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2 hours ago, mdrake34 said:

Wondering aloud whether two unarmed men could have prevented the loss of life by bum rushing a man armed with an AR-15 before the bodies are cold just seems . . . I don't know. 

 

The Armalite Rifle 15 only shoot semi automatic and there was enough people there to bum rush him but people's instinct is to get down or away from the attacker.

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4 minutes ago, Brehus said:

The Armalite Rifle 15 only shoot semi automatic and there was enough people there to bum rush him but people's instinct is to get down or away from the attacker.

Is this the response of people who are afraid America will take their guns? 

Like wtf is the point of y'all making these "points"? 

Da fuq? 

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2 hours ago, mdrake34 said:

Wondering aloud whether two unarmed men could have prevented the loss of life by bum rushing a man armed with an AR-15 before the bodies are cold just seems . . . I don't know. 

In no way am I blaming them, but just reflecting on how some kind of training or having a plan for this kind of situation could net a less tragic result.  This character had a will to kill that makes me shudder to think about. He had no problem ending the lives of unarmed people laying defenseless in front of him who wanted nothing more than to go home. You were not safe thinking you could hide in there or get away. He was going to kill till he could not kill any more.

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55 minutes ago, Brehus said:

The Armalite Rifle 15 only shoot semi automatic and there was enough people there to bum rush him but people's instinct is to get down or away from the attacker.

However it can easily be made into a fully auto with only minimal tweaking. 

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Americans have chosen the unrestricted and un regulated right to bear arms over sensible restrictions that might have prevented him from buying guns a few weeks ago. America has chosen to allow these mass shootings on a weekly basis instead of ANY type of gun control regulation. Their are over 300 millions guns in this country and none of them stopped this guy from killing 50+ people.

America has to deal with the choice they made.

Background check system with no teeth, he was on the FBI watch list but they can't stop him

Government can't study gun related crimes to build a better profiles of potential criminals

Can't close the gun show loop hole

Can't have a waiting period

Can't require training or to acquire a license based on learning the skills of shooting or handling a gun

Can't have mental health checks as part of the back ground check process

Can't require gun safe's to hold guns where children live.

This is the path America has chosen, deal with it, or vote people in office that will stand up to the NRA and change it.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, MAD597 said:

Americans have chosen the unrestricted and un regulated right to bear arms over sensible restrictions that might have prevented him from buying guns a few weeks ago. America has chosen to allow these mass shootings on a weekly basis instead of ANY type of gun control regulation. Their are over 300 millions guns in this country and none of them stopped this guy from killing 50+ people.

America has to deal with the choice they made.

Background check system with no teeth, he was on the FBI watch list but they can't stop him

Government can't study gun related crimes to build a better profiles of potential criminals

Can't close the gun show loop hole

Can't have a waiting period

Can't require training or to acquire a license based on learning the skills of shooting or handling a gun

Can't have mental health checks as part of the back ground check process

Can't require gun safe's to hold guns where children live.

This is the path America has chosen, deal with it, or vote people in office that will stand up to the NRA and change it.

 

 

 

I'm not sure. Are you advocating making guns or some kinds of guns illegal in order to prevent murder? Because, you know, murder is already illegal and stuff. 

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1 hour ago, MAD597 said:

Americans have chosen the unrestricted and un regulated right to bear arms over sensible restrictions that might have prevented him from buying guns a few weeks ago. America has chosen to allow these mass shootings on a weekly basis instead of ANY type of gun control regulation. Their are over 300 millions guns in this country and none of them stopped this guy from killing 50+ people.

America has to deal with the choice they made.

Background check system with no teeth, he was on the FBI watch list but they can't stop him

Government can't study gun related crimes to build a better profiles of potential criminals

Can't close the gun show loop hole

Can't have a waiting period

Can't require training or to acquire a license based on learning the skills of shooting or handling a gun

Can't have mental health checks as part of the back ground check process

Can't require gun safe's to hold guns where children live.

This is the path America has chosen, deal with it, or vote people in office that will stand up to the NRA and change it.

 

 

 

I sit here watching the TV today and I find myself wondering are liberals really even paying attention to what's going on or are they so close minded they can't even see what the real problems are? I'd say your post confirms that they aren't paying attention. Ideals are peaceful.... history is violent.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-gay-nightclub-shooting-in-orlando_us_575dabcbe4b0ced23ca85ad5

 

WASHINGTON, June 12 (Reuters) - Islamic State claimed responsibility on Sunday for the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, but U.S. officials said they had seen no immediate evidence linking the militant group to the massacre in Orlando, Florida.

Islamic State’s claim was carried by Amaq, the organization’s news agency.

“The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando in the American state of Florida which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter,” said the Amaq statement.

At least 50 people were killed and 53 others were wounded in the Pulse nightclub before the gunman was shot dead by police.

The shooter was identified by authorities as Omar Mateen, a Florida resident and U.S.-born son of Afghan immigrants who a senior FBI official said might have had leanings toward Islamic State.

The FBI official cautioned, however, that proving the suspected link to radical Islamism required further investigation.

Three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation into the massacre said that no evidence had yet been found showing a direct link with Islamic State or any other militant group.

There is “no evidence yet that this was directed or connected to ISIS. So far as we know at this time, his first direct contact was a pledge of bayat (loyalty) he made during the massacre,” said a U.S. counter-terrorism official, referring to a 911 call the suspect made on Sunday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity.

A U.S. intelligence official said it was not unexpected that Islamic State would claim responsibility given that the group has been suffering serious losses of fighters and territory in Iraq and Syria.

“The fact that a website connected to Daesh applauded it doesn’t mean anything,” said the U.S. intelligence official, using an Arabic language acronym for Islamic State. “They are losing on their home turf, and it’s not surprising if they’re looking for some kind of twisted victory.”

Speaking at the White House, President Barack Obama called the attack “an act of terror and an act of hate,” and said the FBI would spare no effort to determine whether the suspect had been inspired by any extremist group.

The two officials familiar with the investigation said a leading theory was that the suspect somehow was inspired by Islamist militants.

One official said early information, the nature of which he did not disclose, indicated that the shooter was motivated by a mixture of “hate” and religion.

 

‘ACT OF TERRORISM’

U.S. Representative Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement issued after a briefing on the massacre that several factors indicated the attack was an Islamic State-inspired “act of terrorism.”

He noted that the incident occurred during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, that Islamic State had called for attacks during that period, the target was an LGBT nightclub and it was hit during Gay Pride weekend.

Schiff said that, if accurate, “according to local law enforcement the shooter declared his allegiance to ISIS (Islamic State).”

An audio message purportedly issued last month by the spokesman of Islamic State called on followers to launch attacks in the United States and Europe during Ramadan, which began on June 5 in the United States.

“Ramadan, the month of conquest and jihad. Get prepared, be ready ... to make it a month of calamity everywhere for the non-believers ... especially for the fighters and supporters of the caliphate in Europe and America,” said the statement allegedly made by Abu Muhammad al-Adnani and distributed over Twitter accounts usually associated with Islamic State.

“The smallest action you do in their heartland is better and more enduring to us than what you would if you were with us. If one of you hoped to reach the Islamic State, we wish we were in your place to punish the Crusaders day and night,” said the audio clip, the authenticity of which could not be verified.

(Reporting by Jonathan Landay and Mark Hosenball; Editing by Peter Cooney and Alistair Bell)

 

 

 

This is just sad beyond measure.

 

50 people who were out for nothing more than a good time  are dead.

 

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8 hours ago, ransack said:

I sit here watching the TV today and I find myself wondering are liberals really even paying attention to what's going on or are they so close minded they can't even see what the real problems are? I'd say your post confirms that they aren't paying attention. Ideals are peaceful.... history is violent.

No, they are not. To many liberals, not all, they see the guns as the problem. They see hate towards the gay community, Not the ISLAMIC problem, but an American problem. They are useful idiots for being walking, talking bill boards espousing this insane logic that if we confiscate guns, the Islamics will like us(said by the obama administration yesterday).

This is a war by Islamic Nazi's and the radical left wants to give them a big hug and sing around a camp fire. The progressive left is all about taking power from the people. 

Our gutless President came out and blamed America for this atrocity. This great divider is doing the Jihadist a favor all the while these gutless Islamics sit in their tents saying, "WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET AMERICA PISSED OFF". You can watch on TV while the Islamics kill us and our President, many on the left, excuse the cause and blame America for all that is wrong in the world. 

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1 minute ago, mdrake34 said:

I knew you would crawl out of your hole for this. 

50+ americans were slaughtered yesterday by Islamic radicals. This is the 2nd worst terrorist attack on America, in our history and the killers are being excused because of a lack of Integrity and honesty. If you cannot wake up to this atrocity and see what war we are fighting in our streets, then Sir, I have nothing left to say to you. 

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10 hours ago, MAD597 said:

Americans have chosen the unrestricted and un regulated right to bear arms over sensible restrictions that might have prevented him from buying guns a few weeks ago. America has chosen to allow these mass shootings on a weekly basis instead of ANY type of gun control regulation. Their are over 300 millions guns in this country and none of them stopped this guy from killing 50+ people.

America has to deal with the choice they made.

Background check system with no teeth, he was on the FBI watch list but they can't stop him

Government can't study gun related crimes to build a better profiles of potential criminals

Can't close the gun show loop hole

Can't have a waiting period

Can't require training or to acquire a license based on learning the skills of shooting or handling a gun

Can't have mental health checks as part of the back ground check process

Can't require gun safe's to hold guns where children live.

This is the path America has chosen, deal with it, or vote people in office that will stand up to the NRA and change it.

 

 

 

Gun control to the max doesn't work.  Take out the top 3 or 4 heavily gun regulated cities and america goes fron the top of  world gun violence to near the bottom in the whole world.  An unarmed population just makes more  and easier targets. Stop blaming the tool and blame the issue at hand here. You cant keep guns out of the hands of terrorist through laws, even if you did manage to ban guns; pipe bombs, dirty bombs, car bombs and who knows what else would become their next choice and it would destroy more lives than a gun.

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Alright, a day later and the response to this from certain circles has been truly disgusting. The focus of concern when this first happened was for the slain, their families, and for the LBGT community that was targeted, all of which should be the natural response, but once it was revealed the perpetrator was Muslim they shifted their rhetoric instantly. In an attempt to appear as tolerant as possible they absolutely refuse to confront the real issue of radicalized Islam and have instead attempted to shift the narrative to gun control. 50+ people were slaughtered in the name of ISIS to terrorize the LBGT community yet this is their response. To say their heads are buried in the sand regarding this doesn't even come close to describing it.

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41 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Alright, a day later and the response to this from certain circles has been truly disgusting. The focus of concern when this first happened was for the slain, their families, and for the LBGT community that was targeted, all of which should be the natural response, but once it was revealed the perpetrator was Muslim they shifted their rhetoric instantly. In an attempt to appear as tolerant as possible they absolutely refuse to confront the real issue of radicalized Islam and have instead attempted to shift the narrative to gun control. 50+ people were slaughtered in the name of ISIS to terrorize the LBGT community yet this is their response. To say their heads are buried in the sand regarding this doesn't even come close to describing it.

The response from both sides has been disgusting, FWIW:

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EDIT:  I just realized we were complaining about the same sides.  My bad.

I stand by my statement, but my example was a poor one.

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An unintended victim that the shooter didn't realize he would hurt was his own father. I feel sorry for him having to live with the fact his son is a mass murderer and the world is looking to him for answers. You can see the distress of losing his child, dealing with what he's done, and left trying to make sense of it all. His father is not like him.

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