Jump to content

Fake news...a warning.


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 1.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

55 minutes ago, atl falcon 89 said:

If NPR has any left bias it's more insuferably cultural than political. 

It'll sound something like "And when we come back from the break (of soft indi jazz) we will talk to Winfrey Moonbeam a Hopi Indian lesbian of color who makes macrome necklaces to raise awareness for people who have Cynaphobia, a fear of the color blue. Your listening to All things Considered on NPR(read in the most buttery of narrative tones) :ninja:

It freaks me out when they play techno or hip hop beats. I don't go to mcdonalds for tacos. Stay in your lane. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, atl falcon 89 said:

This is the most simple black and white shade of secondhand bull.....

Have you ever listened to Rush? It's a hour of him raging at some liberal straw argument he tells you about at the beginning of every show, so he can control the angle of the tantrum. There is no NPR or PBS equivalent, they don't allow it.

Public media is 80% book reviews, British murder mysteties and Sesame Street. And their news segments tend to be pretty hard.

It's also more privately than publicy funded which I think has been posted on this board only a few hundred times.

There's a strange phenomenon occurring among the left which makes them incapable of seeing liberal bias. I know people who swear that Jon Stewart and Colbert were/are moderates, and Obama is center-right. MSNBC isn't as bad as Fox News.. amirite?

Okay... no one is as bad as Rush, but NPR is strongly biased to the left. Not as bad as buzzfeed, but let's be honest, even sesame street has gone full PC. Just compare it to show in the 70's/80's -the ones now rated adults ONLY.

Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, unbelievable said:

There's a strange phenomenon occurring among the left which makes them incapable of seeing liberal bias. I know people who swear that Jon Stewart and Colbert were/are moderates, and Obama is center-right. MSNBC isn't as bad as Fox News.. amirite?

Okay... no one is as bad as Rush, but NPR is strongly biased to the left. Not as bad as buzzfeed, but let's be honest, even sesame street has gone full PC. Just compare it to show in the 70's/80's -the ones now rated adults ONLY.

Your talking out your azz. What specific programs on public television or radio do you consider far left? And having a mini freak out cause Big Bird said it was okay for little Jimmy across the street to have two mommies doesn't count

Link to post
Share on other sites

As I said culturally left sure. PBS is all about the diversity bus or whatever and even most of that is pretty mild and should be largely inoffensive to all but your uncle Jimbo. Hard news wise they are leaps and bounds ahead of the 24 hour networks and Internet blogs, they certainly haven't been caught making **** up like a lot of sources that are taken as credible in these parts.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, unbelievable said:

There's a strange phenomenon occurring among the left which makes them incapable of seeing liberal bias. I know people who swear that Jon Stewart and Colbert were/are moderates, and Obama is center-right. MSNBC isn't as bad as Fox News.. amirite?

Okay... no one is as bad as Rush, but NPR is strongly biased to the left. Not as bad as buzzfeed, but let's be honest, even sesame street has gone full PC. Just compare it to show in the 70's/80's -the ones now rated adults ONLY.

A little more of this early

10 classic Sesame Street moments we wouldn't show today's kids

maybe a little less of this later

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, silentbob1272 said:

A little more of this early

10 classic Sesame Street moments we wouldn't show today's kids

maybe a little less of this later

 

Jesus H. Popsicle sticks, and we ask ourselves why sb?  

The left wants all these people sitting at home or maybe just part time jobs so they can find themselves.   If only they would teach these kids what the real problems are in the country?  This is all good and well until their lights go out or their shyter backs up and they have no clue how to fix it.  Most of them have no brains, they are mindless zombies, I think it is time to get them in trade school where they can do some good.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Jesus H. Popsicle sticks, and we ask ourselves why sb?  

The left wants all these people sitting at home or maybe just part time jobs so they can find themselves.   If only they would teach these kids what the real problems are in the country?  This is all good and well until their lights go out or their shyter backs up and they have no clue how to fix it.  Most of them have no brains, they are mindless zombies, I think it is time to get them in trade school where they can do some good.  

I was talking about this with my wife the other day. Not everyone is cut out for college. That's not a shot at any person's intelligence. It's just to say, some are better students than others. We used to admire tradesman that worked with their hands. Now they are dismissed as uneducated beer swillers who must be protected from their own menial aspirations and have their life decisions made for them by the more enlightened among us.

Trade schools should absolutely be pushed and promoted again. How did we get to the point that plumbers and carpenters are looked down upon by baristas and customer service representatives ( i.e. coffee jockeys and cashiers)?

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, silentbob1272 said:

I was talking about this with my wife the other day. Not everyone is cut out for college. That's not a shot at any person's intelligence. It's just to say, some are better students than others. We used to admire tradesman that worked with their hands. Now they are dismissed as uneducated beer swillers who must be protected from their own menial aspirations and have their life decisions made for them by the more enlightened among us.

Trade schools should absolutely be pushed and promoted again. How did we get to the point that plumbers and carpenters are looked down upon by baristas and customer service representatives ( i.e. coffee jockeys and cashiers)?

 

I sincerely believe this.  It is an elitists attitude for kids who feel they are owed something.  When they themselves have no skills or common sense themselves.  It's high time we shake up these snowflakes and get them back to the real world.  There is still hope for them.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/24/2016 at 9:30 AM, FalconsInstitutionalSize said:

Makes thread about fake news posts article from corporate owned media that has been caught fabricating news, good work.

 

Lets not forget that a large part of it is owned by Carlos Slim. You know the man who makes money by illegal immigrants taking money out of our economy and sending it home. Nothing to see here though.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/22/2016 at 11:10 AM, Leon Troutsky said:

Because there was a huge proliferation of these stories this election cycle.  We haven't seen the kind of outright lies and fake news...spread by surrogates of a presidential campaign and even by a major party candidate himself...so prolific and central during a presidential campaign.  And it's concerning because now the majority of people get most of their political news from Facebook.  It's no longer on the fringe...fake news has become mainstream and, again, even promoted and spread by a major party presidential campaign.

That's what's different.  

I know right. We had them claiming Putin ran the right, Brietbart, InfoWars. They told us Trump had no chance and about 30,000,000 people were racist, sexist, homophobes, xenophobes that would put the left in camps. Then they would march immigrants south in the Republican version of the Trail of Tears.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/23/2016 at 8:01 AM, Leon Troutsky said:

I'm aware.  But look at how conservatives have attacked NPR anyway.  They already call media outlets "state run media" and "state controlled media".  A new government funded media outlet isn't going to be credible with them.  

I do not think they are state run but more co-opted. It is more political theater than anything. This is why you see the talking points consistent across platforms a lot of times. Like all the sudden so many people beating the Fake News drum. These institutions are less about covering the news than they are controlling the overton window.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Halsey. said:

There's no such thing as a news outlet that will be credible for everyone.

An ideal solution would be to have 2 or more public news outlets, with a conservative at the head of one and a liberal at the head of the other.

but there's no perfect solution that will please everyone.

At the head of every news org should be an impartial ceo, or at least one that allows fair and unbiased reporting for both sides.  Just pitting one org against a competitor is what we have now.  I remeber the day when all the station and news orgs were fair.  I would say a lot of this started with the advent of 24 hours news cycle and ratings. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's a great discussion about the problems with this new fake news stuff:

So when, three days before the election, a fake news site posted: “FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead,” the story could go viral, getting 560,000 shares on Facebook alone. Similar bogus stories were shared millions of times during the campaign. But this didn’t happen in a vacuum: Such stories fit easily into a media ecosystem that embraced an Alex Jones.

***

As a part of the conservative media I had a front row seat to the flood of emails, tweets and Facebook posts that passed on stories about “black crime,” the people murdered by Hillary Clinton, and lurid stories about the “true nature of Islam.” In July, when Breitbart News published a story reporting that an anti-Trump protester had been paid $3,500 to disrupt a Trump rally, it was shared by dozens of listeners. When I pointed out to some of them that the story was clearly bogus, (Breitbart cited a report on ABC News, but the link was to a clearly fake website) many simply refused to accept the information. In the alternative reality bubble of the right, such stories circulated with a furious velocity, often immune to any attempt to correct the record. 

Now, one of the icons of this alt-reality media, sits at the right hand of the new president. The self-described Leninist, who wants to “destroy the state,” has bragged that under his leadership Breitbart had become, in his own words, a “platform for the alt-right," a movement associated with the darker corners of the right, including white nationalism and anti-Semitism. Under Bannon, Breitbart and its satellites have not hesitated to use their clout to attack other conservatives who have been insufficiently enthusiastic about embracing Trumpism. Specifically, Bannon declared it was his mission to destroy Speaker Paul Ryan and, even after the public detente between Trump and Ryan, his old website continues to relentlessly attack the conservative speaker.

The entire article is worth a good read:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-conservative-media-charlie-sykes-214483

Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Here's a great discussion about the problems with this new fake news stuff:

 

 

Yeah I briefly read through that. Clearly they are still trying the same slanderous attempts that failed during the campaign. Politico by a never Trumper LOL! Yeah I can dismiss that opinion piece. Most people probably do not buy the fake news that includes this article by the never Trumper.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Leon Troutsky said:

^^^Continues living in the bubble of fake news that the article highlights while calling credible sources "fake".

LOL I know you are not telling someone they live in a bubble. This is too funny. What bubble is it exactly that I live in? What is that bubble made of? Is it the one that lead me to riot in the streets and defend it? Is it the one that lead me to say 98% chance Hillary wins? Is it the one that forced me to say Libya and Syria were bad ideas? Is it the one that lead me to say you like your Doctors, you can keep them? Is it the one that lead me to say that ACA was a giant screw job wrote by the insurance companies? Where is my bubble again?

Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Sobeit said:

LOL I know you are not telling someone they live in a bubble. This is too funny. What bubble is it exactly that I live in? What is that bubble made of? Is it the one that lead me to riot in the streets and defend it? Is it the one that lead me to say 98% chance Hillary wins? Is it the one that forced me to say Libya and Syria were bad ideas? Is it the one that lead me to say you like your Doctors, you can keep them? Is it the one that lead me to say that ACA was a giant screw job wrote by the insurance companies? Where is my bubble again?

It's not you Sobeit, but someone on this board is bubble wrapped so to speak...and we all know who that is

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, silentbob1272 said:

I was talking about this with my wife the other day. Not everyone is cut out for college. That's not a shot at any person's intelligence. It's just to say, some are better students than others. We used to admire tradesman that worked with their hands. Now they are dismissed as uneducated beer swillers who must be protected from their own menial aspirations and have their life decisions made for them by the more enlightened among us.

Trade schools should absolutely be pushed and promoted again. How did we get to the point that plumbers and carpenters are looked down upon by baristas and customer service representatives ( i.e. coffee jockeys and cashiers)?

 

Because baristas and customer service representatives haven't (yet) had a plumber or carpenter tell them to figure out how to fix their own ****.

Perhaps a general strike against elitist bourgeoisie liberals is in order.

Link to post
Share on other sites

R

On ‎11‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 0:14 PM, atl falcon 89 said:

As I said culturally left sure. PBS is all about the diversity bus or whatever and even most of that is pretty mild and should be largely inoffensive to all but your uncle Jimbo. Hard news wise they are leaps and bounds ahead of the 24 hour networks and Internet blogs, they certainly haven't been caught making **** up like a lot of sources that are taken as credible in these parts.

Rick steves is constantly soft promoting European socialism.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Using fake news against opposing views

What worries me the most about fake news, isn’t that it’s fake, it’s that it’s being used by the left to try to silence opposing views.

Take for example a story reported by the Los Angeles Times that included a professor who put together a Google document of “false, misleading, clickbait-y and satirical ‘news sources’” to help people “cleanse their newsfeeds of misinformation.”

The only problem with the list, was it included real news sites of which the professor simply didn’t agree. Conservative blogs, including Red State and The Blaze, were on the list, as was more centrist, but GOP-leaning Independent Journal Review (IJR). None of those sites are fake — they often just peddle in the real news purposely not covered by the mainstream media.

“Not all of these sources are always or inherently problematic, neither are all of them fake or false,” the professor, Melissa Zimdars, at Merrimack College in Massachusetts told the Times. ” … They should be considered in conjunction with other news/info sources due to their tendency to rely on clickbait headlines or Facebook descriptions, etc.”

So, just like MSNBC, Huffington Post, Slate, Mother Jones, and ThinkProgress — all partisan left outlets, which often use exaggeration and hyperbole to emphasize their point — which weren’t included on her list.

CNN’s media columnist Brian Stelter also has warned about “fake news,” but in his diatribe, he included right-leaning Fox News and alt-right website Breitbart in the mix.

 

“Breitbart is anti-media. Much of Fox News is anti-media. Fake news websites and some right wing blogs are anti-media. These outlets provide a different audience with a different set of facts about the world. But too often what they’re really selling is opinion and conspiracy theory masquerading as fact. These sites, these outlets, they present themselves as the opposite of traditional news sources, the antidote to mainstream media,” he said.

What he’s right about is there does need to be an antidote to the mainstream media. Because often what he — and other newsrooms around the country — view as “opinion and conspiracy theory” are all too often real news stories that simply don’t fit their agenda.

The possibility that Donald Trump could become president? CNN never had a map that could get him to 270 electoral votes. Respected pollster FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver got chastised the week leading up to the election because he had Mr. Trump’s chances at about 30 percent — far higher than any of the broadcast networks or other pollsters who engaged in group-think.

Paid protesters are another example.

We know, after an undercover video was released by conservative group Project Veritas, that two Democratic operatives had to step down from their positions because it looked as though they were trying to hire protesters to incite violence at Mr. Trump’s rallies.

These two men didn’t lose their jobs because they were innocent — or because the videos were “highly edited” like the mainstream media charged. Clearly something was going on there. But only right-wing outlets (or “fake,” “anti-media” blogs) covered it, with barely a mention at CNN, NPR or any of the broadcast news networks.

When Mr. Trump said during a presidential debate that protesters were hired and told to do “bad things” at his rallies, PolitiFact even admitted that “too much remains unknown to put it on the Truth-O-Meter.”

So it seems like it would be something investigative journalists would want to, well, investigate.

But not according to Washington Post reporter Phillip Bump.

When Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse asked on Twitter after the election, why wasn’t there more reporting on the anti-Trump protests — like who they were organized by and if they were paid for — Mr. Bump took offense.

“Sasse’s question is a bit like asking why we don’t have more reporting on the fact that the Moon is preparing a superweapon with which to annex Antarctica,” Mr. Bump wrote, in an article titled: “Sen. Sasse here are some answers to your questions about ‘paid rioting.’”

When confronted on Twitter about his lack of intellectual curiosity from a reader, Mr. Bump responded: “Allow me to reply in a way you’ll grasp: derp, derp, derp.”

So yes, we need an antidote to this sort of media — and that often comes in the likes of the Federalist — who did an epic take-down of Mr. Bump last week — or The Washington Times, Washington Free-Beacon, The Daily Caller, and, yes, Breitbart.

None of it is fake — it’s merely doing the job the mainstream media refuses to do.

Link to post
Share on other sites

What he’s right about is there does need to be an antidote to the mainstream media. Because often what he — and other newsrooms around the country — view as “opinion and conspiracy theory” are all too often real news stories that simply don’t fit their agenda.

The possibility that Donald Trump could become president? CNN never had a map that could get him to 270 electoral votes. Respected pollster FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver got chastised the week leading up to the election because he had Mr. Trump’s chances at about 30 percent — far higher than any of the broadcast networks or other pollsters who engaged in group-think.

Both of these claims are false.  This is the problem with the entire article...it makes false claims while trying to undermine the media for (supposedly) making false claims.  

I watched the CNN coverage extensively and after the Comey letter, when Clinton's numbers were declining, they showed several maps where Trump had a credible path to victory.  They qualified that it was unlikely...and it was unlikely based on the evidence we had...but they presented those.

Likewise, CNN called the recount movement in WI/MI/PA a "conspiracy theory" and cited Silver's analysis specifically.  I can't think of any example of them calling something that is true as a "conspiracy theory".  Birtherism?  False.  Ted Cruz's father being behind the JFK assassination?  False.

Maybe you can give an example of CNN (or any other media outlet) dismissing something as a conspiracy theory that was, in fact, true.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...