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For those that like to keep up with my spreadsheet in the offseason, I finally got around to updating it and adding all the draft picks and college free agents. As always, the link is in my signature, and also here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1847ur23qO2n25_vLarSaMbXlowXx9XNBZeedz9uh8-k/edit#gid=1476980806

 

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A few thoughts about our roster from looking at the new additions and how things shake out.

We have 16 OL's on the roster - 8 returning and 8 new. But outside of Mack who was a big addition, the other 7 new OL's are a journeyman backup, a 6th rounder, a former 7th rounder, and 3 UDFA's. It would seem we are banking on one big upgrade, continuity with most of the group, and looking for some unpolished gems to develop for later.

AT QB, we only added Schaub. We didn't even add a college free agent, which should tell us something.

At RB we only added as competition 1 RB in Wilds and 1 FB/RB in Ratelle - both UDFA's.

AT TE we added a nice addition in the 3rd round, but only 1 UDFA other than that.

AT WR the big addition was Sanu, literally and figuratively at 6' 1 1/2". We also added the 6 foot tall Fuller who is more of a speed threat. But other than Sanu, and somewhat Fuller, the only other WR types we added are shorties. The only WR's on our roster over 6' are Julio, Sanu, and the 2015 practice squader Jordan Leslie. It is somewhat interesting that there are only 5 returning members from 2015 of the 12 now on the roster.

The DL is surprisingly very similar with 7 of the 10 as returning players from 2015. We pretty much traded Soliai for Shelby, and shuffled some people around. The only other additions to the DL are two UDFA's - one a 3-Tech DT, the other a NT. I haven't really made roster predictions in this post so far, but I will here because it's fairly easy and clear cut. We return Babs, Clayborn, Goodman, Hageman, Jackson, Jarrett, and Mbu. We added Shelby, C. Johnson, and C. Mayes. We kept 7 of these players last season, and will likely do so again. The only change I see is Shelby in place of Goodman from what is left from the 2015 group. So:

  1. Babs
  2. Clayborn
  3. Hageman
  4. Jackson
  5. Jarrett
  6. Mbu
  7. Shelby

Mbu is probably fighting with Mayes for a spot, but other than that I don't see any other changes - excluding a bigtime player getting cut from another team for some strange reason.

At EDGE (I combine LEO and SLB types into Edge players - too small for interior DL, different skillsets for the off-ball ILB's). We kept 4 Edge players last year, adding Starr as a 5th after week 14 of last year. We have 7 on our roster now, 3 returning from last year with Biermann and Schofield gone. Upshaw is the top addition to a returning group of Beasley, Reed, and Starr. The other 3 additions are UDFA's, which would signal we are content with the group up top, but are looking for a developmetnal prospect to either replace Starr, or for the practice squad. This is very different from how we handled the ILB group...

At ILB (MLB and WLB types) we only added 1 UDFA. We kept 4 ILB's last season, but only return 2 of those in Worrilow and Wheeler. We added a 2nd and 4th rounder, and brought back Spoon, so this position was obviously targeted for upgrading.

At DB we return 8 players from a group where we carried 9 most of the season. And our top draft pick is a DB. There is competition because we have 17 DB's on the roster right now, but probably not much at the top of the food chain.

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Ratelle appears to be this year's version Colin Mooney.  It's probably a long shot that a Pro Bowl FB doesn't make the team, but Ratelle does have the same thing over DiMarco which did Mooney:  speed.  Ratelle clocked a 4.57 40 on his pro-day.

Aldrick Robinson may be only 5'10", but he is also very fast and has played in a KS offense at Washington.  In addition to sub 4.4 40 times, both Robinson and Fuller posted impressive short shuttle times (4.09 and 4.07, respectively).  I like to see low ss times for receivers, especially slots.   Wes Welker posted a 4.01 out of college. And, impressively, at 207 pounds, that was the same time posted by Roddy.

If Hester is healthy, I'd think that three WR positions are taken: Jones (1), Sanu (2), and Hester (4?).  Hardy seems likely at this stage, but he doesn't fit the initiative to make the team 'faster'.   Both Robinson and Fuller can deliver on that front.   It sure would be nice to another vertical threat besides JJ.

 

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Hey RandomFan,  I've got another google spreadsheet for you!   I started it a few years ago.  It compares the combine/pro-day measurables of highly regarded  NFL players against various players on current (and sometimes previous) falcons roster.  

Also the measurables are combined in various ways to account for differences in weight, or to use only a few numbers.  

One score is the 'explosion index' which Pat Kirwan talks about in his book, Take Your Eye Off the Football.   Explosion index is simply the sum of vertical jump, broad jump, and bench press reps @ 225lbs.  A score of 70 or over is rare among even NFL players.  

I haven't documented the other columns as much, but if reverse-engineering the formulas is too much work, you can message me, and I will provide a better description. 

One guy that really stands out is Haloti Ngata.  When he put up his measurables, this dude was a momentum machine

NFL measureables

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One more thing I wanted to talk about in looking at the spreadsheet, and that is the amount of roster turnover we've had since Quinn took over the Falcons a little over a year ago. And by that I mean, how many players are still on the roster that Quinn inherited from the 2014 team, and how many new players has he brought in - the results might surprise you in some areas.

The numbers in parentheses (x) is how many of those players we carried on the 2015 roster most of the season.

OL (9):  Only 3 players still on the roster that were here before Quinn arrived - Stone, Matthews, Schraeder. We have 16 OL's on the roster, so 13 of those have been brought in on Quinn's watch.

QB (2):  2 players still on the roster - M. Ryan and S. Renfree. 4 on the roster now, 2 new under Quinn - Simms and Schaub.

RB (4):  2 players still on roster - D. Freeman and DiMarco. There are 7 on the roster for now - 5 new under Quinn.

TE (3):  Only 1 holdover - Toilolo. 4 of the 5 TE's going to camp are Quinn additions.

WR (6):  3 holdovers - Julio, Hester, Weems. With 12 going to camp = 9 new additions since Quinn arrived. 

D Line (7):  4 holdovers (surprised?) - Babineaux, Goodman, Hageman, Jackson. With only 10 going to training camp, 6 new since Quinn arrived. 

EDGE [LEO/SLB] (4):  Only 1 holdover - Tyler Starr. With 7 going to camp, that is 6 new since Quinn arrived. Talk about position turnover?

ILB [MLB/WLB] (4):  Technically 2 still on the roster, since he inherited Weatherspoon who has now returned, along with Worrilow still here. But Spoon did leave for a year, so...With 7 going to camp, 5 of them weren't here before Quinn arrived.

DB (9):  4 holdovers - Alford, Allen, Ishmael, Trufant. With 17 going to camp, 13 have been added under Quinn.   

Specialists (3): I don't put the specialists on my spreadsheet, but if we count the K, P, and Long Snapper then that is another 3 holdovers towards the 53 man roster.

 

Giving us a grand total of 25 out of a 53 man roster that are still here that Quinn inherited from 2 seasons ago that were on the final 2014 roster. That number will likely shrink even more after training camp cuts are announced.

The holdovers that are probably gone, or at least fighting for their NFL life = Stone, Renfree, one of Hester or Weems, Goodman.

Holdovers that are at legitimate risk of being gone too = the other of Hester or Weems, Jackson, Starr, Weatherspoon, Ishmael, M. Bryant.

 

It's safe to say Dan Quinn is churning this roster.

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Agreed.  Useful.

If they'll churn a couple OGs, and get some developing talent at WR, we should be good on one side of the ball for 5 years.

D we have a lot of developing talent, so we'll have to say how they develop, but I'm excited, and feel like with a DT and edge (probably 2 DT after this year) we'll be in good shape there, too.

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1 hour ago, takeitdown said:

If they'll churn a couple OGs, and get some developing talent at WR, we should be good on one side of the ball for 5 years.

 feel like with a DT and edge (probably 2 DT after this year) we'll be in good shape there, too.

I, too, would love to see us pick up one more big WR at some point in the draft next year. I think Hardy is going to be a good slot WR for us for years to come, and we are obviously set at starter with Julio and Sanu. Fuller is a nice developmental project, but he's so far away it might be until 2017 before we even get a chance to see what we have in him. 

Agree that a starting caliber 3-Tech DT will be a big need next offseason with both Babineaux and Jackson probably gone. We could bring Babs back on a moderate 1 year deal as insurance, but we definitely need a DT to groom.

Also agree on another edge player being a big need. Upshaw is only on a 1 year contract, and Reed will be in the last year of his deal - and depending on how this year goes we might even be ready to cut Reed after 2016.

My way too early 2017 needs are a 3T DT, an Edge defender, and an OG. And with how Shanahan loves his 2 TE sets, I might even be tempted to throw a TE in there, depending on if Tamme hits the age wall this season or not.

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3 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

I, too, would love to see us pick up one more big WR at some point in the draft next year. I think Hardy is going to be a good slot WR for us for years to come, and we are obviously set at starter with Julio and Sanu. Fuller is a nice developmental project, but he's so far away it might be until 2017 before we even get a chance to see what we have in him. 

Agree that a starting caliber 3-Tech DT will be a big need next offseason with both Babineaux and Jackson probably gone. We could bring Babs back on a moderate 1 year deal as insurance, but we definitely need a DT to groom.

Also agree on another edge player being a big need. Upshaw is only on a 1 year contract, and Reed will be in the last year of his deal - and depending on how this year goes we might even be ready to cut Reed after 2016.

My way too early 2017 needs are a 3T DT, an Edge defender, and an OG.

My earlier favorites outside of Myles Garnett is DE/DT Jonathan Allen and OG/C Pat Elfien.

Reed was inured last year and he might bounce back, but I think McLennan is going to give him some serious competition.

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I was just noticing that we are actually bringing to training camp this year a lot of the players that were on the 53 man roster for our final game in 2015.

We're bringing 22 on offense.

And bringing 20 on defense

With all 3 specialists as well.

So out of the 53 man roster that finished the season, we are bringing to camp 45 of them - which means we either cut or didn't resign 8 players from our final game last year. Honestly, that's not a lot at all. That's actually really good. We had a huge amount of turnover last offseason, and training came will undoubtedly lead to some more cuts from that group of 45 we are bringing back. But taking 45 of your 53 man roster into training camp the next season is really high.

 

I've also added a spreadsheet of our 2015 snap counts for defense, offense, and special teams. The players highlighted in red are obviously not with the team anymore and are snaps that will have to be replaced by someone.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11W-1to0yTZw6t9cEgq6nhUlYeF0UPriDDaEJnxjguco/edit#gid=1066339071

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On 5/21/2016 at 5:18 PM, RandomFan said:

I, too, would love to see us pick up one more big WR at some point in the draft next year. I think Hardy is going to be a good slot WR for us for years to come, and we are obviously set at starter with Julio and Sanu. Fuller is a nice developmental project, but he's so far away it might be until 2017 before we even get a chance to see what we have in him. 

Agree that a starting caliber 3-Tech DT will be a big need next offseason with both Babineaux and Jackson probably gone. We could bring Babs back on a moderate 1 year deal as insurance, but we definitely need a DT to groom.

Also agree on another edge player being a big need. Upshaw is only on a 1 year contract, and Reed will be in the last year of his deal - and depending on how this year goes we might even be ready to cut Reed after 2016.

My way too early 2017 needs are a 3T DT, an Edge defender, and an OG. And with how Shanahan loves his 2 TE sets, I might even be tempted to throw a TE in there, depending on if Tamme hits the age wall this season or not.

Yeah, my needs as of now are 3T, Edge, OG, WR.

Obviously injury, lack of performance, leaving in FA can change all that.  RB could easily be a need, as could LB, corner and TE.  But hopefully those guys perform.

But if we could magically add a few players this year...having an edge and a 3T would make the DL a strength, and having an OG and co 2nd or co 3rd WR would make the passing offense formidable.

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11 hours ago, RandomFan said:

Recent updates to the spreadsheet.

Added more recent information on players. Also added 2 new tabs:

#1) My projected 53 man roster.

#2) A 2017 upcoming Free Agents tab, so it's easier to see our upcoming free agents grouped by position.

Thanks again for the spreadsheet and updates. Highly useful information.

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