malak07 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Look in Free Agency or Draft we obviously have a spot to fill at Wide Receiver but I'm not so sure it's a given the person filling that spot will be appointed or requested to be the #2 guy. If you look at all the excitement we had for Justin Hardy where we drafted him and his college career and then as season went on his role increased on the team. I feel it's very well possible that his growth in the offense could end up making him the #2 starter and a productive player in this offense. Let's not get to over the top on paying big $$$ to someone we want as #2 remember the main WR trait we needed is someone who could take the top off defenses as a deep threat those types don't have to your #2 guys. Edited March 9, 2016 by malak07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Hardy would likely have to be able to block on the outside and get off the line well to be a solid no. 2 in this offense. He'd be playing flanker, so he'd have some cushion against beating the jam, but Shanahan moved Julio around a lot, which means we need a pretty versatile no. 2 and a more dedicated slot no. 3. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying he isn't really prototypical for what you're looking for. Maybe the coaches see something, though. He's a great talent and a good addition, but I just never saw him as the no. 2 outside guy in this offense. Usually, you want someone bigger who can block and be a solid possession guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalist Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 They need to use that Roddy White cap money to get a proven WR... Hardy may be fine, but that should not be primary plan... FA is pissing me off so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I think Hardy is going to have a really good 2016 season. Even if Hardy is used as a possession guy, I think that he'll move the chains regularly. I'd be fine if we could find a fast slot guy that doubles as a returner as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 He won't have a shot, Its ALL his as of now! And honestly, even with finding a FA OR drafting a WR he will probably still be the second best receiver on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Maybe he can be. I'd rather fix WR2 and hope Hardy provides the "good problem" of having too many capable WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanghaiDirtyBird Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 minute ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: Maybe he can be. I'd rather fix WR2 and hope Hardy provides the "good problem" of having too many capable WRs. At his size, I assumed Hardy would be a slot receiver. I suppose your second best receiver could operate out of the slot. Edelman plays out of the slot. But I'd definitely like to get another tall receiver either in the draft or in free agency. Since we aren't throwing money after the big names, we should be able to at least afford Sanu. I could live with Sanu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I hope he does. Will be fun for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: Maybe he can be. I'd rather fix WR2 and hope Hardy provides the "good problem" of having too many capable WRs. Indeed. Given that you need at least 3 "2 or better" receivers, since WR rotate and are always getting knicked, we have to grab one. Going into the season with a 1, and the next best maybe being a 4 but hoping they're a 2 is a recipe for disaster. This offense is a decent OL, and a strong WR away from being a top 10 offense again. It's a couple of players, and they don't have to be great. So you need to fix that. Gotta make it so we win the games our D holds the other team under 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I don't think that any logical people think we are going to spend big $ or our first pick on a WR. At the same time, Hardy profiles better as a slot WR. I don't think he will be the full time #2. Obviously our WRs move around a decent amount so he may play in some 2 WR sets, but i fully expect us to add someone in Free Agency or in the first 4 rounds of the draft who will be considered the #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep2Julio Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'd rather him play outside than slot. I don't believe he's quick enough to create the mismatch problems we need to have at slot receiver. Though as an outside receiver running in and out routes, I think he has the potential to create separation on some plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let some people tell it....he can't catch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak07 Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 Just feel his positive growth last year in the offense and as noted the WRs move around alot in this offense and he may lineup in multiple spots. He has good route running skills, a knack for getting open and historically good hands. He may not be lined up always in the Outside spot but as far as Production I can easily see him being our #2 receiver in stats be a possession move the chains Wide-out. If we had a receiver with some size and ability to stretch the field without making a large commitment too ala the 6 million gave to Benjamin it's reasonable choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, malak07 said: Look in Free Agency or Draft we obviously have a spot to fill at Wide Receiver but I'm not so sure it's a given the person filling that spot will be appointed or requested to be the #2 guy. If you look at all the excitement we had for Justin Hardy where we drafted him and his college career and then as season went on his role increased on the team. I feel it's very well possible that his growth in the offense could end up making him the #2 starter and a productive player in this offense. Let's not get to over the top on paying big $$$ to someone we want as #2 remember the main WR trait we needed is someone who could take the top off defenses as a deep threat those types don't have to your #2 guys. You think? From not being active for over half the season to being a legitimate #2? Ok, if you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Flying Falcon said: You think? From not being active for over half the season to being a legitimate #2? Ok, if you say so. His whole premiss is flawed, he said the job of the #2is to take the top of the defense, Hardy does not have elite speed or size. Hardy spent half the season figuring out how to read a playbook, now he is expected to jump from the 5th option to the second. The Koolaid is sweet down here! Edited March 9, 2016 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, insight said: His whole premiss is flawed, he said the job of the #2is to take the top of the defense, Hardy does not have elite speed or size. Hardy spent half the season figuring out how to read a playbook, now he is expected to jump from the 5th option to the second. The Koolaid is sweet down here! Yep. Too Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold4425 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I don't know if he is ready yet. But I hope year number 2 he shows a lot of improvement. We get a legit#2 to go with JJ and hopefully improved Hardy and Tamme and Freeman we have a potent offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJC28 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I thank its the plan also Hardy unless they go with a high pick for a 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 NFL history is full of great receivers who were never big enough or fast enough to be a #1 or #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlshocker Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Hardy will do better than Roddy would have. BOOM ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak07 Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, insight said: His whole premiss is flawed, he said the job of the #2is to take the top of the defense, Hardy does not have elite speed or size. Hardy spent half the season figuring out how to read a playbook, now he is expected to jump from the 5th option to the second. The Koolaid is sweet down here! Perhaps you should take another look at what was stated I implied that the he has the ability to be the #2 Wideout on this team that he may line up in multiple spots but he would be able to put up solid #2 production totals. I then stated the only main element we need then is a receiver to take the top off the defense... that didn't mean that person would be the #2 target it meant we need someone with enough talent to make a impact in deep passing game and garner other teams attention.... Doesn't mean that guy is a 5+ million a year type Wideout that we have to go contribute large sums of money too or makes that guy a #2 Edited March 9, 2016 by malak07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 4 hours ago, malak07 said: Look in Free Agency or Draft we obviously have a spot to fill at Wide Receiver but I'm not so sure it's a given the person filling that spot will be appointed or requested to be the #2 guy. If you look at all the excitement we had for Justin Hardy where we drafted him and his college career and then as season went on his role increased on the team. I feel it's very well possible that his growth in the offense could end up making him the #2 starter and a productive player in this offense. Let's not get to over the top on paying big $$$ to someone we want as #2 remember the main WR trait we needed is someone who could take the top off defenses as a deep threat those types don't have to your #2 guys. At the end of the day, Hardy was a 4th round draft pick. There are no sure things with a 4th round draft pick. For all the balls he caught in college and the records he set, he couldn't catch a cold in preseason or the early part of the year. Harry Douglas was a 3rd round draft pick and for all the talk about him over the years, he was never really a starting caliber WR. 2013 was extremely good for him when Julio was out, but that was more of the exception vs being the rule. Last year wasn't good at all for him. I know the QB was young but did Tennessee think they were actually getting a starter? Hardy will ultimately have his chance to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, malak07 said: Perhaps you should take another look at what was stated I implied that the he has the ability to be the #2 Wideout on this team that he may line up in multiple spots but he would be able to put up solid #2 production totals. I then stated the only main element we need then is a receiver to take the top off the defense... that didn't mean that person would be the #2 target it meant we need someone with enough talent to make a impact in deep passing game and garner other teams attention.... Doesn't mean that guy is a 5+ million a year type Wideout that we have to go contribute large sums of money too or makes that guy a #2 Yep, I mis-read the main point you were making,my bad on that. In my opinion your point is valid I am not in favor of bringing in Sanu for 7mil if we could grab someone like Mike Wallance at 4.5 range. In Carolina Ted Ginn Jr's elite speed opened up there entire offense allowing them to still score once Benjamin went down. We don't have anyone on the roster who can do that. Edited March 9, 2016 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak07 Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 minute ago, insight said: Yep, I mis-read the main point you were making,my bad on that. In my opinion your point is valid I am not in favor of bringing in Sanu for 7mil if we could grab someone like Mike Wallance at 4.5 range. Ted Ginn Jr's elite speed opened up there entire offense allowing them to still score once Benjamin went down. We don't have anyone on the roster who can do that. Yeah Sanu at 7+ is too rich for me... good player would be solid here but not worth that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lod01 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 5 hours ago, Jesus said: NFL history is full of great receivers who were never big enough or fast enough to be a #1 or #2. Even if they use a high pick the job is Hardy's. No way any of these WRs coming out will be able to step into shanahan's O and instantly be a starter from day one. Same goes for any FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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