Worrilow and Schraeder recieve second round tenders

[AndySG]

I want to keep Schraeder but getting a second rounder and Schwartz would be a nice consolation. 

[Osiruz]

Do we still have kyle long on the roster?

[Kayoh]

I'm sorry but this is dumb. I don't see how you can risk one of the best RTs in the NFL for a mere 2nd round pick, especially in a class like this one where the OT talent is so top heavy, and our OT depth is nil.

That said, Worrilow isn't anywhere close to worth a 2nd round tender. Isn't the lowest tender you can make on an RFA a 3rd round tender? That's what it should have been, and even then you're basically saying "hey rest of the league, we don't want you to sign this guy" because that's still too high an asking price for a scrub like PW.

[*Old Pappy Falcon*]

So basically they ate the second batch of chicken today...............next!

[Sobeit]

13 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Ugh. 

I'm not even sure what you do with him. Move him to strong side on run downs? 

Thats an awful lot of cash for a reserve LB with limited physical abilities. 

I'd rather have let him walk and taken the chance at a comp pick. 

It is not Worrilow's physical abilities that are the problem he is very good athletically. Here is the a article with his pro day numbers and where he ranks.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2013/8/26/4659386/another-look-at-paul-worrilows-pro-day-numbers

His problem is that he seems to be a see them get them type that does not always keep himself clean. He does not seem like he would be a good fit on the strong side but I often wonder how he may do on the weak side where he can chase more.

If we got Irivin I think it would be worth a look with Irvin on the strong side, Reed in the middle and Paul on the weak side.

Edited March 8, 2016 by Sobeit

[LastFalconFan]

16 hours ago, AndySG said:

I want to keep Schraeder but getting a second rounder and Schwartz would be a nice consolation. 

Even if we lost them both, this could end up being a genius move.  Let someone take Worrilow, get a 2nd round pick and sign Laurinaitis.  AND possibly let someone take Schraeder, sign Scwartz and get another 2nd round pick?   If Scwartz is not the option then we match and sign Schraeder.  

We are short on picks to add future talent in the draft right now, this alleviates that, and with better players than would be available in the rounds we currently have no pick, and could upgrade 2 positions in the process through F/A...Where is there not logic in that?

[JD dirtybird21]

14 hours ago, Kayoh said:

I'm sorry but this is dumb. I don't see how you can risk one of the best RTs in the NFL for a mere 2nd round pick, especially in a class like this one where the OT talent is so top heavy, and our OT depth is nil.

That said, Worrilow isn't anywhere close to worth a 2nd round tender. Isn't the lowest tender you can make on an RFA a 3rd round tender? That's what it should have been, and even then you're basically saying "hey rest of the league, we don't want you to sign this guy" because that's still too high an asking price for a scrub like PW.

A 2nd round pick is pretty valuable. It would be a great consolation prize if someone signs Schraeder to a huge deal that overpays. Think about it, the Falcons get a 2nd round pick and can draft his replacement or sign a guy like Schwartz. You said yourself the talent is top heavy in the class this year.

[falconsd56]

18 hours ago, zekeyboy1 said:

Yeah, TD/Quinn are known for knocking it out of the park in rd 2..Collins is a BEAST...Konz is a STUD...Hageman is a MONSTER...And so forth. 

 

Lofton was a pretty **** good 2nd round pick

As was Willy Mo

and Hageman HAS shown  monster type ability.. it just has not translated game in and game out.. But we have seen him utterly dominate some  **** good interior offensive linemen

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

14 hours ago, Kayoh said:

I'm sorry but this is dumb. I don't see how you can risk one of the best RTs in the NFL for a mere 2nd round pick, especially in a class like this one where the OT talent is so top heavy, and our OT depth is nil.

That said, Worrilow isn't anywhere close to worth a 2nd round tender. Isn't the lowest tender you can make on an RFA a 3rd round tender? That's what it should have been, and even then you're basically saying "hey rest of the league, we don't want you to sign this guy" because that's still too high an asking price for a scrub like PW.

Original round tender is the lowest. In Worrilow's case, that means the Falcons would be reserving the right to match an offer sheet but would receive no compensation if they decided not to.

The Schraeder thing is fine. We'd have the option of matching any offers he received plus we'd have the opportunity to accumulate much-needed draft capital if he were to leave. If neither happens, we get a very good starter for $2.3m plus we get to explore a long term deal. 

[Pacific_Falcon]

23 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Ugh. 

I'm not even sure what you do with him. Move him to strong side on run downs? 

Thats an awful lot of cash for a reserve LB with limited physical abilities. 

I'd rather have let him walk and taken the chance at a comp pick. 

Maybe, and this may be giving too much credit to the FO, but just maybe they're hoping his tackle stats will bait some dumbazz into trying to sign him. As long as the Browns are in the NFL, anything can happen.

Most likely though our depth is so bad and they have other spots planned for draft picks, and figure they cant afford to lose a starting LB...even if he blows elephant dong on the field. Maybe they got into a decision to keep either Stupar or Sluggilow and went with the latter.

[Pacific_Falcon]

23 hours ago, MagnusXXIII said:

 

Coaches like him. Could be because his perceived underperformance is still due to having a limited supporting cast. 

Or it could be because he's a lumbering oaf. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

11 hours ago, Sobeit said:

It is not Worrilow's physical abilities that are the problem he is very good athletically. Here is the a article with his pro day numbers and where he ranks.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2013/8/26/4659386/another-look-at-paul-worrilows-pro-day-numbers

His problem is that he seems to be a see them get them type that does not always keep himself clean. He does not seem like he would be a good fit on the strong side but I often wonder how he may do on the weak side where he can chase more.

If we got Irivin I think it would be worth a look with Irvin on the strong side, Reed in the middle and Paul on the weak side.

I think theres a big difference between one's testable measurements and one's actual functional athleticism. Worrilow has little functional athleticism. He gets overpowered at the point of attack consistently. He struggles (badly) in space. 30 reps on the bench is terrific but if it doesnt translate to the field, its not very useful. Thats PW's issue, IMO. 

[Flying Falcon]

11 hours ago, Sobeit said:

It is not Worrilow's physical abilities that are the problem he is very good athletically. Here is the a article with his pro day numbers and where he ranks.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2013/8/26/4659386/another-look-at-paul-worrilows-pro-day-numbers

His problem is that he seems to be a see them get them type that does not always keep himself clean. He does not seem like he would be a good fit on the strong side but I often wonder how he may do on the weak side where he can chase more.

If we got Irivin I think it would be worth a look with Irvin on the strong side, Reed in the middle and Paul on the weak side.

NOBODY cares about his pro day numbers or rank from back then.  Where in the hades did he rank last year? How did he play last year and the year before that in the Pros? That's the only thing that matters. Apologists are the worst.

[Sobeit]

7 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

I think theres a big difference between one's testable measurements and one's actual functional athleticism. Worrilow has little functional athleticism. He gets overpowered at the point of attack consistently. He struggles (badly) in space. 30 reps on the bench is terrific but if it doesnt translate to the field, its not very useful. Thats PW's issue, IMO. 

It is not translating to the field at MLB that is a lot different than playing WLB. There can be a lot of reasons you do not see the athleticism but it is certainly not because he does not have any. With that said he was a undrafted FA from Deleware entering his 4th year. This is the year he should really start to get it if he is going to.

We look at this differently functional athleticism is what allows you to run fast, jump high, and far, move fluidly, change directions quickly. It is something apart from athleticism that makes good football players. That is why there has been good ones that were sub par athletes.

He put up decent numbers this year for a UDFA in his third year playing in a new scheme. Granted he is not a game changer at LBer but he is a decent player on what has been a pretty bad defense over the last 3 years. Every player can not be a game changer and FA is not the best place to look for those guys. Evidently someone thinks like me and that he is atleast worth keeping around for one more year on this defense. I'm still hoping to see him at WLB some because it may play to more of his strengths, but I could be wrong about that and he is better suited for the middle but I do not think it is the case. I think we have been kind of forced to keep him there but we will see.

[Sobeit]

8 hours ago, Flying Falcon said:

NOBODY cares about his pro day numbers or rank from back then.  Where in the hades did he rank last year? How did he play last year and the year before that in the Pros? That's the only thing that matters. Apologists are the worst.

Were you crying when you wrote this?

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

2 hours ago, Sobeit said:

It is not translating to the field at MLB that is a lot different than playing WLB. There can be a lot of reasons you do not see the athleticism but it is certainly not because he does not have any. With that said he was a undrafted FA from Deleware entering his 4th year. This is the year he should really start to get it if he is going to.

We look at this differently functional athleticism is what allows you to run fast, jump high, and far, move fluidly, change directions quickly. It is something apart from athleticism that makes good football players. That is why there has been good ones that were sub par athletes.

He put up decent numbers this year for a UDFA in his third year playing in a new scheme. Granted he is not a game changer at LBer but he is a decent player on what has been a pretty bad defense over the last 3 years. Every player can not be a game changer and FA is not the best place to look for those guys. Evidently someone thinks like me and that he is atleast worth keeping around for one more year on this defense. I'm still hoping to see him at WLB some because it may play to more of his strengths, but I could be wrong about that and he is better suited for the middle but I do not think it is the case. I think we have been kind of forced to keep him there but we will see.

Yeah we just have completely different views here. But thats cool. At least you've got a basis. I'll certainly hope you're right. Just don't see it at all.