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15 hours ago, Jesus said:

Coach Quinn, can you explain why Paul Worrilow a UDFA middle linebacker who lost his starting job, is blitzing out of the SAM spot while Vic Beasley a highly regarded top 10 pick who was being groomed for the SAM role was on the sidelines?

Oh you want softball questions about no huddle offenses....no problem. You seem to be making great decisions. Tyson Jackson? Great DE.

Mike Person, starting C 

Andy Levitre, starting LG a week before season starts, regardless of having the whole offseason to work that out

that was enough for me 

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Translation: By completely overhauling the offensive philosophy when I merely needed to tweak it, I've made way for a bunch of light in the azz overthinkers trying to implement a scheme that doesn't fit our franchise QB's best attributes. Add on to that fact our defense is young as h*ll at key positions and you get an offensive gameplan that will make your average fan bash his head against the nearest wall as they watch Matt Ryan's best years swirl down the drain.

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12 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said:

No they didn't. That's not even close to being reality. The Atlanta Falcons have never had an offense that opposing teams feared in the Matt Ryan era. I mean seriously? Where do folks get this nonsense from? The Falcons offense has never been one that made opposing teams completely change their game plan just because they're afraid of getting blown off the field. 2007 Patriots? 2013 Broncos? 2001 Rams? 1999 Rams? 1998 Vikings? Yes. 2012 Falcons or any other year Falcons since 2008? No. No. No. Never. Just not true. Why? Because teams don't fear Matt Ryan and they never have and they never will. Matt Ryan is a slightly improved version of Alex Smith. That is all he has ever been and all he will ever be. That's not Kyle Shanahan's fault.

 

This is stupid af. So if 32 teams field 32 offenses per year, you're saying out of those 640 offenses fielded in the past 20 years only 5 were feared or game-planned around?

Sure thing.

"Teams don't fear Matt Ryan"

Professional athletes don't "fear" anyone. Feel free to ask them.

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1 hour ago, JerseyNo12 said:

That's not just recency bias, or "recency effect" as we call it in psychology. It's also primacy effect, because guys are recalling 2012 (the height of Mike Smith's tenure), ignoring 2013 and 2014, and then recalling Quinn's first season (recency effect).

With the primacy effect, people are more likely to recall items or events at the beginning of a list or period of time because of people's tendency to place more importance on things that are "primary" or came first.

In the last 5 seasons (2012-2016), the Falcons had a record of 13-3 (and NFCCG), 4-12, 6-10, 8-8, and currently 0-1. Mike Smith coached 3 of the last five seasons, but some people seemingly only care to recall Mike Smith's last successful season (primacy effect) and Quinn's first season (recency effect) because in people's minds those carry the most weight and are easily recalled from memory.

Logically, it doesn't make sense when building an argument, but this isn't so much about logic but rather about how people process information and store it into memory.

http://psychologydictionary.org/primacy-effect/

Truth of the matter is, this isn't new. People have been complaining about not using the no-huddle enough even when Koetter was here, but since Quinn and Shanahan are here now, they become the new scapegoats. It becomes even more reinforced now that Koetter and Smith are Bucs coaches. The things is, the Bucs didn't use much no-huddle in that game, if at all.

Thanks Jersey...and I agree, those are great points. 

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Quinn's mouth is moving, Shanahan's words are coming out. Shanahan doesn't like the no huddle. I suspect he doesn't like handing the offense over to Ryan but it might simply be that Shanahan is just so in love with his own scheme he doesn't want to make any changes. Whatever the reason, I firmly believe Quinn is just parroting what Shanahan has told him about the no huddle.  

While the no huddle isn't a magic bullet, it is a very nice weapon and using it more would improve the offense. The idea that we have a coaching staff so married to their scheme that they're willing to neglect a huge tool they could be using is a problem. It's that kind of thinking that gets coaching staffs fired. 

Quinn has yet to learn everything it takes to be a head coach. One of the most important lessons is that no one member of your staff is more important than the organization. It's why you don't put your friends in positions of great responsibility. Quinn is incredibly loyal to Shanahan. When we hired Quinn he let it be known that he and Shanahan were a package deal. All of this has be concerned that Quinn is blinded by his loyalty to Shanahan. Quinn refuses to even admit that changes need to be made to the scheme. 

When your OC refuses to use a weapon you have because he doesn't like it or it's not part of his scheme, you have a problem. When your HC is so loyal to the OC that he backs him up, you have a bigger problem.

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40 minutes ago, Striker42 said:

Quinn's mouth is moving, Shanahan's words are coming out. Shanahan doesn't like the no huddle. I suspect he doesn't like handing the offense over to Ryan but it might simply be that Shanahan is just so in love with his own scheme he doesn't want to make any changes. Whatever the reason, I firmly believe Quinn is just parroting what Shanahan has told him about the no huddle.  

While the no huddle isn't a magic bullet, it is a very nice weapon and using it more would improve the offense. The idea that we have a coaching staff so married to their scheme that they're willing to neglect a huge tool they could be using is a problem. It's that kind of thinking that gets coaching staffs fired. 

Quinn has yet to learn everything it takes to be a head coach. One of the most important lessons is that no one member of your staff is more important than the organization. It's why you don't put your friends in positions of great responsibility. Quinn is incredibly loyal to Shanahan. When we hired Quinn he let it be known that he and Shanahan were a package deal. All of this has be concerned that Quinn is blinded by his loyalty to Shanahan. Quinn refuses to even admit that changes need to be made to the scheme. 

When your OC refuses to use a weapon you have because he doesn't like it or it's not part of his scheme, you have a problem. When your HC is so loyal to the OC that he backs him up, you have a bigger problem.

Except that's not what got said at all...

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1 minute ago, capologist said:

Except that's not what got said at all...

He's saying that they'll use it as a change of pace, which tells me it's not going to be a major part of the offense. It would be like a pitcher with a great curve saying he only likes throwing it a couple times a game as a change of pace. I don't like seeing a coaching staff saying they're not big fans of running the kind of offense their QB is best at. I don't buy the stuff about not having the personnel to run it more often than once or twice a game. 

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49 minutes ago, Striker42 said:

Shanahan doesn't like the no huddle.

People, please.

"A no-huddle, hurry-up offense designed by coordinator Kyle Shanahan and operated by starting quarterback Brian Hoyer proved to be the change of pace the Browns needed to rally from a 24-point halftime deficit and tie the score early in the fourth quarter."

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-quarterback-brian-hoyer-eager-to-implement-more-no-huddle-hurry-up-offense-but-warns-it-can-t-be-relied-on-all-the-time-1.520895

"With an 0-4 record staring them in the Washington Redskins in the face, Kyle Shanahan decided it was time to try something different.

The 0-3 Redskins trailed the Raiders 14-0 late in the first quarter. At that point the offense had mustered just one first down in three possessions. Washington had the ball at its own 20.

Shanahan figured it was time to pull out something they have had in their arsenal since training camp. After talking to head coach Mike Shanahan and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Kyle called for the offense to go in no-huddle mode."

http://realredskins.com/2013/10/02/did-the-no-huddle-save-the-redskins-season/

Saying you can't do something all the time because it takes away from your run looks is not the same as saying you hate something.

This isn't even that hard to look up.

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It is pretty sad that he doesn't want to adjust. We don't have the talent coaching or depth to Greg popovich it and say this is what we run and they adjust to us.. we don't have to run it like the Eagles or chip but this isn't the nfc west we need more that 17-20 points a game. Even for a qtr or something, it's not like it hasn't worked. And this is due to Shanny also because I feel he gets predictable. Why not let Matt go out and thrive in what he does best..

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7 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

People, please.

"A no-huddle, hurry-up offense designed by coordinator Kyle Shanahan and operated by starting quarterback Brian Hoyer proved to be the change of pace the Browns needed to rally from a 24-point halftime deficit and tie the score early in the fourth quarter."

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-quarterback-brian-hoyer-eager-to-implement-more-no-huddle-hurry-up-offense-but-warns-it-can-t-be-relied-on-all-the-time-1.520895

"With an 0-4 record staring them in the Washington Redskins in the face, Kyle Shanahan decided it was time to try something different.

The 0-3 Redskins trailed the Raiders 14-0 late in the first quarter. At that point the offense had mustered just one first down in three possessions. Washington had the ball at its own 20.

Shanahan figured it was time to pull out something they have had in their arsenal since training camp. After talking to head coach Mike Shanahan and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Kyle called for the offense to go in no-huddle mode."

http://realredskins.com/2013/10/02/did-the-no-huddle-save-the-redskins-season/

Saying you can't do something all the time because it takes away from your run looks is not the same as saying you hate something.

This isn't even that hard to look up.

So, Shanahan will run the no huddle but only when he's exhausted all other options? That tells me he doesn't like running it. 

Coordinators fall in love with their own schemes. It's a problem that affects probably 9 out of every 10 coordinators in the NFL. Shanahan loves his scheme and thinks the no huddle takes away from it. Instead of modifying his scheme to take greater advantage of the fact that Ryan runs the no huddle as well as almost anyone, he marginalizes the no huddle in his scheme. 

This is just another example of a coach trying to twist his team to fit his system instead of his system to fit his team. Happens all the time all over the league. 

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Just now, Striker42 said:

So, Shanahan will run the no huddle but only when he's exhausted all other options? That tells me he doesn't like running it. 

Coordinators fall in love with their own schemes. It's a problem that affects probably 9 out of every 10 coordinators in the NFL. Shanahan loves his scheme and thinks the no huddle takes away from it. Instead of modifying his scheme to take greater advantage of the fact that Ryan runs the no huddle as well as almost anyone, he marginalizes the no huddle in his scheme. 

This is just another example of a coach trying to twist his team to fit his system instead of his system to fit his team. Happens all the time all over the league. 

You hear what you want to hear.  Confirmation bias.

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Just now, JDaveG said:

You hear what you want to hear.  Confirmation bias.

Same can be said for you. The fact that your example of Shanahan going to the no huddle was when his team was behind and staring 0-4 in the face isn't a great argument against the idea that Shanahan doesn't like using the no huddle. If he was more willing to incorporate it you'd see him running it as a first option and not last resort.

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2 hours ago, knomercy said:

 

This is stupid af. So if 32 teams field 32 offenses per year, you're saying out of those 640 offenses fielded in the past 20 years only 5 were feared or game-planned around?

Sure thing.

"Teams don't fear Matt Ryan"

Professional athletes don't "fear" anyone. Feel free to ask them.

 

2 hours ago, knomercy said:

Are you illiterate? 

@Knight of God isn't, but apparently you aren't as literate as you think you are because you don't even realize what your own words convey (mathematically speaking) when taken for face value.

When you said "if 32 teams field 32 offenses per year," it can literally be taken as each of the 32 teams are fielding 32 different (implied) offenses a year (or two a game for the regular season). So that's 20,480 offenses over a 20 year period (32 teams x 32 offenses x 20 years).

Don't be so quick to judge others, otherwise you might end up putting your own foot in your mouth.

 

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1 hour ago, Striker42 said:

So, Shanahan will run the no huddle but only when he's exhausted all other options? That tells me he doesn't like running it. 

Coordinators fall in love with their own schemes. It's a problem that affects probably 9 out of every 10 coordinators in the NFL. Shanahan loves his scheme and thinks the no huddle takes away from it. Instead of modifying his scheme to take greater advantage of the fact that Ryan runs the no huddle as well as almost anyone, he marginalizes the no huddle in his scheme. 

This is just another example of a coach trying to twist his team to fit his system instead of his system to fit his team. Happens all the time all over the league. 

And this is another example of someone trying to spin a narrative to fit their agenda of hating on Shanahan.

Other than Chip Kelly, I doubt there is any coach in the NFL that likes running the no-huddle for an extended period of time. Keeping the same personnel on the field during an entire drive is physically taxing on the players (except maybe the QB), and it's just not feasible to keep doing that for an entire game. If you have to keep running a no-huddle then it probably means your team wasn't all that good to begin with and you have to rely on gimmicks to stay competitive. But as we saw with Chip Kelly, it eventually runs its course and defenses will figure it out.

Why is this so hard to understand?

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43 minutes ago, JerseyNo12 said:

 

@Knight of God isn't, but apparently you aren't as literate as you think you are because you don't even realize what your own words convey (mathematically speaking) when taken for face value.

When you said "if 32 teams field 32 offenses per year," it can literally be taken as each of the 32 teams are fielding 32 different (implied) offenses a year (or two a game for the regular season). So that's 20,480 offenses over a 20 year period (32 teams x 32 offenses x 20 years).

Don't be so quick to judge others, otherwise you might end up putting your own foot in your mouth.

 

That's what I didn't get. Thanks for clarify man.

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