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9 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

 We are going to have to start some serious retaliation every time one of these idiots kills people in the name of Allah.

This wouldn't slow down ISIS in the least, in fact it's exactly the response they'd like to trigger, (their whole movement is based around a prophecy of a global holy war whose ground zero is Syria to Europe)

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7 minutes ago, silentbob1272 said:

Especially if the murders are refugees.

At the very least we're seeing the different results with different approaches:

The United States and Canada are letting in a fairly small number of Syrian refugees but they are highly vetted. The intention here is that the refugees won't be going back home and will be settling down in their new countries. Granted, some people here are losing their minds of this anyway.

Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon are letting in massive amounts of refugees but are keeping them in refugee camps and they have let it be known that they're all going back home to Syria after the civil war is over. So, the refugees are kept safe from the immediate danger but the host countries are not beholden to them for the long term.

The EU is letting in a massive amount of refugees, are not bothering to vet them, and seem keen to let them settle. The socio-political chaos that has swept the continent afterward speaks for itself.

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12 minutes ago, Worzone said:

well The current plan of smiling them too death isn't too effective either

Well unless your willing to wage extermination on a particular region, the only way to beat them is to keep isolating them. Their unlikely to say "Well they matched our ferocity, I guess we'll back down now". At this point these are hardened mofos who've been fighting in the most volitile region on earth for the better part of a decade now. They arent going to be intimidated by advanced tech like we could the Taliban and Iraqi army, in fact they seem to be eager for the chance.

In the meantime thier still killing fellow Muslims at a 100:1 ratio, at some point that's going to reach a breaking point as long as we don't give them the chance to paint us as the bad guys.

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1 hour ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Mass genocide, mass refugee migration, improper vetting in countries taking on refugees, this is a sad state of affairs.  We definitely learned a lesson we already knew from history, we could have stopped a lot of this.  But this has happened on our watch, it creates a terrible legacy under our leadership that will not go unnoticed by future generations.  

Yeah sadly Germany is not long for being anything but a memory. What could have possibly motivated Merkel to do that to her country?

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7 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

They have declared war on us. Wars are won when one side surrenders. Collateral damage occurs in wars, so far all the collateral damage has been on our side.  We have to punish Arab nations in some way that will convince the Arab nations, the good Arabs, to crack down on the Jihadis with such force as to convince civilian populations to identify and turn against them.   Islam must evolve, as Christianity has done, to do away with the archaic rules of war . Mosques must be reformed and modernized.  Most Arabs have not had access to the internet and some have not seen international TV. They believe what they hear in the mosques and local media.  

I assume your solution to this is to turn the region into glass.  It is not like we didnt help destabilize the region for the past several decades or anything. 

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5 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

They have declared war on us. Wars are won when one side surrenders. Collateral damage occurs in wars, so far all the collateral damage has been on our side.  We have to punish Arab nations in some way that will convince the Arab nations, the good Arabs, to crack down on the Jihadis with such force as to convince civilian populations to identify and turn against them.   Islam must evolve, as Christianity has done, to do away with the archaic rules of war . Mosques must be reformed and modernized.  Most Arabs have not had access to the internet and some have not seen international TV. They believe what they hear in the mosques and local media.  

Let's invade and occupy more of their countries and kill their women and children with drones. That will pacify them.

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14 hours ago, HMFIC said:

They have declared war on us. Wars are won when one side surrenders. Collateral damage occurs in wars, so far all the collateral damage has been on our side.  We have to punish Arab nations in some way that will convince the Arab nations, the good Arabs, to crack down on the Jihadis with such force as to convince civilian populations to identify and turn against them.   Islam must evolve, as Christianity has done, to do away with the archaic rules of war . Mosques must be reformed and modernized.  Most Arabs have not had access to the internet and some have not seen international TV. They believe what they hear in the mosques and local media.  

Not sure if you mean the West by "our side" but by far far far far far far far the number of collateral lives lost in this struggle have been Muslims in the Middle East. Its not even close and they dont even limit it to that region. Among the attacks yesterday (likely Allepo lashback as Gritz pointed out) was a mosque in Switzerland (Trump has already declared this one a terror attack)

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3 hours ago, Worzone said:

Or the fellow muslims of the middle east will give in to the pressures of caliphate that we either could not or would not stop and have proven themselves capable of waging a world wide war with the west. These middle eastern countries will have a decision to make, give in and join the Caliphate or fight back against fellow muslims hand in hand with the infidels. Ill let you decide which one of those is more likely if we dont stamp out Isis sooner rather than later.

So what do we do? Put boots back on the ground. Step up our already very extensive bombing campaign? Do we do what HMFIC is not so subtley suggesting and take retributitive hostages? Cause that's just going to make it way way worse

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8 hours ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Let's invade and occupy more of their countries and kill their women and children with drones. That will pacify them.

You've been very vocal for a long time in condemning what we have done, and preaching of what we should not do. Just for the **** of it. Offer your solution for scrutiny. What should we do? How would you handle this if God forbid, you were president?

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4 hours ago, atl falcon 89 said:

So what do we do? Put boots back on the ground. Step up our already very extensive bombing campaign? Do we do what HMFIC is not so subtley suggesting and take retributitive hostages? Cause that's just going to make it way way worse

Then you answer your own question. So what do we do? It is exceedingly easy to back seat drive and Monday morning quarterback. What is your humane yet effective solution to fighting a war with no death or destruction involved?

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'THEY ARE MERKEL'S DEAD!' 

German far-right blames Angela Merkel’s open-door migrant policy for Berlin truck attack by refugee

 

GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel is facing a backlash after 12 people were killed when a “refugee” ploughed through innocent revellers at a Christmas market in a truck.

The country’s far-right leaders have blasted the chancellor’s “open-door” immigration policy for sparking the attack in Berlin.

“These are Merkel’s dead,” Marcus Pretzell, chairman of the Alternative for Germany party in the western state of North Rhine-Westphalia, posted on Twitter.

But Ralf Stegner, the vice chairman of the Social Democrats, hit back that his tweet was “unbelievable and disgusting!”

Merkel – who attended an award ceremony to celebrate the International Day of Migrants the day of the attack – said she was “shocked and shaken” by the tragedy.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2440378/german-far-right-and-security-experts-blame-angela-merkels-open-door-migrant-policy-for-berlin-truck-attack-by-refugee/

 

While I agree the tweet was provocative. Why was it "unbelievable and disgusting"? Given Merkels history on refugees and asylum seekers, how is this opinion not valid?

This is not a rhetorical question. I'm asking opinions how, if anyone has agreed with her position in the past, can she not now be held accountable for the environment that Germany finds itself in?

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