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30 minutes ago, insight said:

Who knows hopefully we won't be dead last for the 4th straight season after all JJ. Watt had two less than our entire defense.  

 Gazoo just watch this clip a couple of times and maybe you will understand why the defensive line still needs major improvement.  Stop posting and JUST WATCH. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BNuFQ-eCk

Everyone seems really obsessed with that play and...well. That play. That one play. Pretty much only that play. 

I've seen people use that play to say our defense will be soft, that our pass rush will be bad, and that our new picks will be bad. That. One. Play. 

Can someone please explain? Our defense arguably kept us in more games (and won them) than our offense. It's such a shallow argument that it's really getting exhausting seeing it everywhere around here. One little play, and a dozen unrelated grievances. Like, bro. Not trying to pick on you insight. This goes out to everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Falcan Moore said:

Everyone seems really obsessed with that play and...well. That play. That one play. Pretty much only that play. 

I've seen people use that play to say our defense will be soft, that our pass rush will be bad, and that our new picks will be bad. That. One. Play. 

Can someone please explain? Our defense arguably kept us in more games (and won them) than our offense. It's such a shallow argument that it's really getting exhausting seeing it everywhere around here. One little play, and a dozen unrelated grievances. Like, bro. Not trying to pick on you insight. This goes out to everyone. 

We literally won the Eagles, Redskins, Panthers and Jaguars game on defensive plays on the last posssession of those games. That's four games that the defense literally won but cats wanna hang on to that one play. 

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I hope we resign Schofield and Bierman in light of you have to have quality depth. This is the NFL players get hurt, we have a very tough schedule. People think just because college athletes are drafted that they are automatically going to come in and be an effective starter. Not true, it takes a while for most rookies to be good NFL PLAYERS. The FO can't blow this!

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5 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

There is literally no one then. Time to stand pat or trade.

I still hope that perhaps Atlanta could pick up a penetrating, pocket-collapsing DT or a pass-rushing DE specialist before the season starts. Maybe during final cuts a good Defensive Lineman might drop to us. Atlanta has not added to its DL this offseason yet. Shelby in essence takes Biermann's place, albeit a significant improvement, and none were drafted.

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7 minutes ago, Falcan Moore said:

Everyone seems really obsessed with that play and...well. That play. That one play. Pretty much only that play. 

I've seen people use that play to say our defense will be soft, that our pass rush will be bad, and that our new picks will be bad. That. One. Play. 

Can someone please explain? Our defense arguably kept us in more games (and won them) than our offense. It's such a shallow argument that it's really getting exhausting seeing it everywhere around here. One little play, and a dozen unrelated grievances. Like, bro. Not trying to pick on you insight. This goes out to everyone. 

One, the defense was much improved from 2014, I have never claimed differently. The pass rush is still a glaring weakness and with a average one we would have easily made the playoffs in spite of the offensive turnovers and struggles. 

The link I provided was more than one play, it was multiple plays that showed how comfortable a rookie QB looked against our defense. 

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35 minutes ago, theProf said:

I still hope that perhaps Atlanta could pick up a penetrating, pocket-collapsing DT or a pass-rushing DE specialist before the season starts. Maybe during final cuts a good Defensive Lineman might drop to us. Atlanta has not added to its DL this offseason yet. Shelby in essence takes Biermann's place, albeit a significant improvement, and none were drafted.

Oh I doubt that. Good news is to look at what Upshaw does and let me know what you see.

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2 hours ago, insight said:

I like the Shelby signing, I think he filled a much needed role on the D-Line but my complaint has been and still is the lack of another pass rush specialist. It's been the weakest link on defenses for years and teams will continue to exploit it until  we address it. 
 I still remember vividly howwe couldn't put pressure on Kapp in the second half because Abe was injured and he was the only player who had the ability to get to the QB.  

We have addressed it though.  You don't put seeds in the ground and expect cucumbers in two weeks.  We drafted Hageman, Beasley and Jarrett.  We signed Clayborn and now we've signed Shelby.  We added two speedy linebackers and a hard-hitting safety (who can also pass rush btw).  

Did you know we were 7th in the league last year in QB hurries? http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/total-team-defensive-hurries/2015/  That's getting pressure.  We have the pieces to get pressure.  Not only did we add another in Shelby but now we have speed to cut off the escape routes.  Add a half second or so to the QB's pocket time and the sacks will be there.  That's the problem though, we haven't cut off the those routes so teams have been dumping off to the RB or TE in the flats and have had success moving the ball.  Shut that part down and they quit relying on it and are forced to hang on to the ball.  Notice most of Ryan's INT's came over the middle trying to hit Freeman or a TE?  What caused that?  LB's that can cover.  When those type plays happen, it forces the QB to realize those safety nets aren't there and aren't automatic.  That half second or full second is all it will take from being 7th in QB hurries to all of the sudden getting more and more sacks.

I know it's tough to be patient (trust me, I'm ready to see it too) but when you inject so much youth into a defense, you have to give them time to adjust and grow...

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I, quite frankly, could care less if the opposing QB looks like a model from an Oxyclean commercial after the game, so long as he's not scoring points or getting more than 10 yrds per series. And I am hoping that this draft has made that reality. If we can plug up the porous middle, then the sacks will come...and if they don't come, but they aren't able to move the ball down field, I can live with that.

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18 hours ago, FentayeJones said:

Quinn's job security is not tied to whether or not Lawson gets 10 sacks.

His job relies on what the Falcons do, not the Bills.

Blank was sitting right there in the room when they pulled Neal's name off the draft board - he made a phone call to him and everything.

And you have just identified most of the front office issues my friend...

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1 hour ago, FentayeJones said:

We literally won the Eagles, Redskins, Colts and Jaguars game on defensive plays on the last posssession of those games. That's four games that the defense literally won but cats wanna hang on to that one play. 

Ummm, we lost to the Colts.

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2 minutes ago, FentayeJones said:

Thats right... my bad

You're thinking Panthers. The most complete defensive game we played all year. We had a game plan against Cam and executed it perfectly. That is what we will see more of with Quinn getting the pieces he wants. 

That same game plan is what the Broncos copied to their ring.

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People keep bringing up 7th in pressures like its accomplishment. Falcons were facing 35 pass atts per game so a team that faces more drop backs will see a higher amount of pressures/ plays. Falcons were dead last in league in sacks while facing 561 pass attemtps. That means Falcons were doing a piss poor job in many areas and getting hand on QB and finishing the job. You need impact players to create havoc and force a QB to move around in pocket and another player to finish job. More players who can create havoc better chance you have getting and finishing off plays to QB

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25 minutes ago, Old timer fan said:

People keep bringing up 7th in pressures like its accomplishment. Falcons were facing 35 pass atts per game so a team that faces more drop backs will see a higher amount of pressures/ plays. Falcons were dead last in league in sacks while facing 561 pass attemtps. That means Falcons were doing a piss poor job in many areas and getting hand on QB and finishing the job. You need impact players to create havoc and force a QB to move around in pocket and another player to finish job. More players who can create havoc better chance you have getting and finishing off plays to QB

The 2014 Falcons faced 566 pass attempts (35.3 per game) and got 63 pressures.

The 2015 Falcons faced 561 pass attempts (35 per game) and got 111 pressures.

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18 hours ago, Canadian Jesus said:

Shaq Lawson: Average athlete for an end position. Not a natural hip bender and will have to focus on keeping pad level lower to unlock his leverage potential. Shows obvious signs of fatigue as game wears on. At times, is too content to lean on blocks when play isnt run to his side rather than working to discard. Will have snaps where he seems more concerned with imposing his will on blocking rather than diagnosing the play. Does not have the bend or upper body flexion to be edge turner as pass rusher.

These windowlickers continue to think that throwing any defensive end at a pass rush problem will equate to more sacks, like d-linemen -- or defensive ends, specifically -- solely contribute to a defence's (11 players) pass rush. 

Keanu Neal

Will have to make business decisions regarding when to bang and when to simply tackle in order to save his body. "Hulk smash" playing style led to 15 missed or broken tackles in 2015. Can be wild in space skating past his target. Field awareness can be hit or miss in coverage. Will lose track of deep ball responsibility from time to time. Won't always turn and run early enough.

Draft Projection

Round 2

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28 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said:

Keanu Neal

Will have to make business decisions regarding when to bang and when to simply tackle in order to save his body. "Hulk smash" playing style led to 15 missed or broken tackles in 2015. Can be wild in space skating past his target. Field awareness can be hit or miss in coverage. Will lose track of deep ball responsibility from time to time. Won't always turn and run early enough.

Draft Projection

Round 2

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