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December Hawks thread

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2 hours ago, Amos said:

On a side note, our friend Al Horford bricked an open layup at the buzzer last night and cost Boston the game against Houston. 

 

The same Horford that would have this team winning games instead of 6 point at home howard?

 

Lets get real Horford is better than anybody on this Hawks team right now. He missed a layup at the end, it happens. How many points did he have last night? How many did Howard have? Did Bazemore even hit a shot all night? I lost count

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1 hour ago, Forever Julian said:

 

The same Horford that would have this team winning games instead of 6 point at home howard?

 

Lets get real Horford is better than anybody on this Hawks team right now. He missed a layup at the end, it happens. How many points did he have last night? How many did Howard have? Did Bazemore even hit a shot all night? I lost count

Bwahahahahaha.. o you're serious? 

Lololololololololol

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2 minutes ago, TheTrue7 said:

Bwahahahahaha.. o you're serious? 

Lololololololololol

 

How many poor runs like this did the Hawks have with Horford playing?

 

Horford for sure would have put up more than 6 points at home last night.

 

Howard is a team killer, and has been one with every team he has ever played for going all the way back to his time with SACA as a kid downtown. He always bought into his hype, and he was always lazy. Horford, admiringly undersized, has always been twice to the player even when Howard was at his best because he knows the fundamentals of the game better.

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3 minutes ago, Forever Julian said:

 

How many poor runs like this did the Hawks have with Horford playing?

 

Horford for sure would have put up more than 6 points at home last night.

 

Howard is a team killer, and has been one with every team he has ever played for going all the way back to his time with SACA as a kid downtown. He always bought into his hype, and he was always lazy. Horford, admiringly undersized, has always been twice to the player even when Howard was at his best because he knows the fundamentals of the game better.

How many games has horford missed this year? 

And horford has always been soft as charmin.. admiringly undersized? Bwahahahahaha if he understood fundamentals why doesn't he know how to box out?

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8 minutes ago, TheTrue7 said:

How many games has horford missed this year? 

And horford has always been soft as charmin.. admiringly undersized? Bwahahahahaha if he understood fundamentals why doesn't he know how to box out?

He's undersized for the role. This will lead to some issues with spacing, but he plays the role fine.

 

As far as missing Games. Horford has never missed a match he played in. Howard was on the floor last night and he missed the match:lol: You seem reticent about the central point though. Every team howard has played for has fallen apart due to him. Do you really believe this run of poor games happens under Horford right now?

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2 minutes ago, Forever Julian said:

He's undersized for the role. This will lead to some issues with spacing, but he plays the role fine.

 

As far as missing Games. Horford has never missed a match he played in. Howard was on the floor last night and he missed the match:lol: You seem reticent about the central point though. Every team howard has played for has fallen apart due to him. Do you really believe this run of poor games happens under Horford right now?

So you must have missed all the playoff games where horford was OWNED by Tristan.. or as you refer to "missing the matches".. LOLOLOLOL 

but to answer your question, I'm not even sure al is playing during these games because as I've pointed out, he's missed half the season so far.. and you know, he may tear his pec again.... 

add to all this, he's averaging 2 more points and half the boards Dwight is.. o and also, he didn't want to be here.. let that soak in.. he turned down more money to walk.. 

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19 minutes ago, TheTrue7 said:

So you must have missed all the playoff games where horford was OWNED by Tristan.. or as you refer to "missing the matches".. LOLOLOLOL 

but to answer your question, I'm not even sure al is playing during these games because as I've pointed out, he's missed half the season so far.. and you know, he may tear his pec again.... 

add to all this, he's averaging 2 more points and half the boards Dwight is.. o and also, he didn't want to be here.. let that soak in.. he turned down more money to walk.. 

No doubt those playoff games were bad, but lets get real you don't think the same thing will happen come playoff time this time around?

 

This team will do good getting the 8th seed with Howard. The numbers aside Horford, would do a lot more to help the offense than Howard does. The passes, the spacing, the awareness. It was all much better under the Horford hawks. All this hawks team is either a Millsap shot or a schroder shuffle play. That is the entire offense.

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32 minutes ago, Forever Julian said:

No doubt those playoff games were bad, but lets get real you don't think the same thing will happen come playoff time this time around?

 

This team will do good getting the 8th seed with Howard. The numbers aside Horford, would do a lot more to help the offense than Howard does. The passes, the spacing, the awareness. It was all much better under the Horford hawks. All this hawks team is either a Millsap shot or a schroder shuffle play. That is the entire offense.

And how far do you think Boston will get with al? 

And to answer the question, no I don't think we'll get owned on the boards as bad as we did with our previous "admiringly undersized and under appreciated" center.. 

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I like the line up change.  Korver should come off the bench but we need new juice.  Thabo had a good game.  Baze was horrible.  We have a mess.  Bud needs to concentrate on coaching and we need a president/GM ASAP.  

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13 minutes ago, usmcdirtybird said:

I like the line up change.  Korver should come off the bench but we need new juice.  Thabo had a good game.  Baze was horrible.  We have a mess.  Bud needs to concentrate on coaching and we need a president/GM ASAP.  

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This team is completely broken because the wings that Bud wants as starters NEED a versatile big and not one that is just a rebounder and has no offensive game outside of within two feet.

It's not coincidental that Kyle did better off the bench and its not because of a different PG, it's because he was able to feed off of versatile bigs, which is what he did in the past two seasons. I suspect Kent would do a bit better as well.

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This was a great summary from this writer on our Hawks.

 

 

Three reasons why the Atlanta Hawks are in a major struggle

 

by Tariq SalehFreelance Level 3Disclaimer

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The Atlanta Hawks began the season with a 9-2 record and in the process became the first team to beat the defending champions the Cleveland Cavaliers this year, snapping an 11-game losing streak to their opponents.

Things were looking good in Atlanta and that win showed that they may finally be ready to compete with the best team in the east and maybe become their biggest challengers.

The last 11 games, however, has proved that theory completely wrong. The Hawks have lost 10 of those encounters and are currently on a seven-game losing skid.

 

They were blown out by the Detroit Pistons by 36 points on Friday and followed that up with a 44-point loss to the Toronto Raptors on Saturday.

The wheels have come off in ATL and here are three reasons why:

Shooting

During the slump, Atlanta has shot the ball extremely poorly. In the early part of the campaign, they ran the pick-an-roll to perfection with Dennis Schroder and Dwight Howard.

But opponents soon figured that out and have cut off that option, forcing the Hawks to stand and shoot jumpers. They are 26th in the NBA in three-point shooting.


“They are really forcing us to do different things out of the pick and roll,” Howard said. “Teams are rolling three or four bodies at me when I roll to the basket. They are forcing our guards to make plays. It is a little adjustment we have to fix.”

In their back-to-back defeats to the Pistons and Raptors, they shot under 40 percent from the field and 25 percent from three-point range. They were a combined 13 of 52 from beyond the arc.

One of the main reasons is due to the stagnant offence that they've been running, which leads us onto the next point.

Ball movement

During Mike Budenholzer's time in Atlanta, the team has prided itself on moving the ball and always giving up good shots for great shots.


It is a type of offence that coach Bud brought over from the San Antonio Spurs where he was an assistant to Gregg Popovich.

Their ability to share the basketball and always look for the open man has been a joy to watch in the last two years, but it now appears that's gone out of the window.

Schroder, who was promoted to the starting point guard spot after Jeff Teague was traded, is keeping hold of the ball for too long and eating up valuable seconds off the shot-clock leading to bad shots.

They've abandoned the brand of basketball that has made them successful and their play, which was so easy on the eye, has turned ugly.

 

Leadership

Something the Hawks have lacked for a number of years is a true superstar. Instead, they have a roster made up of a number of good players and they always look to win games through a collective effort.

However, moments like these is when a superstar steps forward and leads. Howard is the highest paid player on the team earning $23 million a year, but he's far from a leader.

Their latest loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder last night gave them an example of this. Russell Westbrook secured his sixth straight triple-double and OKC's sixth consecutive win.

He is making his teammates better by going out and playing with energy every single night and that's what the Hawks are badly missing right now.

Howard, Schroder, Kent Bazemore and Paul Millsap are all very good players, but they're not the type of players who will take over a game and dominate a la Westbrook.

Of course, Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins are superstars who are putting up big numbers but still losing games in New Orleans and Sacramento respectively, but if either player was on the Hawks it would translate to wins.

Things are looking bleak in ATL, but luckily for them, it's still early in the campaign and they've got time to put things right and they must start by getting back to playing their style.

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I need Shroder, Howard, and Millsap to carry the load and start scoring relentlessly. Baze and Korver are just roleplayers. Shroder needs to get teams to respect his ability as a slasher and a jump shooter. I'd like to see him take about 20-25 shots a game. Let Howard and Millsap bang in the paint. That should open up Baze and Korver more for wide open shots. But the offense should run through DS17, DH8, and PM4.

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Horford PROVED he wasn't taking the Hawks anywhere. Not physical enough. Poor Sap had to do EVERYTHING in the paint for the Hawks.  

The problem with the Hawks now is they surrounded Howard with a bunch of scrups passing for starters, who can't shoot the ball. Hawks ownership think they slick. They ain't trying to pay anybody big money...

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2 hours ago, slickgadawg said:

Horford PROVED he wasn't taking the Hawks anywhere. Not physical enough. Poor Sap had to do EVERYTHING in the paint for the Hawks.  

The problem with the Hawks now is they surrounded Howard with a bunch of scrups passing for starters, who can't shoot the ball. Hawks ownership think they slick. They ain't trying to pay anybody big money...

There's more than meets the eye than the surface of just “refusal to pay players” in the NBA unlike the Braves issue in which they probably need Liberty Media to sell the team.

In the NBA, there are salary caps that have a loophole that is easily exploited. The catch is the players already have to have been on the team and not just for a little while. If they have been, you can sign them to the max that their caphold holds and not have it count against your cap at all.

Ressler said he won't pay the tax but he has no problems with exceeding the cap...in areas the Hawks can. It's not like he can go straight to NBA control and DEMAND that there be more loopholes with the salary cap.

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22 minutes ago, VoiceofReason95 said:

There's more than meets the eye than the surface of just “refusal to pay players” in the NBA unlike the Braves issue in which they probably need Liberty Media to sell the team.

In the NBA, there are salary caps that have a loophole that is easily exploited. The catch is the players already have to have been on the team and not just for a little while. If they have been, you can sign them to the max that their caphold holds and not have it count against your cap at all.

Ressler said he won't pay the tax but he has no problems with exceeding the cap...in areas the Hawks can. It's not like he can go straight to NBA control and DEMAND that there be more loopholes with the salary cap.

But for some reason, Cleveland can manage to get around that cap. Another thing, the Hawks, when they DO have the money, throw it at the wrong players. Baze should've never got that kind of money. Dennis either. They make bad moves...

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23 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

But for some reason, Cleveland can manage to get around that cap. Another thing, the Hawks, when they DO have the money, throw it at the wrong players. Baze should've never got that kind of money. Dennis either. They make bad moves...

Kyrie has been there a while.

Let me add another loophole, trades. Love was a trade that had a contract that had a high caphold.

And no, Dennis isn't a bad move unless he doesn't take a step forward. Baze was and should have been allowed to walk. Signing Eric Gordon would've been a better move.

I mean Dennis is not getting the extension money yet. He's still getting rookie money, 2.5ish million. And if his performance stays about the same with the team performing better, it'd get at a minimum......the money he was given. Be real. This is not 1996.

Committing to Dennis is a slight step back but a potential step forward in the long haul.

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15 hours ago, VoiceofReason95 said:

Kyrie has been there a while.

Let me add another loophole, trades. Love was a trade that had a contract that had a high caphold.

And no, Dennis isn't a bad move unless he doesn't take a step forward. Baze was and should have been allowed to walk. Signing Eric Gordon would've been a better move.

I mean Dennis is not getting the extension money yet. He's still getting rookie money, 2.5ish million. And if his performance stays about the same with the team performing better, it'd get at a minimum......the money he was given. Be real. This is not 1996.

Committing to Dennis is a slight step back but a potential step forward in the long haul.

Whatever. Nothing against what you said because you are correct, but the Fowls have had since 1970 to win a championship. I'm almost done with Georgia sports. Every year, its the same thing...

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