falconcrest58 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, MD-FalconFan13 said: Weren't you the sane guy who "Loved" or FA picks in one thread only to bash them in this one. Now you hate them. Wow the emotions in this board are ridiculous. Let's at least give the man a few off seasons to build a lasting defense. I saw a vastly improved team defensively last year. What were you seeing. Give him time. Give TD a season or two? If you meant DQ I agree, but what if you had a real gm acquiring some quality defensive talent. TDS had 9 yrs...how much longer does he need to prove he can't do it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outmyfalconmind Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Falconsfan567 said: Because we've done so great in the draft the last 8 years? How many linebackers has this franchise drafted in the last 8 years? How many did anything in the NFL? Woah woah woah. your first words were "Dan Quinn" therefore the past 8 years of drafting no longer matter... I'm not entirely sure what it is that set you off, but this FO has done quite well with filling enough holes to set us up for the draft... Money can't be expressed in the argument due to how little freeman made (assuming that's what you're ranting about). If you can't see that, then get on board with a team that you believe is setting themselves up for success! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I'm new to the forums but have followed the Falcons for almost 20 years now so new and moderate tenure respectively... But what I've realized from my short time on the forums is that the expectations vs reality of the way the world works within the NFL, esp supply and demand of an NFL team, is so vastly skewed to the former, feelings like those in the original post are going to continue to be the norm... and man it's frustrating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Falconsfan567 said: None of them are linebackers. We could have easily afford Trevathan or Freeman. But it appears that we're dead set on bringing in a linebacker worse than Worrilow at this point in his career. I really don't want Reggie Ragland at 17 either because I don't think he brings all that more pass defense game than Worrilow does. He would be an improvement in the run game but no way I would take him over a plethora of guys that early in the 1st round. I could be dead wrong and just not see it perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Leggggggo said: I'm new to the forums but have followed the Falcons for almost 20 years now so new and moderate tenure respectively... But what I've realized from my short time on the forums is that the expectations vs reality of the way the world works within the NFL, esp supply and demand of an NFL team, is so vastly skewed to the former, feelings like those in the original post are going to continue to be the norm... and man it's frustrating... A lot of words there bro but not much substance...to make a long story short TD has NOT produced but one playoff win in 8 yrs and never a legitimate pass rusher. Nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I was kinda disappointed that we didnt sign Travathan but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, falconcrest58 said: A lot of words there bro but not much substance...to make a long story short TD has NOT produced but one playoff win in 8 yrs and never a legitimate pass rusher. Nuff said Ok, substance. Technically there will be 31 losers every year. The parity that has been added to the NFL by way of the salary cap and rookie contracts being basically predetermined allow for teams like the Panthers to go from a losing record to almost perfect record in 1 year. The difference between elite players and mediocre players is half seconds and half inches, and you have 31 other teams competing for those same elite players often times with outside influencers at play (income tax, family location, etc) as well as the team you rep. I could keep going but I hope you get my point... If your expectation is to that a team should be able to hit a home run every off season, you're delusional, or a Patriots fan. I think of it the same way as people who go gambling and expect to win even though they know the house has odds on every single bet they make. You look at it as only one playoff win. I look at it as a lot of winning record seasons and only 3 years removed from the NFCCG and a few yards from a SB trip... I bet there are a lot of franchises out there that would take our past 10 years over their past ten years any day of the week... (Brown, Raiders, Rams, etc). Edited March 12, 2016 by Leggggggo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apl2g Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Falconsfan567 said: Did Trevathan and Freeman even visit? How do we know the Falcons didn't ask for a visit but these guys turned them down? And how many of these free agents signed without visiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, Outmyfalconmind said: Woah woah woah. your first words were "Dan Quinn" therefore the past 8 years of drafting no longer matter... I'm not entirely sure what it is that set you off, but this FO has done quite well with filling enough holes to set us up for the draft... Money can't be expressed in the argument due to how little freeman made (assuming that's what you're ranting about). If you can't see that, then get on board with a team that you believe is setting themselves up for success! This thread is about the Falcons not improving the worst part of our team, our linebackers, when it would have been really easy to do because the money handed out was next to nothing. But then they turn around and got no problem handing out $14M guaranteed to a bum like Sanu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, apl2g said: How do we know the Falcons didn't ask for a visit but these guys turned them down? And how many of these free agents signed without visiting? You're right. I don't know that. 36 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said: I really don't want Reggie Ragland at 17 either because I don't think he brings all that more pass defense game than Worrilow does. He would be an improvement in the run game but no way I would take him over a plethora of guys that early in the 1st round. I could be dead wrong and just not see it perhaps. If I had to chose one of the linebackers in the first round it would be Darron Lee but right now he's weak against the run. He needs to build up some muscle and get stronger at the point of the attack. That is something that can definitely be addressed with an NFL workout program. He's got the most upside of the linebackers that we might have a shot at. Myles Jack is my favorite but he'll be long gone before we pick. Lee is a OLB though. We need a MLB but it appears that it might be James Lauranitis who isn't really an upgrade over Worrilow at this point in his career. Sean Weatherspoon can't stay on the field. Our linebackers appears to be complete trash and I don't see room for much improvement. Folks keep bitching about the pass rush and don't get that the reason the pass rush is so bad is because our linebackers are so bad. In order to get to the QB he's actually got to hold it longer than half a second. If guys are open immediately off the snap then you're not going to get a pass rush. I actually like the guys we've got along the DL, even though I don't know anything about Shelby. Both units have to work together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Look at me! Look at me! Look at ME!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan since 1968 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 We can always do what Falcon fans have been doing since 1966: Look forward to next year's draft and a possible high pick, and remember, Curtis Lofton is now available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, FentayeJones said: I was kinda disappointed that we didnt sign Travathan but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Freeman. Freeman actually posted better PFF numbers than Trevathan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 26 minutes ago, Leggggggo said: Ok, substance. Technically there will be 31 losers every year. The parity that has been added to the NFL by way of the salary cap and rookie contracts being basically predetermined allow for teams like the Panthers to go from a losing record to almost perfect record in 1 year. The difference between elite players and mediocre players is half seconds and half inches, and you have 31 other teams competing for those same elite players often times with outside influencers at play (income tax, family location, etc) as well as the team you rep. I could keep going but I hope you get my point... If your expectation is to that a team should be able to hit a home run every off season, you're delusional, or a Patriots fan. I think of it the same way as people who go gambling and expect to win even though they know the house has odds on every single bet they make. You look at it as only one playoff win. I look at it as a lot of winning record seasons and only 3 years removed from the NFCCG and a few yards from a SB trip... I bet there are a lot of franchises out there that would take our past 10 years over their past ten years any day of the week... (Brown, Raiders, Rams, etc). I'd take the 2016 Raiders over the 2016 Falcons in a nano second. That team is really good and really young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said: I'd take the 2016 Raiders over the 2016 Falcons in a nano second. That team is really good and really young. I agree, they do look really good... One or two key injuries though and they are still below .500... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 Just now, Leggggggo said: I agree, they do look really good... One or two key injuries though and they are still below .500... You can say that about any team except maybe the Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, fan since 1968 said: We can always do what Falcon fans have been doing since 1966: Look forward to next year's draft and a possible high pick, and remember, Curtis Lofton is now available. I'm tired of doing that. That is one of the points of my rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jesus said: Look at me! Look at me! Look at ME!!!! Jesus, why won't you help the Falcons to win the Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHost83 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Leggggggo said: I agree, they do look really good... One or two key injuries though and they are still below .500... Exact same thing can be said for us, without injuries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 You don't throw tantrums with a week in to FA about a 2016 team. I still see lot of problems but its too early to panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: It gets really tiring year after year after year after year after year trying to stay positive and super happy shiny blind homer about what the Falcons do or don't do. I'm tired of trying to justify why this team can't fix the same problems that have plagued this franchise for years. Pass rush and linebackers! C'mon Bro. 1.Survey the surroundings Pass Rush LBers the latter is still very fixable in the draft. 2.Pass Rush there are several teams who had more of a war chest than what we had end of the day for the most part a lot of these guys are there to get paid.We didn't have the cash to pony up and play at the deep end of the pool.I had a wish list like many but in all reality we were never going there. 3.I've always been of the addage it's foolish to try and fix the whole thing in a off season.We have chosen a clear path here if we get 2 LBers 1 being a pass rusher in the draft then the team still gets better. 2nd year in new HC new philosophy about how we're doing things Bro you got to hit the reset button and give them time.The biggest mistake I see is constant comparisons on what and where we were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 I know I'm catching all sorts of heIl for this rant but I do apologize for it. I'm normally a glass half full guy full of positives and trying to look at everything in a positive light. But dammit this franchise makes it hard to do that sometimes and that means I need to vent every now and then. But it's all good. I'll be rooting as hard as I always do come the first Sunday of the season. Never question my fandom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said: I know I'm catching all sorts of heIl for this rant but I do apologize for it. I'm normally a glass half full guy full of positives and trying to look at everything in a positive light. But dammit this franchise makes it hard to do that sometimes and that means I need to vent every now and then. But it's all good. I'll be rooting as hard as I always do come the first Sunday of the season. Never question my fandom. Questioning fandom over opinions is dumb. Now if you are rooting for other team against Falcons its a different story. Its understandable man, its not easy to be a long time Falcons fan. Just chill, its too early for what ifs in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, FentayeJones said: I was kinda disappointed that we didnt sign Travathan but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Freeman. Travathan is a little young though that why I prefer him, But truth be told we need to draft better so we wont have to chase FAs every off season. Almost every linebacker we have drafted recently has pretty much sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: None of them are linebackers. We could have easily afford Trevathan or Freeman. But it appears that we're dead set on bringing in a linebacker worse than Worrilow at this point in his career. This is stupid yes we could easily afford them,mostly your making it sound like we didn't pony the $$$$ up.End of the day they chose Chicago > the ATL how in gods name is this the FO's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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