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Socialism is still really unpopular in the United States

It has long struck me as puzzling that Bernie Sanders refers to his ideology — which I would characterize as social democracy or even just welfare state liberalism — asdemocratic socialism, a politically loaded term that seems to imply policy commitments Sanders hasn't made to things like government ownership of major industries.

In the context of the Democratic primary, the socialist branding seems to have offered Sanders some upside — both branding him as more than just another politician and earning him enthusiastic support from a number of politically engaged people who seem to really be socialists and who have poured their scorn for liberals and liberalism into a drumbeat of criticisms of Hillary Clinton.

Against this, though, one has to weigh the reality that socialism is really unpopular in the United States.

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Any form of left-of-center politics in the United States, frankly, is going to have a problem with the fact that "the federal government" is viewed so much less favorably than cuddly targets like "small business," "entrepreneurs," and "free enterprise." Even big business does better than the federal government. And both big business and capitalism do far better than socialism.

This is one of several reasons Democratic Party leaders, including superdelegates, are largely unmoved by arguments grounded in current head-to-head polling matchups that show Sanders doing even better versus Trump than Clinton does: A race that could be framed as a choice between capitalism and socialism would be very unfavorable terrain for the Democratic nominee.

Indeed, Sanders himself seems implicitly aware of this and is always quick to say that by "socialism" he means something like the kind of expansive welfare state that exists in Denmark. The Nordic social model really does have a lot to recommend itself, but it's not generally regarded to be socialism — large, private business corporations owned by shareholders, including by Denmark's prime minister and other relevant figures, are a very prominent aspect of Danish economic life.

All in all, it's a good reminder that despite Sanders's unexpectedly strong performance in the Democratic primaries, the concept of socialism remains strikingly unpopular among the larger electorate.

 
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I'm voting for trump because nothing is worse than Hillary!!! 

Oh really? Let's count these out. 

1. Wanted to ban muslims

2. Wants to deport all illegals no questions asked. 

3. Wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it...

4. Can't name three functions of government. 

5. Multiple disrespectful comments towards women points to a real problem. 

6. Openly argued for the murder of terrorists family members. 

I'll stop there, but we all know that list could go at least 20 deep. How is that better than anyone? I don't like Hillary either, but to say trump is better? What now? Unless you think Hillary is Stalin, I can't see the logic behind this. 

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On 5/17/2016 at 3:53 PM, Free Radical said:

Are Norway, Denmark, Finland, or Sweden socialist countries that operate the same way Venezuela does? Are they same as the old USSR or Cuba? 

If you want to adopt the nordic model in the US, I think people need to stop trying to salvage socialism and just call it what it is. It is social democracy. 

According to forbes, We are the 22nd business friendly country, while the top 10 is filled with nordic countries like Denmark(1), Finland(5), Sweden(6), etc. 

That is what I was arguing in this thread. Socialism is unpopular and trying to save it is silly. Just move on from the term and continue to advocate for social democracy. 

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1 hour ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

What do things cost in socialist paradise now?

Hamburger $170

Movie tickets $875

Hotel room  $6,900 a night

 

Still waiting on the first person on this board who has ever wanted to emulate Venezuela.

So I'm going to assume this is like RC, where you're just posting **** because you like reading your own posts.

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5 hours ago, Free Radical said:

 

Still waiting on the first person on this board who has ever wanted to emulate Venezuela.

So I'm going to assume this is like RC, where you're just posting **** because you like reading your own posts.

You're right, no one has said it.  What, you want the two day work week?  They don't have beer, I''m out.  You act as though I'm posting false information here?  If you're short on money I'll pay your passage there for you.  

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17 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

You're right, no one has said it.  What, you want the two day work week?  They don't have beer, I''m out.  You act as though I'm posting false information here?  If you're short on money I'll pay your passage there for you.  

Someone care to translate this gibberish? 

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19 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

You're right, no one has said it.  What, you want the two day work week?  They don't have beer, I''m out.  You act as though I'm posting false information here?  If you're short on money I'll pay your passage there for you.  

Wfw are you ok?

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