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Obviously today shook up the draft with the trade up of the Rams for Titans#1 - at the end of the day, it does not really affect what the Falcons are doing at #17 - same players that would have been available before the trade will likely still be the same players thereafter.

  1. L.A. Rams(f/ Tenn) - Carson Wentz, QB - North Dakota State  - Fisher/Snead hoping he is the babe, the golden boy.
  2. Cleveland - Jared Goff, QB - California - heck, it would not surprise me if Browns are not even upset.  heard they might like Goff more anyway.
  3. San Diego - Laremy Tunsil, OT - Ole Miss - the big loser from the trade? Tunsil.  the big winner? Bolts - this is who Chargers would have taken if they had #1 overall
  4. Dallas - Jalen Ramsey, CB/S - FSU - the Defensive End spot is probably the bigger need but Ramsey is the bigger talent and Pokes stay true to their board.
  5. Jacksonville - Myles Jack, OLB - UCLA - should the knee get flagged on medical re-check, this could be Bosa with a mini-slide down board for Jack.
  6. Baltimore - DeForest Buckner, DE - Oregon - Ravens need to bring back some nasty to their defense as GOAT Lewis is retired and T-Sizzle is on his last legs
  7. San Francisco - Joey Bosa, DE - Ohio State - 2nd biggest loser in the Rams trade as Bosa slides a little as well.
  8. Philadelphia - Ezekiel Elliot, RB - Ohio State - Eagles stay true to the board and have a serious need at RB.
  9. Tampa Bay - Ronnie Stanley, OT - Notre Dame - this is simply a value play and Tampa needs to fortify O-Line for Crab-daddy.
  10. NY Giants - Vernon Hargreaves, CB - Florida - Giants only have two viable corners  and grab the best one in the draft here. (i know many will disagree here)
  11. Chicago Bears - Jarran Reed, DT - Alabama - Bears  looking for runstoppers and are super thin at 3-4 DE. (i know many will disagree here)
  12. New Orleans Saints - Sheldon Rankins, DT - Louisville - Saints need help up front and see Rankins as a front-line starter and passrusher
  13. Miami Dolphins - William Jackson, CB - Houston - good-sized corner - weakest area on Dolphins team right now.
  14. Oakland Raiders - A'Shawn Robinson, DT - Alabama - Raiders like big guys with upside and A'Shawn fits the bill.
  15. Tennessee Titans(f/ Rams) - Jack Conklin, OT - Michigan State - prototype nasty offensive tackle that can play either side.  Mariotta has his protection now.
  16. Detroit Lions - Taylor Decker, OT Ohio State - Obviously WR is a huge need but there is no value in taking the receivers here as there is no WR worthy of first round.
  17. Atlanta Falcons - Shaq Lawson, DE Clemson - this is the dream scenario for the Falcons as Shaq, Leonard Floyd and Darron Lee - the three highest rated players that were likely to fall to them - all fall to #17 overall.   While many will rightfully argue that Floyd and Lee fill the bigger need - Lawson is the best player with the highest floor of the three and will just be a menace.  He is also equally adept at both run-stopping and passrushing.   Shaq also brings a toughnes that neither Floyd nor Lee can add.  Speed will have to come with the remaining picks.  Falcons cannot miss on this pick and Shaq is the sure thing.  His ceiling might be lower, but he will not be a bust.

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STRENGTHS: Lawson's compact frame and power make him equally effective against the run and the pass, where he shows surprising initial quickness and agility as well as a terrific motor. He has quick, strong hands to create push with his upper-body strength, showing the fluid lower body to drive his legs and smoothly change directions based on his reads.

Lawson is terrific leveraging blocks off the edge, using an iron shoulder and natural body flexibility to dictate his path and beat single blocks. Does a nice job setting the edge and playing contain, working off his blocks to the outside and finishing in space.

WEAKNESSES: Lawson needs to do a better job with his recoil to reset and react to inside runs.

COMPARES TO: Pernell McPhee, Chicago Bears - Like McPhee, Lawson lacks ideal height and length, but both are well built with violent hands, ball awareness and versatility. Only one season as a starter.

IN OUR VIEW: Lawson's heavy hands allow him to stack and hold his side of the line of scrimmage. He is a power player with the lower body athleticism to be equally dominant against the run and the pass, putting his draft value in the early rounds.

#2-050)  Atlanta Falcons - S'ua Cravens, SS/WLB - USC - I have changed my mind on Cravens not dropping to #50.  I actually believe he will be available at this spot now.  I also cannot decide if Falcons would prefer Cravens as safety or linebacker.  Frankly, I don't believe it matters in this sense - he can play either - he is a true hybrid player and Dan Quinn will embrace this and find creative ways to "feature him" - Quinn loves to use the word "feature" like Smitty loved the word "process".

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#3-081) Atlanta Falcons - Deion Jones, WLB - LSUhas a little more speed than Cravens.  Both will be great nickel players and would be on the field in nickel/dime situations.  Suddenly we go from one of the poorest teams in NFL covering backs and tight ends - to one of the best.

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#4-115) Atlanta Falcons - Nick Vannett, TE - Ohio StateNot sure if Vannett will last this long.  I know the Falcons have looked at the Tight Ends heavily including Austin Hooper.  

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7th rd) Atlanta Falcons - Joe Dahl, OG - Washington State Dahl may not last this long but Falcons are gonna take some type of ZBS guard or offensive tackle to convert to guard here.  That is how I see it.

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Falcons have shown at least some level of interest in all of these guys.   Another name to not let sneak up on you is safety Justin Simmons out of Boston College.  He is a long safety and has been on a visit to the Branch.   While I confess to wanting both Shaq and S'ua as my favorite players in this draft - I actually approached this from who I believe the Falcons would take moreso than my own feelings - especially with picks in 3rd, 4th and 7th rounds.

At the end of the day, I would be thrilled with this draft.  I know many don't like the fit with Lawson because they say he is too similiar to Derrick Shelby.  I see a team that believes in rotations and on 1st and 10 I see Shelby on one side and Shaq on the other with Beasley kicking to linebacker or resting on first downs.  On obvious passing downs, I see a front 4 of Beasley-DE, Jarrett-DT, Shelby-DT, Lawson-DE.   I see those four causing a lot of pain for offensive lines and much more push from the inside than in the past.  "Yes I know I am leaving out Adrian Clayborn here" but I think Clayborn will also be a rotational player.

S'ua Cravens is like the "queen" piece in chess - you can move him all over the board and that is exactly what Quinn will do.  Mike Smith wouldn't have a clue what to do with a versatile chess piece like Cravens but Quinn will use him to create mis-matches and as a blitzer.

Deion Jones will start his career as a WLB and probably more of just a specialist nickel backer to begin his career.  As he gets stronger and bigger, he will be more of an everyday starter.

Vannett will be an apprentice his first year but can combine the catching of Tamme with the blocking of Toilolo and he would be an eventual starter.   Dahl would be a starter in future years as well.

 

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1 minute ago, Green Ranger said:

Shaq is gonna go higher than 17 I believe, but I think we need a linebacker.

The danger zone for Shaq Lawson coming off the board is:

#10) NY Giants

#11) Chicago Bears

#12) Saints

You can make an argument there is a bigger need for each team than Defensive end.  For Bears, they run a 3-4 and Lawson is not athletic enough to be a stand-up 3-4 OLB and not long enough to be a 3-4 D-End.

So that leaves the Giants and Saints and the Giants have more pressing needs in secondary and Offensive Line and Saints could absolutely take Shaq but I see D-Tackle the more pressing need and probably the higher rated prospect (Rankins) goes there.

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Just now, g-dawg said:

The danger zone for Shaq Lawson coming off the board is:

#10) NY Giants

#11) Chicago Bears

#12) Saints

You can make an argument there is a bigger need for each team than Defensive end.  For Bears, they run a 3-4 and Lawson is not athletic enough to be a stand-up 3-4 OLB and not long enough to be a 3-4 D-End.

So that leaves the Giants and Saints and the Giants have more pressing needs in secondary and Offensive Line and Saints could absolutely take Shaq but I see D-Tackle the more pressing need and probably the higher rated prospect (Rankins) goes there.

I hit reply before I was finished by accident, just so you know.

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2 minutes ago, mumblesjr,jr said:

seriously though, lawson,floyd or lee at 17 would be great. loving this mock g

thanks.   If Cravens makes it to #50, I am gonna owe Larry something - he said he would make it and I said he would not - now I am starting to think Cravens will be there at #50 - even though - if he is, not certain that Quinn will pull the tag off the board.

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Could see the draft breaking this way- be like a couple of years ago when Mack went a pick earlier- almost had Mack and Matthews available with the same pick, who would they have chosen?

Thing is, same reasoning for taking Cravens at 50- his versatility and ability to play all over the field- wouldn't the same reasoning apply to Floyd at 17? You obviously wouldn't like it, but having two "queens" on the board at once would be something Quinn couldtake advantage of.

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2 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Could see the draft breaking this way- be like a couple of years ago when Mack went a pick earlier- almost had Mack and Matthews available with the same pick, who would they have chosen?

Thing is, same reasoning for taking Cravens at 50- his versatility and ability to play all over the field- wouldn't the same reasoning apply to Floyd at 17? You obviously wouldn't like it, but having two "queens" on the board at once would be something Quinn couldtake advantage of.

true, but Floyd has not made near as many plays as Cravens.  I have watched Leonard Floyd for 3 years and a lot of games - he flashes and has splash plays but he is not a consistent playmaker - and that was on college level where his lack of stoutness did not matter as much.  I see him struggling to make the transition to the NFL.

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If we walked away with that draft I would be dumbfounded with Joy.... The defensive overhaul from 2 years ago would be a pretty big jump as far as athletic talent.

 

I would be pretty secure with this LB group if that was the case

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41 minutes ago, texasfalconfan said:

I heard Daniel Jeremiah say yesterday that teams are concerned about shaqs shoulder and that he will probably drop maybe even to the 2nd round

I remember last year everyone was talking about Leonard Williams shoulder - and he dropped from #3 to #7.  Floyd's not dropping to the 2nd round - nope, I don't believe it.

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