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2 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Actually, conservatives frequently interrupt Clinton and Sanders rallies.  Like, all the time.  You don't hear about them because Clinton supporters don't punch them in the face.  I'll find a video if you want, but two people stood up and tried to shout down Bill Clinton at a rally for his wife.  They were mad about Benghazi.  Instead of telling his supporters to "get them out of here!" or talking about how he'd like to "punch him in the face" - as Trump does - Bill Clinton tried to engage them in a conversation.  They just kept shouting and yelling until they were escorted out.

So yeah, conservative do go to Democratic rallies and "stir the pot".

The problem with this discussion is that you are so detached from reality that you don't even know what the facts are.  So you make s*** like this up and try to generalize about "conservatives" versus "libs" based on a warped perspective that bears zero resemblance to the reality of the situation.

I disagree with interrupting the rally, but are you really trying to compare that to what has been going on at Trump rallies?

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2 hours ago, Worzone said:

Trumps people attacked protesters interrupting at a Trump Rally

Dems people attacked Trump people at a trump rally. 

 

See the difference? Though neither are justified.  One is going looking for trouble to harm while the other is reacting to disrespectful people.  There is a difference.  

Don't understand how one is inherently worse than the other.  Both are attacking people.  The difference is that the Clinton campaign wholesale denounced it.  Trump has encouraged the attacks at his rallies and has never come out with the outright condemnation that the Clinton campaign has done.

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1 minute ago, Dago 3.0 said:

I disagree with interrupting the rally, but are you really trying to compare that to what has been going on at Trump rallies?

Yes, actually.  When protestors do that at Trump rallies, they often get punched in the face, called racial epithets, or kicked and shoved.  And Trump encourages that behavior by his supporters with comments he's made during his rallies.  

People want to make a contrast...there it is.  Clinton's campaign has been adamant about condemning violence.  Trump hasn't.  Trump has encouraged what his supporters have done.  Clinton has denounced what hers have done.

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4 minutes ago, Dago 3.0 said:

I disagree with interrupting the rally, but are you really trying to compare that to what has been going on at Trump rallies?

Also, you again jump into the conversation without understanding the full context, apparently.  WFW flat out denied that conservatives were going to Clinton rallies and disrupting them.  I proved that was false.  

Do you agree with WFW that conservatives never disrupt and "stir the pot" at Clinton rallies?  Why don't we address the factually false claim WFW made before we move to another subject?

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1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Also, you again jump into the conversation without understanding the full context, apparently.  WFW flat out denied that conservatives were going to Clinton rallies and disrupting them.  I proved that was false.  

Do you agree with WFW that conservatives never disrupt and "stir the pot" at Clinton rallies?  Why don't we address the factually false claim WFW made before we move to another subject?

obviously I accept that since I said I disagree with it. pretty much common sense there

but verbally challenging a candidate isn't even in the same ****ed ball park with what has gone on at Trump rallies. while I would consider those conservatives to be rude and disrespectful, what they do definitely falls into the definition of a Town Hall Meeting which I believe is what the event was called

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2 minutes ago, Jimsmusic™ said:

Leon is saying it's just fine for lib supports to go and interrupt/assault trump supports at his rallies.

 

but if the trump supports use self defense on the primitives THEY'RE the problem. yeah this dude is delusional.

Okay, moron, why don't you quote a single post where I said "it's just fine" for liberals to disrupt Trump supporters at the rallies, let alone assault them?  Have read a single post in this entire thread (which I started, by the way, as a condemnation of ALL such protestors)?  Apparently not.

Also, I've already addressed the "self defense" stupidity.  The old man who punched the black guy in the face...not self defense. The various old dudes who shoved the black woman and called her racial slurs...not self defense.  Look at the numerous videos and links that I've posted on here regarding Trump rallies.  None of those are "self defense".  

Finally, considering that so many of the people assaulted at Trump rallies were racial minorities, you should be careful throwing around the term "the primitives" on this topic.  

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1 minute ago, Dago 3.0 said:

obviously I accept that since I said I disagree with it. pretty much common sense there

but verbally challenging a candidate isn't even in the same ****ed ball park with what has gone on at Trump rallies. while I would consider those conservatives to be rude and disrespectful, what they do definitely falls into the definition of a Town Hall Meeting which I believe is what the event was called

You're missing the point.  At Trump rallies, liberals who engaged in similar behavior were punched in the face, shoved and called racial slurs, thrown to the ground and kicked, and otherwise assaulted by Trump supporters.  That is exactly the same type of behavior that the liberal people have engaged in against Trump supporters.  

I don't know why anyone is trying to defend Trump supporters here.  Violence and attacks by ANYONE is wrong...period.  As Obama said, "this is not part of democracy".  As I said in the very first post of this thread...we have to be willing to hear the other side instead of trying to shut down speech we don't like.  That is true whether it is supporters of Trump, Clinton, Sanders, or anyone.  And everyone should condemn the violence regardless of whose supporters are doing it.

People like WFW and jimmusic are trying to deny that conservatives have engaged in this type of behavior, and trying to pretend like only "libs" or "the primitives" (whatever the f*** that is supposed to mean) act like this.  They're doing that to defend their "side" and make themselves feel good by ignoring the reality of the situation.  

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7 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

You're missing the point.  At Trump rallies, liberals who engaged in similar behavior were punched in the face, shoved and called racial slurs, thrown to the ground and kicked, and otherwise assaulted by Trump supporters.  That is exactly the same type of behavior that the liberal people have engaged in against Trump supporters.  

I don't know why anyone is trying to defend Trump supporters here.  Violence and attacks by ANYONE is wrong...period.  As Obama said, "this is not part of democracy".  As I said in the very first post of this thread...we have to be willing to hear the other side instead of trying to shut down speech we don't like.  That is true whether it is supporters of Trump, Clinton, Sanders, or anyone.  And everyone should condemn the violence regardless of whose supporters are doing it.

People like WFW and jimmusic are trying to deny that conservatives have engaged in this type of behavior, and trying to pretend like only "libs" or "the primitives" (whatever the f*** that is supposed to mean) act like this.  They're doing that to defend their "side" and make themselves feel good by ignoring the reality of the situation.  

obviously it is wrong to assault someone for voicing their opinion and anybody who does that should be arrested. I am referring to blocking roads, assaulting police, and assaulting people just because they support a candidate.

quite frankly I think that anybody who supports either Hillary or Trump is a ******* idiot. They are two horrible human beings and I have a hard time respecting anybody who gives them their approval. They count on the sheep arguing over which one is worse and being too stupid to take a stand and say this crap isn't acceptable anymore

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13 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

I was going to say the same thing.  Trout is grasping for straws at this point.  

Says the guy who denies the attacks by Trump supporters and justifies them as "self defense" despite having over a dozen videos staring him right in the face.  Most people in this thread have condemned the attacks from all sides.  You an jimmusic seem to be the only ones still denying that Trump supporters have engaged in violence or have tried to defend them.  Delusional.

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15 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

You're missing the point.  At Trump rallies, liberals who engaged in similar behavior were punched in the face, shoved and called racial slurs, thrown to the ground and kicked, and otherwise assaulted by Trump supporters.  That is exactly the same type of behavior that the liberal people have engaged in against Trump supporters.  

I don't know why anyone is trying to defend Trump supporters here.  Violence and attacks by ANYONE is wrong...period.  As Obama said, "this is not part of democracy".  As I said in the very first post of this thread...we have to be willing to hear the other side instead of trying to shut down speech we don't like.  That is true whether it is supporters of Trump, Clinton, Sanders, or anyone.  And everyone should condemn the violence regardless of whose supporters are doing it.

People like WFW and jimmusic are trying to deny that conservatives have engaged in this type of behavior, and trying to pretend like only "libs" or "the primitives" (whatever the f*** that is supposed to mean) act like this.  They're doing that to defend their "side" and make themselves feel good by ignoring the reality of the situation.  

 

15 hours ago, Dago 3.0 said:

obviously it is wrong to assault someone for voicing their opinion and anybody who does that should be arrested. I am referring to blocking roads, assaulting police, and assaulting people just because they support a candidate.

quite frankly I think that anybody who supports either Hillary or Trump is a ******* idiot. They are two horrible human beings and I have a hard time respecting anybody who gives them their approval. They count on the sheep arguing over which one is worse and being too stupid to take a stand and say this crap isn't acceptable anymore

As was I and as I have stated multiple times in this thread.  Trout is not stupid, he knows exactly what I'm/we're talking about.  But he is trying a weak straw argument and trying to correlate the two situations as the same when he knows full well they are not.  

Also, no one should be attacked for their beliefs and any such actions should be denounced..  Especially when they are voicing their opinions peacefully.  Unfortunately this is not what's happening at Trump rallies but for Trout to say the same thing is happening from Trump supporters at Bernie and Hillary rallies is ludicrous.  

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