FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Fk that. We need a DE more than a SLB. Give me this guy for that kind of money: Add this one to the middle: Then draft this beast in the first: Add him to the middle in the second. Front seven fixed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRob215 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bobby.Digital said: Decent SLB lol. Can you name me 5 that are better than him? Not saying I'd pay him the 9.5-10 mil. But not let's underrate the guy. Why is he so great? Over his 3 seasons as a LB, he has averaged 38 tackles, 4.7 sacks, 1 INT, and 1 FF. Per PFF: "Irvin’s athleticism has allowed his role to evolve over the years with the Seahawks, and his run defense has improved at the same time. However, his per-snap pass-rushing productivity has dipped as he’s asked to do more in coverage; he still might be best suited as solely a pass rusher." He is a decent player who is as good as he's going to be. Not worth even close to 9.5 million per year. Edited March 3, 2016 by JRob215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconinPA Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 7 hours ago, g-dawg said: I hope Jags give him the money - I think $9.5mm for what you get from Irvin is a very poor investment. I am with you on this g-dawg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 8 hours ago, ATLFalcon36 said: I used to be super high on the Irvin tree and thought he was a "must have" this offseason, but looking at his stat line - just something is super underwhelming about him. For such a "pass rushing expert" as he's touted his sack numbers are pretty low. If Irvin is going to cost 9.5 I'd much rather give that money to Trevathan, who I think would help our defense a lot more. Both players have ties to R. Smith or DQ, but I think Trevathan would have a bigger impact than Irvin who has very low tackle and sack numbers. Yet again though, WHO has been referring to Irvin as a pass rushing expert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Fk that. We need a DE more than a SLB. Give me this guy for that kind of money: Add this one to the middle: Then draft this beast in the first: Add him to the middle in the second. Front seven fixed: I like all of these options. The only caveat I have is just how much cap Vernon will require. If he needs to be paid up there with Houston or Miller forget about it. If he will settle for below that I'll entertain it. I think people need to be careful with Vernon personally. But yes of course signing the top free agents at their respective positions for positions of need is attractive. That's a no brainer. Lee looks to have some great potential too. He has the athleticism needed. I do think he needs a little refinement, but he's going to be a baller in my opinion. Edited March 3, 2016 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) I also think it's worth noting that while a certainly would be thrilled with signing Travathan, I never hear anybody mentioning the fact that the guy has literally had his left knee structurally rebuilt and replaced. He looked like new last year, but man that makes me nervous. Edited March 3, 2016 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK Manley Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Begotten912 said: When's the last time a player in his position turned down significantly more money just to play in his hometown? Who knows if the Jags are even interested in him or if this speculated number is even close to accurate? I see the Jags mentioned for almost every FA all over the place, but they had a lot of cap space last year too and didn't land that much. I'm not even very high on Irvin in FA, but let's not act like we already have no chance against the almighty Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 15 hours ago, Green Ranger said: Sometimes you must overpay for a better defense. Which teams have overpaid decent-at-best players on their way to a very good defense? Any team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 19 hours ago, Lord Sarcomere said: Would rather throw 12 at Mario 12 mil at a 30 yr old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 10 hours ago, Atlfanstckndenver said: I like all of these options. The only caveat I have is just how much cap Vernon will require. If he needs to be paid up there with Houston or Miller forget about it. If he will settle for below that I'll entertain it. I think people need to be careful with Vernon personally. But yes of course signing the top free agents at their respective positions for positions of need is attractive. That's a no brainer. Lee looks to have some great potential too. He has the athleticism needed. I do think he needs a little refinement, but he's going to be a baller in my opinion. There's nothing beastly about Lee, IMO. Still don't see it. I was more impressed with one game of Kentrell Brothers than I have been with three games of Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: Which teams have overpaid decent-at-best players on their way to a very good defense? Any team? Which teams have signed trash and turned it into gold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Green Ranger said: Which teams have signed trash and turned it into gold? The Seahawks (Bennett and Avril were both brought in on mid-level prove it deals....the anti-overpaid) The Broncos (Terrence Knighton? Darian Stewart? Brandon Marshall?) The Panthers (Robert McClain? Roman Harper? Jared Allen? Charles Tillman?) The Patriots (Jabaal Sheard? ALan Branch? Patrick Chung?) Do I need to keep going? I don't know if there's any single thing more closely correlated with team failure or stagnation than paying average players top-tier money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: The Seahawks (Bennett and Avril were both brought in on mid-level prove it deals....the anti-overpaid) The Broncos (Terrence Knighton? Darian Stewart? Brandon Marshall?) The Panthers (Robert McClain? Roman Harper? Jared Allen? Charles Tillman?) The Patriots (Jabaal Sheard? ALan Branch? Patrick Chung?) Do I need to keep going? I don't know if there's any single thing more closely correlated with team failure or stagnation than paying average players top-tier money. The teams you named are really good coached teams too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando C. Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 How much money will malik jackson command?? I rather pay a little extra for Malik ... we need to get better in the trenchess!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: There's nothing beastly about Lee, IMO. Still don't see it. I was more impressed with one game of Kentrell Brothers than I have been with three games of Lee. I think Lee can become a great linebacker in the nfl. I think he has room to put on a few pounds plus the physical capacity to develop into a good coverage linebacker. He plays aggressively and down hill which will get him into trouble some at the pro level. Maybe calling him a breast is going a little too far at this point, but he has the ability imo. Brothers has a more complete skill set right outta the box from what I've seen, but tbh I need to watch more. Edited March 3, 2016 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'd honestly prefer to throw money at Lions LB Tahir Whitehead, great 3 down linebacker and will be cheaper than Irvin and Trevathan. Whitehead is fast and physical and is the exact LB that Quinn covets. Gives us money to go after another DE like Mario too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 13 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Fk that. We need a DE more than a SLB. Give me this guy for that kind of money: Add this one to the middle: Then draft this beast in the first: Add him to the middle in the second. Front seven fixed: Dude, I love the way you think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 22 hours ago, Lord Sarcomere said: Would rather throw 12 at Mario Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 22 hours ago, ATLFalcon36 said: I used to be super high on the Irvin tree and thought he was a "must have" this offseason, but looking at his stat line - just something is super underwhelming about him. For such a "pass rushing expert" as he's touted his sack numbers are pretty low. If Irvin is going to cost 9.5 I'd much rather give that money to Trevathan, who I think would help our defense a lot more. Both players have ties to R. Smith or DQ, but I think Trevathan would have a bigger impact than Irvin who has very low tackle and sack numbers. No one is calling him a pass rush expert my God where do you see this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 14 hours ago, JRob215 said: Why is he so great? Over his 3 seasons as a LB, he has averaged 38 tackles, 4.7 sacks, 1 INT, and 1 FF. Per PFF: "Irvin’s athleticism has allowed his role to evolve over the years with the Seahawks, and his run defense has improved at the same time. However, his per-snap pass-rushing productivity has dipped as he’s asked to do more in coverage; he still might be best suited as solely a pass rusher." He is a decent player who is as good as he's going to be. Not worth even close to 9.5 million per year. So much wrong with this post: 1) You couldn't name me 5 better SLBs. I doubt you even know 5 SLBs in the league 2) Using his 3 year average yet failing to mention he missed 4 games in 2013 and 1 each of the last 2 years. 3) Quoting PFF. 4) SLBs usually don't put up gaudy stats. They do alot of dirty work that isn't seen on stats. Like set the edge and take away the short pass. Take a look at Anthony Barrs stats. Alot of people consider him the best SLB in the game. 5) As far as this being the best he will be? Hes improved every year with this past season being his best. There's nothing to suggest he won't be better next year based on his year to year improvement. As far as being worth 9.5 million. Is he worth that? Who knows. With guys like Curry and Crabtree getting what they got it just shows how much player salaries are jumping. Take into consideration the rising cap and Irvin getting something around 9.5 seems close to the value he provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 34 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: So much wrong with this post: 1) You couldn't name me 5 better SLBs. I doubt you even know 5 SLBs in the league 2) Using his 3 year average yet failing to mention he missed 4 games in 2013 and 1 each of the last 2 years. 3) Quoting PFF. 4) SLBs usually don't put up gaudy stats. They do alot of dirty work that isn't seen on stats. Like set the edge and take away the short pass. Take a look at Anthony Barrs stats. Alot of people consider him the best SLB in the game. 5) As far as this being the best he will be? Hes improved every year with this past season being his best. There's nothing to suggest he won't be better next year based on his year to year improvement. As far as being worth 9.5 million. Is he worth that? Who knows. With guys like Curry and Crabtree getting what they got it just shows how much player salaries are jumping. Take into consideration the rising cap and Irvin getting something around 9.5 seems close to the value he provides. I've gotta respectfully disagree man. I think Irvin is a guy surrounded (like...literally surrounded) by players at or near the top of their respective positions. He's in the best possible situation. And he's fine. Adequate. Decent. He's a straight line athlete with a lot of athleticism but isnt really a great "football player." If anything, I think he'd best served outside in a 3-4 where he could tee off on QBs and work against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 And FTR - Olivier Vernon isn't going to go anywhere for $9.5 million a year. That dude is gonna get ~$14m per + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 29 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I've gotta respectfully disagree man. I think Irvin is a guy surrounded (like...literally surrounded) by players at or near the top of their respective positions. He's in the best possible situation. And he's fine. Adequate. Decent. He's a straight line athlete with a lot of athleticism but isnt really a great "football player." If anything, I think he'd best served outside in a 3-4 where he could tee off on QBs and work against the run. The thing is his play wasn't "decent" this year. He was arguably the 3rd or 4th best player on that defense. Just ask Seattle fans. I can attest to that as Seattle is my "home team" (I'm from Vancouver) so I watch alot of thier games. Sure he's surrounded by good to elite talent but you could argue he's part of that talent group. Like I said he's a great all around SLB. One of the best in the league. Here are a couple of Seattle's fans thoughts on him: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=572525 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRob215 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Bobby.Digital said: So much wrong with this post: 1) You couldn't name me 5 better SLBs. I doubt you even know 5 SLBs in the league 2) Using his 3 year average yet failing to mention he missed 4 games in 2013 and 1 each of the last 2 years. 3) Quoting PFF. 4) SLBs usually don't put up gaudy stats. They do alot of dirty work that isn't seen on stats. Like set the edge and take away the short pass. Take a look at Anthony Barrs stats. Alot of people consider him the best SLB in the game. 5) As far as this being the best he will be? Hes improved every year with this past season being his best. There's nothing to suggest he won't be better next year based on his year to year improvement. As far as being worth 9.5 million. Is he worth that? Who knows. With guys like Curry and Crabtree getting what they got it just shows how much player salaries are jumping. Take into consideration the rising cap and Irvin getting something around 9.5 seems close to the value he provides. You can believe he is a "great all around SLB" but I will continue to disagree. He's a decent run defender and his best role might still be as a pass-rushing specialist. Again, he has been in the league only 4 years, but he is pushing 29 and is already at or beyond his physical prime. My argument is not that he's some league-average player, but that he is somewhere between above average and good. When you combine that with the fact that he isn't going to improve beyond the numbers you see, he isn't worth close to $10 million per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRid Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The Jags keep cutting players and now have almost $90 million in cap space, which is freaking nuts. They will most likely overpay for Alex Mack, Bruce Irvin, etc, etc. Basically all the players we likely want. Sux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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