My Favorite WR In The Draft

[Clark Kent™]

Cayleb Jones

6'3 209lbs

4.65 40yd Dash

I have no idea how this dude is not getting more attention. I love his size and the way he moves (smooth upright style reminds me of Demarco Murray). People are knocking his 40 yd dash which is somewhat understandable, but the dude gets open deep all the time. And he dominates running short slants. He makes tough catches. He is a good blocker and will often peel back looking to hit someone. He was arrested when he was at Texas in 2013 for aggravated assault reduced to a misdemeanor. Then transferred to Arizona and had no issues in 2 years that i have seen. He is being talked about as a late round guy, but i'd take him in the 3rd or 4th. He is going to be a steal. 

 

[Ben Day Hoe]

It felt like football season for a minute there watching the video. Thanks for posting it. Assuming we sign Travis Benjamin and cut Hester we still need another wide receiver. I love combing through potential UDFA's! Wonder if he is any good on special teams?

[Clark Kent™]

1 hour ago, Ben Day Hoe said:

It felt like football season for a minute there watching the video. Thanks for posting it. Assuming we sign Travis Benjamin and cut Hester we still need another wide receiver. I love combing through potential UDFA's! Wonder if he is any good on special teams?

I wonder the same thing. The fact that he is a big WR and plays pretty physical makes me think he could play ST's, but he really doesn't seem like the ST's type. He's a long strider and runs like a gazelle. Not to mention he isn't really a burner. 

 

Yeah and if we sign Benjamin we are gonna need a WR with some size besides Julio. Hardy, Weems, Williams are all 5'10 or shorter. 

[Abeasley27]

I will say this after watching the video, keep these little nuggets coming. I enjoy looking at new prospects and I also believe 100% there is a HUGE difference in track speed and football speed, I love football speed and I think he has it

[Ben Day Hoe]

Jones and Jones that would be hilarious. Jones comes in to give Jones a breather. TD Jones!

[Ben Day Hoe]

I'm Liking Jordan Payton from UCLA. He would really do all the things we would need to complement Julio in this offense. Not a blazer but definitely not slow with a 4.47 40 yard dash time at the combine. Runs great routes and has an NFL build. Fourth rounder at the earliest.

[Kayoh]

guessing he isn't getting attention because he isn't particularly fast, has tiny hands (9 1/4") and isn't particularly athletic. There's nothing really outstanding about him.

I think we need 2 receivers in this offseason, whether by draft or by FA. We need one big, strong, sure-handed possession guy that can block, help us move the sticks, and convert in the red zone. If we use the draft to fill this spot, the guy I'm hoping for is Stanford WR Devon Cajuste. 6'3 3/4, 234 lbs, nearly 11" hands, insanely shifty for a guy his size, just the whole package. Not the fastest guy but you don't need 4.3 speed when you're this big and know how to use your size to bring the ball down.

I also think we need a deep threat though. We need somebody to take the top off the defense and take some pressure off Julio deep. Guys I like in this class for this role are Corey Coleman, Sterling Shepherd, and honestly? Cal WR Trevor Davis. Any of those guys would be great deep threats for us to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off Julio.

[PapaJoe]

49 minutes ago, Kayoh said:

guessing he isn't getting attention because he isn't particularly fast, has tiny hands (9 1/4") and isn't particularly athletic. There's nothing really outstanding about him.

I think we need 2 receivers in this offseason, whether by draft or by FA. We need one big, strong, sure-handed possession guy that can block, help us move the sticks, and convert in the red zone. If we use the draft to fill this spot, the guy I'm hoping for is Stanford WR Devon Cajuste. 6'3 3/4, 234 lbs, nearly 11" hands, insanely shifty for a guy his size, just the whole package. Not the fastest guy but you don't need 4.3 speed when you're this big and know how to use your size to bring the ball down.

I also think we need a deep threat though. We need somebody to take the top off the defense and take some pressure off Julio deep. Guys I like in this class for this role are Corey Coleman, Sterling Shepherd, and honestly? Cal WR Trevor Davis. Any of those guys would be great deep threats for us to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off Julio.

I agree with your assessment and opinion Kayoh. I've done my own evaluations of the 'athletic measureables' of the 2016 Prospects and Cajuste is one of only a few WRs  of even of remote interest to me.  BTW...  the TE group is utter, complete garbage. Hunter Henry is just okay.

Cajuste, Shepard, Keyarris Garrett, T. Davis, M Moore, Braxton, Caroo, Coleman, and Doctson

[Clark Kent™]

1 hour ago, Kayoh said:

guessing he isn't getting attention because he isn't particularly fast, has tiny hands (9 1/4") and isn't particularly athletic. There's nothing really outstanding about him.

I think we need 2 receivers in this offseason, whether by draft or by FA. We need one big, strong, sure-handed possession guy that can block, help us move the sticks, and convert in the red zone. If we use the draft to fill this spot, the guy I'm hoping for is Stanford WR Devon Cajuste. 6'3 3/4, 234 lbs, nearly 11" hands, insanely shifty for a guy his size, just the whole package. Not the fastest guy but you don't need 4.3 speed when you're this big and know how to use your size to bring the ball down.

I also think we need a deep threat though. We need somebody to take the top off the defense and take some pressure off Julio deep. Guys I like in this class for this role are Corey Coleman, Sterling Shepherd, and honestly? Cal WR Trevor Davis. Any of those guys would be great deep threats for us to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off Julio.

The bolded describes Jones. He isn't particularly fast. His speed doesn't concern me because he gets open deep all the time. His hands don't concern me because he has never had a problem with being drop prone. 

 

I think we need to get 2 WRs as well. And i really like this WR class in the middle rounds. Demarcus Robinson could legitimately be the best WR in this entire class and because of character concerns, he won't be drafted until very late. He is probably my 3rd favorite WR in this class. Cayleb Jones, Shephard, and Robinson. If we can get one of these dudes i'll be extremely happy. 

[Ben Day Hoe]

16 hours ago, Kayoh said:

guessing he isn't getting attention because he isn't particularly fast, has tiny hands (9 1/4") and isn't particularly athletic. There's nothing really outstanding about him.

I think we need 2 receivers in this offseason, whether by draft or by FA. We need one big, strong, sure-handed possession guy that can block, help us move the sticks, and convert in the red zone. If we use the draft to fill this spot, the guy I'm hoping for is Stanford WR Devon Cajuste. 6'3 3/4, 234 lbs, nearly 11" hands, insanely shifty for a guy his size, just the whole package. Not the fastest guy but you don't need 4.3 speed when you're this big and know how to use your size to bring the ball down.

I also think we need a deep threat though. We need somebody to take the top off the defense and take some pressure off Julio deep. Guys I like in this class for this role are Corey Coleman, Sterling Shepherd, and honestly? Cal WR Trevor Davis. Any of those guys would be great deep threats for us to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off Julio.

Jones is a much better prospect than Cajuste. For such a big guy Cajuste projects as an H back TE. Only problem is he lacks the functional strength to block in the NFL. A paltry 12 reps on the bench press proves his lack of power at the combine. I was only 170lbs at his age and could press 20. This guy will be un-draftable in my opinion.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Ben Day Hoe

[King Jigsaw]

I hope Brown Bomber is paying attention to how you posted this thread lol.

 

I'll have to watch the video after breakfast. We definitely need another size guy if we can grab a speed guy in Free Agency.

[anewton]

you know what i came away fro that vid thinking....draft the Az TE.

[KRUNKuno]

Doctson by far is number 1 in my book.  A guy who is growing on me was his bookend Kolby Listenbee.  Good size, great speed, plays the deep ball well.

 

[Sobeit]

On 3/4/2016 at 6:11 PM, Kayoh said:

guessing he isn't getting attention because he isn't particularly fast, has tiny hands (9 1/4") and isn't particularly athletic. There's nothing really outstanding about him.

I think we need 2 receivers in this offseason, whether by draft or by FA. We need one big, strong, sure-handed possession guy that can block, help us move the sticks, and convert in the red zone. If we use the draft to fill this spot, the guy I'm hoping for is Stanford WR Devon Cajuste. 6'3 3/4, 234 lbs, nearly 11" hands, insanely shifty for a guy his size, just the whole package. Not the fastest guy but you don't need 4.3 speed when you're this big and know how to use your size to bring the ball down.

I also think we need a deep threat though. We need somebody to take the top off the defense and take some pressure off Julio deep. Guys I like in this class for this role are Corey Coleman, Sterling Shepherd, and honestly? Cal WR Trevor Davis. Any of those guys would be great deep threats for us to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off Julio.

I'm with you on Cajuste. If he can add bit more strength and become a better in line blocker he becomes a match-up nightmare.

[Draftnut57]

I'm a big Doctson fan.. I'm hoping we trade down twice , then draft Doctson ,, and have 6 more picks after getting Doctson.

 

[Money Lee]

Gimmie Cody Core from Ole Miss. 

[Kayoh]

On 3/5/2016 at 5:43 AM, Ben Day Hoe said:

Jones is a much better prospect than Cajuste. For such a big guy Cajuste projects as an H back TE. Only problem is he lacks the functional strength to block in the NFL. A paltry 12 reps on the bench press proves his lack of power at the combine. I was only 170lbs at his age and could press 20. This guy will be un-draftable in my opinion.

that's just ignorant imo. Combine testing can be very meaningful but I'd argue that bench press reps is the least meaningful of the bunch. Remember when Honey Badger did 3 reps and everybody was up in arms? He's all-world now. Odell Beckham Jr. did 7 reps. Cajuste projecting as an H back is something that his NFL.com draft profile states verbatim, why are you letting another website do your thinking for you? Cajuste is fast, sudden, and shifty enough to play WR in the NFL. As an H back his size becomes less of an asset than it would be if he was out on the edge as a WR or even in the slot. He's got everything you look for in a pure receiver - size, hand size, route running, ability to high point a ball, the only thing he's lacking is elite deep speed.

[DirtyBirdInThe610]

I'm starting to lean towards Will Fuller as my early round favorite but for the 3rd or 4th round I'm looking at De'Runnya Wilson I just need to see a better 40 time out of him at his pro day.

[Ben Day Hoe]

13 hours ago, Kayoh said:

that's just ignorant imo. Combine testing can be very meaningful but I'd argue that bench press reps is the least meaningful of the bunch. Remember when Honey Badger did 3 reps and everybody was up in arms? He's all-world now. Odell Beckham Jr. did 7 reps. Cajuste projecting as an H back is something that his NFL.com draft profile states verbatim, why are you letting another website do your thinking for you? Cajuste is fast, sudden, and shifty enough to play WR in the NFL. As an H back his size becomes less of an asset than it would be if he was out on the edge as a WR or even in the slot. He's got everything you look for in a pure receiver - size, hand size, route running, ability to high point a ball, the only thing he's lacking is elite deep speed.

I could easily say the same for you. You just go to the internet and quote a bunch of numbers and writings of other people. You are no scout. You are just as ignorant as anyone else on these boards but you can keep telling yourself that you have some special insight or abilities the rest of us here don't. The truth is you are a nobody. Cajuste is not going to even be drafted. Beckham and Honey Badger were both highly sought after prospects. Cajuste is largely a shot in the dark and not even considered in the top 20 at his position. Get over yourself ignoramus.

Edited March 7, 2016 by Ben Day Hoe

[King Jigsaw]

And they said I was hostile..

[Ben Day Hoe]

1 hour ago, King Jigsaw said:

And they said I was hostile..

Well when someone comes on here calling people ignorant they get what they deserve. He has a whole long post about the D-line prospects using a secret formula based on combine metrics. Then he has the audacity to say that the combine is useless in predicting quality players in the NFL. The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth.

[texasfalconfan]

I like this guy and I like tajae sharpe out of mass. What does everyone think of him?

[Kayoh]

6 hours ago, Ben Day Hoe said:

I could easily say the same for you. You just go to the internet and quote a bunch of numbers and writings of other people. You are no scout. You are just as ignorant as anyone else on these boards but you can keep telling yourself that you have some special insight or abilities the rest of us here don't. The truth is you are a nobody. Cajuste is not going to even be drafted. Beckham and Honey Badger were both highly sought after prospects. Cajuste is largely a shot in the dark and not even considered in the top 20 at his position. Get over yourself ignoramus.

>disagrees with someone
>attacks them personally

real nice guy you are.

2 hours ago, Ben Day Hoe said:

Well when someone comes on here calling people ignorant they get what they deserve. He has a whole long post about the D-line prospects using a secret formula based on combine metrics. Then he has the audacity to say that the combine is useless in predicting quality players in the NFL. The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth.

now you're working in absolutes? Wow. I never said the combine is useless in predicting quality players int he NFL. Find the quote where I say that. Never.

What I said, and I'll even do the leg work for you in finding the quote, was...

15 hours ago, Kayoh said:

Combine testing can be very meaningful but I'd argue that bench press reps is the least meaningful of the bunch.

Nice try at discrediting me, but when you work in absolutes it rarely works out.

Simply put, there are very few positions that bench press reps really have any meaning for. OLine I'll give you, but even then it depends on arm length. Interior DL too. In any cases you look at with bench press reps though, it's never a direct correlation to NFL success. It's not a situation where the more reps the guy puts up, the more likely he is to succeed. It's really just a cut off. If an offensive lineman with x arm length puts up fewer than y bench reps, it's cause for concern. I don't even know the exact numbers you'd plug in there, just because I don't really worry about the bench press metric, but I'm sure there's a pattern there. If you want to prove how useful bench press reps are for scouting a certain position, maybe you should put in as much work to create an algorithm as I have for scouting edge rushers. Maybe then, after you've poured a few dozen hours into coming up with a really effective formula that can accurately predict how good a chance a player has at being successful in the NFL, you can come back here and I can mock you for it, like what you're doing with me.

[Ben Day Hoe]

1 hour ago, Kayoh said:

>disagrees with someone
>attacks them personally

real nice guy you are.

now you're working in absolutes? Wow. I never said the combine is useless in predicting quality players int he NFL. Find the quote where I say that. Never.

What I said, and I'll even do the leg work for you in finding the quote, was...

Nice try at discrediting me, but when you work in absolutes it rarely works out.

Simply put, there are very few positions that bench press reps really have any meaning for. OLine I'll give you, but even then it depends on arm length. Interior DL too. In any cases you look at with bench press reps though, it's never a direct correlation to NFL success. It's not a situation where the more reps the guy puts up, the more likely he is to succeed. It's really just a cut off. If an offensive lineman with x arm length puts up fewer than y bench reps, it's cause for concern. I don't even know the exact numbers you'd plug in there, just because I don't really worry about the bench press metric, but I'm sure there's a pattern there. If you want to prove how useful bench press reps are for scouting a certain position, maybe you should put in as much work to create an algorithm as I have for scouting edge rushers. Maybe then, after you've poured a few dozen hours into coming up with a really effective formula that can accurately predict how good a chance a player has at being successful in the NFL, you can come back here and I can mock you for it, like what you're doing with me.

Your first words in reply to me were "that's just ignorant" so if you want to point fingers on being attacked on a personal level look in the mirror. Bench press is a great strength metric to use when evaluating a blocker. Just look at Konz. He was pathetic in that metric just like your boy Cajuste is. I wouldn't worry about it if he actually made an impact as a receiver anywhere in his career. Since hasn't shown any production that stands out at all and he is projected as an H back TE the bench press metric is at least an indicator that he doesn't have the strength to be an NFL blocking talent. Since that's all he is really projected to be and has shown no ability to be anything else-yeah he's going un-drafted and likely has no place on an NFL roster. Now go back to crunching numbers and acting like you are a scout so you can tell everyone how smart and informed you are.

[Kayoh]

1 hour ago, Ben Day Hoe said:

Your first words in reply to me were "that's just ignorant" so if you want to point fingers on being attacked on a personal level look in the mirror. Bench press is a great strength metric to use when evaluating a blocker. Just look at Konz. He was pathetic in that metric just like your boy Cajuste is. I wouldn't worry about it if he actually made an impact as a receiver anywhere in his career. Since hasn't shown any production that stands out at all and he is projected as an H back TE the bench press metric is at least an indicator that he doesn't have the strength to be an NFL blocking talent. Since that's all he is really projected to be and has shown no ability to be anything else-yeah he's going un-drafted and likely has no place on an NFL roster. Now go back to crunching numbers and acting like you are a scout so you can tell everyone how smart and informed you are.

you're being incredibly defensive. I never called you an ignorant person, just that one of your views was one I see as ignorant. There's a difference and you're making something personal that was never meant to be.

Konz is an offensive lineman. He also has the same length arms as Cajuste, but only got 6 more reps in. That's pretty sad. If Konz had longer arms it'd probably be more acceptable, but as it is Konz falls in a range where his bench numbers just aren't up to snuff.

Thing about that though, Cajuste isn't ever going to have to block a 350 pound NT. He'll be blocking guys like Josh Norman (14 reps), Charles Tillman (12 reps), Alterraun Verner (12 reps), and Brandon Browner (13 reps) in our division. Even the best CBs in the league (which Norman is one of) aren't bench stars. Revis put up 16, Chris Harris Jr put up 14, Patrick Peterson 15, everything is relative.