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4 minutes ago, Dago 3.0 said:

and you think this is the result of their political and economic system?

Strong social safety net, public education and healthcare, pro labour union, high rates of public spending done the right way, low corruption, and on and on and on. 

I'm not dogmatic about this stuff. I'm looking at what this country needs to improve on, looking at countries that are doing exceedingly well in areas we've done poorly with, and simply asking why we shouldn't emulate what they've done to lead to such success. Switzerland, the Nordic countries, Japan, etc. all have numerous areas where they do better than us in a variety of ways. Yet whenever it comes down to what we can do to emulate them, all you hear is bleating ******** cries of "SHOSHOLISMS" and references to countries that are ****** in a thousand other ways like Venezuela as to why we can't improve. 

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It's always like this.  I like this thing *pick best country to say it will work*. It won't work *pick countries where idea doesn't work*.   We can do this with capitalism too...  All the countries in Africa that have been ruined by misguided capitalism...  Oh and then your going to talk about corrupt officials?!  Haha... Well wth is going on here.

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1 minute ago, Free Radical said:

Strong social safety net, public education and healthcare, pro labour union, high rates of public spending done the right way, low corruption, and on and on and on. 

I'm not dogmatic about this stuff. I'm looking at what this country needs to improve on, looking at countries that are doing exceedingly well in areas we've done poorly with, and simply asking why we shouldn't emulate what they've done to lead to such success. Switzerland, the Nordic countries, Japan, etc. all have numerous areas where they do better than us in a variety of ways. Yet whenever it comes down to what we can do to emulate them, all you hear is bleating ******** cries of "SHOSHOLISMS" and references to countries that are ****** in a thousand other ways like Venezuela as to why we can't improve. 

I understand and please don't think I am one of those AMURICA **** YES people

I just think that maybe it has more to do with the attitude of the society in general than any particular political or economic dogma

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18 minutes ago, lostone said:

It's always like this.  I like this thing *pick best country to say it will work*. It won't work *pick countries where idea doesn't work*.   We can do this with capitalism too...  All the countries in Africa that have been ruined by misguided capitalism...  Oh and then your going to talk about corrupt officials?!  Haha... Well wth is going on here.

Well then pick the best socialist country. Welfare state != socialism. I am more than happy to hear what the best socialist country is. 

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1 hour ago, Dago 3.0 said:

I understand and please don't think I am one of those AMURICA **** YES people

I just think that maybe it has more to do with the attitude of the society in general than any particular political or economic dogma

That's the point though, the Nordic model isn't dogmatic, it's pragmatic in mindset, with the focus being on what benefits the people as a collective. It's capitalism regulated correctly, rather than regulated for the benefit of the oligarchy. They manage to pull off free education and quality universal healthcare while still generating wealth, socioeconomic upward mobility, and economic freedom. They've proven it is possible, and they did it through a pragmatic process of looking at how to accomplish things intelligently rather than blind dogmatic principles. 

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All those that want to move and live in a Nordic country raise your hand...

The American’s Left’s blond-haired, blue-eyed fantasyland The curious task of the American Left is to eliminate “white privilege” by forcing people to adopt Nordic social arrangements at gunpoint.

Progressives have a longstanding love affair with the nations of northern Europe, which are, or in some cases were until the day before yesterday, ethnically homogeneous, overwhelmingly white, hostile to immigration, nationalistic, and frankly racist in much of their domestic policy.

In this the so-called progressives are joined, as they traditionally have been, by brutish white supremacists and knuckle-dragging anti-Semites, who believe that they discern within the Nordic peoples the last remnant of white European purity and who frequently adopt Nordic icons and myths, incorporating them into an oddball cult of whiteness. American progressivism is a cult of whiteness, too: It imagines re-creating Danish society in Los Angeles, which is not full of Danish people, ascribing to Scandinavian social policies certain mystical tendencies that render them universal in their applicability. Call it “Nordic Exceptionalism.”

The Left occasionally indulges in bouts of romantic exoticism — its pin-ups have included Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Mao Zedong; we might even count Benito Mussolini, “that admirable Italian gentleman” who would not have been counted sufficiently white to join Franklin Roosevelt’s country club — but the welfare states that progressives dream about are the whitest ones: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. The significance of this never quite seems to occur to progressives. When it is suggested that the central-planning, welfare-statist policies that they favor are bound to produce results familiar to the unhappy residents of, e.g., Cuba, Venezuela, or Bolivia — privation, chaos, repression, political violence — American progressives reliably reply: “No, no, we don’t want that kind of socialism. We want socialism like they have it in Finland.” Translation: “We want white socialism, not brown socialism!”

The real differences between relatively homogeneous northern European societies and the sort of society we have here in the United States is rarely if ever seriously addressed by our democratic socialist friends. The unspoken assumption — that all of us will either learn to behave like good little Scandinavians or be enemies of the state in this new metaphysically blond utopia — is, as our feminist friends like to say, problematic. 

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420877/socialism-left-white

 

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4 hours ago, Free Radical said:

Once you take away the bogeyman for the far-right loons on this board, they quickly run out of gas. Dead civilians, dead children, dead soldiers, and a constant mindset of siege on their ideals is what drives the far-right. This is why the far-right loves terrorist attacks, school shootings, and pedophiles.

Bernie has spooked the hillbots into far right anti socialist fear as well. 

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8 minutes ago, Joremarid said:

Bernie has spooked the hillbots into far right anti socialist fear as well. 

PM of Denmark would like to have a word with you.

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Speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen told students that he had “absolutely no wish to interfere the presidential debate in the US” but nonetheless attempted to set the record straight about his country. 
 
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.
 
“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added. 

Sorry BernieBros. Nordic model is not socialism. And more people would support your cause if you had better ideas.  Whose bright idea was it to have a tax on wall street speculation. turrible.

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40 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

PM of Denmark would like to have a word with you.

Sorry BernieBros. Nordic model is not socialism. And more people would support your cause if you had better ideas.  Whose bright idea was it to have a tax on wall street speculation. turrible.

Not a bernie supporter though so. Would vote for him over who we have left all day long though but that speaks more to hillary and trump then bernie.

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1 minute ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

I assumed you meant they were scared and would go over to Trump.

No. I meant the anti socialism fear mongering (not valid criticism or political discourse, but fear mongering) is no longer exclusively a far right thing.  It's spread to the hillary supporters. And I'm not a bernie supporter at all.

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2 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

All those that want to move and live in a Nordic country raise your hand...

The American’s Left’s blond-haired, blue-eyed fantasyland The curious task of the American Left is to eliminate “white privilege” by forcing people to adopt Nordic social arrangements at gunpoint.

Progressives have a longstanding love affair with the nations of northern Europe, which are, or in some cases were until the day before yesterday, ethnically homogeneous, overwhelmingly white, hostile to immigration, nationalistic, and frankly racist in much of their domestic policy.

In this the so-called progressives are joined, as they traditionally have been, by brutish white supremacists and knuckle-dragging anti-Semites, who believe that they discern within the Nordic peoples the last remnant of white European purity and who frequently adopt Nordic icons and myths, incorporating them into an oddball cult of whiteness. American progressivism is a cult of whiteness, too: It imagines re-creating Danish society in Los Angeles, which is not full of Danish people, ascribing to Scandinavian social policies certain mystical tendencies that render them universal in their applicability. Call it “Nordic Exceptionalism.”

The Left occasionally indulges in bouts of romantic exoticism — its pin-ups have included Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Mao Zedong; we might even count Benito Mussolini, “that admirable Italian gentleman” who would not have been counted sufficiently white to join Franklin Roosevelt’s country club — but the welfare states that progressives dream about are the whitest ones: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. The significance of this never quite seems to occur to progressives. When it is suggested that the central-planning, welfare-statist policies that they favor are bound to produce results familiar to the unhappy residents of, e.g., Cuba, Venezuela, or Bolivia — privation, chaos, repression, political violence — American progressives reliably reply: “No, no, we don’t want that kind of socialism. We want socialism like they have it in Finland.” Translation: “We want white socialism, not brown socialism!”

The real differences between relatively homogeneous northern European societies and the sort of society we have here in the United States is rarely if ever seriously addressed by our democratic socialist friends. The unspoken assumption — that all of us will either learn to behave like good little Scandinavians or be enemies of the state in this new metaphysically blond utopia — is, as our feminist friends like to say, problematic. 

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420877/socialism-left-white

So the United States can't emulate the Nordic model because there are too many dark skinned people in this country? Awesome racism bro. 

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10 hours ago, Joremarid said:

No. I meant the anti socialism fear mongering (not valid criticism or political discourse, but fear mongering) is no longer exclusively a far right thing.  It's spread to the hillary supporters. And I'm not a bernie supporter at all.

Fear mongering has never been exclusive to one party.  

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Look, WFW has a very black and white world view.  Everything is an absolute and no grey at all.  It's all or nothing.  It's an old way of thinking and I hope it goes away.  It turns off thinking and relies on talking points.  I would like to look at how to merge the best of different types of government to make decisions not just blindly turn off based on a label.  That is very obtuse.

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1 hour ago, Free Radical said:

Still waiting for a reason we can't emulate the Nordic model other than the fact that they're mostly white nations. :rolleyes:

 

1 hour ago, lostone said:

Look, WFW has a very black and white world view.  Everything is an absolute and no grey at all.  It's all or nothing.  It's an old way of thinking and I hope it goes away.  It turns off thinking and relies on talking points.  I would like to look at how to merge the best of different types of government to make decisions not just blindly turn off based on a label.  That is very obtuse.

Still waiting for those among us who like other countries so much to go ahead and take the plunge and renounce their US citizenship.  Might be the best thing that ever happened to some of you.  What is holding you guys back?

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