xskyx Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 This pass rush has been as effective as a wet noodle since Abe left. Each year, we hear/say "They can scheme for more sacks or pressure" or "They will/can develope these guys into a good rusher" or "It's the coach's fault".. At what point you say F it and just trade picks for someone PROVEN (not someone who is surrounded by talent and produces marginally better)? No, I don't have anyone in mind. No, I don't mean they need to panic and go trade crazy right now. This is just hypothetical, and highly unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Much rather have them trade into the top ten this coming draft and grab a young stud rusher to go with Beasley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Keep the draft picks and just draft a pass rusher ourselves. Brian Cox has been the common denominator the last few years in our pathetic pass rush. Fire him, bring in a new DL coach, and go DE/DT/OLB with the first pick. That's the best case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Just now, SpongeDad said: Keep the draft picks and just draft a pass rusher ourselves. Brian Cox has been the common denominator the last few years in our pathetic pass rush. Fire him, bring in a new DL coach, and go DE/DT/OLB with the first pick. That's the best case scenario. My thought was we'd be drafting too high to get an elite pass rusher and would have to use other picks to get into the top ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 1 minute ago, falconidae said: My thought was we'd be drafting too high to get an elite pass rusher and would have to use other picks to get into the top ten. Lure a FA pass rusher next year also. I think we'll be picking in the same spot as last year. A mid first rd DE isn't terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newgafatboy Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 we just drafted a pass rusher in the top 10... if he cant get it done this year why would we expect the next guy out of collage to be any different, fire Cox... hire Chuck Smith, and let him find his own pass rusher. that said.... Beasley just needs to get mean and nasty .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 2 hours ago, SpongeDad said: Keep the draft picks and just draft a pass rusher ourselves. Brian Cox has been the common denominator the last few years in our pathetic pass rush. Fire him, bring in a new DL coach, and go DE/DT/OLB with the first pick. That's the best case scenario. How about getting rid of the common denominator over the last 8 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xskyx Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 49 minutes ago, atlGM said: How about getting rid of the common denominator over the last 8 years I dont think TD is selecting or training pass rushers bruh... He may make the pick, but you know he's getting whoever the coach asks for.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, xskyx said: I dont think TD is selecting or training pass rushers bruh... He may make the pick, but you know he's getting whoever the coach asks for.. Child please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 28 minutes ago, atlGM said: Child please You're right. It's just a coincidence that the drafting philosophy has completely changed from when Smith was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Again Georgian Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 34 minutes ago, atlGM said: Child please Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, ChildsPlease85 said: Yes? wow. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, ChildsPlease85 said: Yes? Hahahaha. Thread over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I don't think we need an 'elite' pass rusher per se to be effective in our pass rush......I think we have alot of guys who can get us 3-6 sacks each equating to 35 as a team.......: Beasley (8) Freeney (6) Clayborn (6) Reed (5) Jarrett/Babs (5) Shelby/Hags (5) (not counting blitzing LBers and safeties) Edited August 31, 2016 by Vandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmasen Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Ill take a PROVEN pass rusher for sure right now.. Its been too many years of drafting "pass rushers" that arent proven and have done nothing. We have spent more top picks on pass rushers and gotten jack squat out of it. Trade some picks and get another John Abraham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya_boi_j Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, jamesmasen said: Ill take a PROVEN pass rusher for sure right now.. Its been too many years of drafting "pass rushers" that arent proven and have done nothing. We have spent more top picks on pass rushers and gotten jack squat out of it. Trade some picks and get another John Abraham. So....who do you want to trade for , maybe Chandler Jones of NE for a 1st round pick? BB has made his bones for years trading away and letting vets go once their 'costs' exceed their value to his team and replacing them with younger cheaper talent....that's how you build dynasties (NE), and it's also how you insure mediocrity (us) ..... How soon we forget Ray Edwards........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South GA Bird Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I think the issue would be is who is out there that is a proven veteran that still has a lot left in the tank and one that would be affordable without selling the farm? The front office doesn't have a stellar record of bringing in personnel that improves us. I am with staying young thru the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 In today's NFL, you have to scheme the rush if you want to get home just rushing 4. It's a team effort on the pass rush and you can't just count on one super pass rusher to get home. Protection schemes are too sophisticated. You could draft 4 of the top pass rushers in the first round and play them across the front and you still wouldn't get to the QB. Stunts and Zone blitzes and 5 or 6 man overload blitzes on occasion are necessary to get the job done. We'll see if they're willing to scheme the pass rush this year and get some sacks. If not, it won't be pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhead1956 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 The Kracken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubirdfan4life Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 3 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: You're right. It's just a coincidence that the drafting philosophy has completely changed from when Smith was here. When your boss hires 3 ex gms to work with you and fires the head coach........yeah things tend to change pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubirdfan4life Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ironhead1956 said: The Kracken. Why not? Bring him in week 2....nothing guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubirdfan4life Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 There is no 1 guy...we need to start dialing up some blitzes until we get some guys who can lock down the pass rush using only the front 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Just draft can't-miss defensive talent and say to h*ll with attempting to fit them primarily to scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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