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Why Did The Falcons Draft Neal, Jones, & Campbell? The Answer Is More Obvious Than You'd Think.(self.falcons)

submitted 19 hours ago by d1dOnly

Looking back at the draft, I must admit I was miffed by our 3 defensive draft choices. None of them really seemed to stand out to me in college, and looking them up, all I got was that they were all pretty quick. Then I started listening to the buzz around them and kept hearing the same thing: Cover Tight Ends and Backs out of the backfield. Both of these areas seem to have been weaknesses of our for a while, and I was curious just how bad it was.

Looking back at 2015, we saw a huge improvement on the defensive side of the ball. The Falcons defense allowed 3,882 yards passing (15.4% less than 2014), 19 TDs (5.3% less than 2014), however completions went up to 370 (3.0% increase from 2014). Just how much of each of these categories could be attributed to back and tight ends? Well let's take a look.

  • Receptions - 210 (56.76%)
  • Yards - 1,934 (49.82%)
  • Touchdowns - 11 (57.89%)

Over half of our opponents receptions and touchdowns, and nearly half the yardage, came from tight ends, running back, and full back. And that's with playing games against Odell Beckham Jr., DeAndre Hopkins, DeSean Jackson, Brand Cooks (x2), Mike Evans (x2), Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, TY Hilton, Allen Robinson, & Allen Hurns. The Falcons 2015 WR opponents included some very good players, and yet teams consistently went to their RBs and TEs to beat us. And this, I think, is why we drafted Neal, Jones, & Campbell. Our CBs are pretty good at containing WRs, but our LBs and safeties either lack the speed or agility to cover their duties. the one thing that all the speed we picked up in the offseason will do is at least help up make up ground when we need to. Hopefully these guys can fix the problem with giving QBs a quick dump off safety net and help give our DL the extra half second they need to get to the QB.

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This is exactly what I posted following the draft. More pass rushers don't automatically equal better pass rush. 

When you look at our yards given up through the air last year you'll notice how much tight ends and running backs hurt us. If Neal and Jones can help is cl fix some of that then we can raise our sack total with our current personnel. 

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6 minutes ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

This is exactly what I posted following the draft. More pass rushers don't automatically equal better pass rush. 

When you look at our yards given up through the air last year you'll notice how much tight ends and running backs hurt us. If Neal and Jones can help is cl fix some of that then we can raise our sack total with our current personnel. 

I totally agree. Even the pundits didnt recognize what we were trying to do. Even though Quinn made this very clear.

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This thread gets it.   I don't know if it will work but the logic is there.   Pass rush is not just about designated pass rushers.   It's great when you have one (we have)  or two but you don't need to put all the  pressure on these rare specialists (who still need the LBs and  secondary doing their job)  if you control the options the QB has to get the ball out of his hand in a timely manner. 

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25 minutes ago, clownorg said:

Seriously just think how many of those pressures last year would have been sacks if the opposing qb didn't have that quick dump off ALWAYS AVAILABLE

Equally as important is this... Even if a dump off is there, the fact that we'll be all over it and snuff it out shy of the first down marker is key!  Then, once offenses realize that those dump offs do not result in extending drives, they will be much less eager to do it.  Thus, they'll have to revert back to downfield throws to their Wide Receivers which, in turn, will result in sacks rather than hurries.  

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" Over half of our opponents receptions and touchdowns, and nearly half the yardage, came from tight ends, running back, and full back. "

Dayum! I knew we were weak over the middle, but that is mind-blowing. In view of the above, how could Quinn and the FO go ANY OTHER WAY in the draft than Neal, Jones and Campbell. If they can just staunch the flow of blood a little bit, this defense will improve by 25 percent over last year on that alone.

And, if they can all really step up and become shut-down defenders, we're talking about a top-10 Defense. How long has it been since we've had that going for us? Matt Ryan and our Offense have never seen it, but I bet they'll love the hale out of it.

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22 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

" Over half of our opponents receptions and touchdowns, and nearly half the yardage, came from tight ends, running back, and full back. "

Dayum! I knew we were weak over the middle, but that is mind-blowing. In view of the above, how could Quinn and the FO go ANY OTHER WAY in the draft than Neal, Jones and Campbell. If they can just staunch the flow of blood a little bit, this defense will improve by 25 percent over last year on that alone.

And, if they can all really step up and become shut-down defenders, we're talking about a top-10 Defense. How long has it been since we've had that going for us? Matt Ryan and our Offense have never seen it, but I bet they'll love the hale out of it.

A few of us have tried pointing out that we were top 2 in the NFL vs receivers and bottom 5 vs rbs and tes, but some people just ignore the information presented to them. We gave up the most receptions to rbs in the NFL. It was bad.

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This was something I pointed out after the season and ramping up to FA and the draft. Actually I was saying this DURING the season when guys were blaming the secondary. This was evident. Getting more pass rushers and not closing the outlet pipeline wouldn't have mattered. I said before FA we needed to go defense heavy with an emphasis on LB's. The LB core has been sh*tty in pass coverage since Smitty was here. We'd be spinning in the mud if by going pass rusher with the same existing issues of not covering the middle of the field. I'm glad he did this research but this has been my cry for at LEAST 4 years now. 3 things will come from having faster lb's and safeties that can cover. More sacks, more turnovers, or a lot more incompletions. I prefer more turnovers because those are game changing plays. 

 

Guys its its not rocket science. It's just football. A pass rush starts with the dline but a SUCCESSFUL one has linebackers and safeties with speed and coverage ability. Simple. Easier said than done but the theory has never changed. 

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9 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

A few of us have tried pointing out that we were top 2 in the NFL vs receivers and bottom 5 vs rbs and tes, but some people just ignore the information presented to them. We gave up the most receptions to rbs in the NFL. It was bad.

absolutely. Fell on Def ears that want to blame TD for everything. I've seen this problem for years now. 

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35 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

" Over half of our opponents receptions and touchdowns, and nearly half the yardage, came from tight ends, running back, and full back. "

Dayum! I knew we were weak over the middle, but that is mind-blowing. In view of the above, how could Quinn and the FO go ANY OTHER WAY in the draft than Neal, Jones and Campbell. If they can just staunch the flow of blood a little bit, this defense will improve by 25 percent over last year on that alone.

And, if they can all really step up and become shut-down defenders, we're talking about a top-10 Defense. How long has it been since we've had that going for us? Matt Ryan and our Offense have never seen it, but I bet they'll love the hale out of it.

I said this for a while now Steve. Everybody seems to think a pass rush is all and only about pass rushers. It's not. Something has to make the qb hold the ball long enough to get sacked. And that would be fast lb's that can cover. 

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15 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

A few of us have tried pointing out that we were top 2 in the NFL vs receivers and bottom 5 vs rbs and tes, but some people just ignore the information presented to them. We gave up the most receptions to rbs in the NFL. It was bad.

There's 2 reasons why we gave up alot of yardage to TEs and RBs. 

1) Our LBs suck

2) Our cover 3 scheme is susceptible to TEs and RBs. You need fast and quick LBs to counter that which is why Campbell and Jones were solid picks. 

Personally I'm fine with how our offseason went. Can't plug every hole. Shelby has nice upside and the DEs in the draft dint do much for me. Unlike the Smith era you can see a clear plan for how each player acquired will fit into this team. Which makes me more confident in the direction of this team.

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2 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

I said this for a while now Steve. Everybody seems to think a pass rush is all and only about pass rushers. It's not. Something has to make the qb hold the ball long enough to get sacked. And that would be fast lb's that can cover. 

I knew this was a glaring weakness, but I didn't know before today it accounted for half the TD's and receptions given up. Given the effort Quinn and the FO have made to address the problem, how well do you think they did with Neal, Jones and Campbell? How good do you think this D will be this year? I'm thinking much better than last, though I don't have any idea how that will translate statistically or in terms of W's and L's because the schedule is way tougher.

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7 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said:

There's 2 reasons why we gave up alot of yardage to TEs and RBs. 

1) Our LBs suck

2) Our cover 3 scheme is susceptible to TEs and RBs. You need fast and quick LBs to counter that which is why Campbell and Jones were solid picks. 

Personally I'm fine with how our offseason went. Can't plug every hole. Shelby has nice upside and the DEs in the draft dint do much for me. Unlike the Smith era you can see a clear plan for how each player acquired will fit into this team. Which makes me more confident in the direction of this team.

You know I said we didn't have as many holes as ppl thought. The main holes were lb's. Just like our Collins debate. Even tho he didn't have a great season he wasn't the issue. I remember pointing out to you and Clark Kent that in the games that Collins gave up a pass or 2 the lb's were getting killed by rb's and TE's. A lot of that was being put on Collins but it wasn't his responsibility for the seam. His only job is bail in cover 3 but when you throw a seam route close by it looks like it's on him. That's really on the safety, which is why Neal was the pick to take care of that. 

 

So so long story short, and this is gonna sound like Belichik, if everybody just does their job it doesn't matter how bad Collins is if the lb's and safeties are doing their jobs and all he has to worry about is bailing. The underneath routes he gave up, curls and comebacks which is a natural weakness of cover 3, will be better defended with these young faster lb's that can cover ground faster than what we had. 

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5 hours ago, Falcon918 said:

Why Did The Falcons Draft Neal, Jones, & Campbell? The Answer Is More Obvious Than You'd Think.(self.falcons)

submitted 19 hours ago by d1dOnly

Looking back at the draft, I must admit I was miffed by our 3 defensive draft choices. None of them really seemed to stand out to me in college, and looking them up, all I got was that they were all pretty quick. Then I started listening to the buzz around them and kept hearing the same thing: Cover Tight Ends and Backs out of the backfield. Both of these areas seem to have been weaknesses of our for a while, and I was curious just how bad it was.

Looking back at 2015, we saw a huge improvement on the defensive side of the ball. The Falcons defense allowed 3,882 yards passing (15.4% less than 2014), 19 TDs (5.3% less than 2014), however completions went up to 370 (3.0% increase from 2014). Just how much of each of these categories could be attributed to back and tight ends? Well let's take a look.

  • Receptions - 210 (56.76%)
  • Yards - 1,934 (49.82%)
  • Touchdowns - 11 (57.89%)

Over half of our opponents receptions and touchdowns, and nearly half the yardage, came from tight ends, running back, and full back. And that's with playing games against Odell Beckham Jr., DeAndre Hopkins, DeSean Jackson, Brand Cooks (x2), Mike Evans (x2), Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, TY Hilton, Allen Robinson, & Allen Hurns. The Falcons 2015 WR opponents included some very good players, and yet teams consistently went to their RBs and TEs to beat us. And this, I think, is why we drafted Neal, Jones, & Campbell. Our CBs are pretty good at containing WRs, but our LBs and safeties either lack the speed or agility to cover their duties. the one thing that all the speed we picked up in the offseason will do is at least help up make up ground when we need to. Hopefully these guys can fix the problem with giving QBs a quick dump off safety net and help give our DL the extra half second they need to get to the QB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/falcons/comments/4iwc33/why_did_the_falcons_draft_neal_jones_campbell_the/

You seem to be assuming Jones and Campbell get significant snaps. Don't be surprised if they are on the bench watching Spoon and Wheeler, or heaven forbid Paul Worrilow. 

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