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10 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html

Here's a list.. Tell me which ones were "retaliation events by Trump supporters in self-defense"?  The AFrican-American woman who was shoved and called racial slurs?  And that "old man that was provoked" flat out sucker punched the black guy in the face.  There was no provocation that justified what he did.

At this point, your denial of these events along with your defense of what are obviously unprovoked attacks is beyond ridiculous.  There are over a dozen videos in that link staring you right in the face.  

But pretend that none of those happened, that the attacks which did occur were "self-defense", and that the only one you will acknowledge was "provoked".  Keep pretending that it's the "libs" who are doing all of this.  Keep pretending that anybody still takes the crap you say seriously. 

No comparison to the statement I made.  Besides, Trump supporters are not going to Bernie and Hillary rallies and being violent.  You have failed to show me one example of a conservative group going to the democrats rallies blocking roads, harassing the supporters, and trying to shutdown their private events.  Like I said before, I'll wait...

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1 hour ago, Free Radical said:

* Demands politicians denounce attacks *

* Politician denounces attacks *

* They didn't denounce it hard enough *

 

It is the same thing the right says about Muslims....... Muslim leaders have condemned terrorist attacks  numerous times yet it is never enough.

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1 hour ago, Dago 3.0 said:

yes because one guy saying something really shows concern by our elected officials

He is the chair of the HFA campaign. HRC, Obama, and Bernie all denounced the violence the next day. Bernie and Hillary also denounced the violence the last time there was violence at Trump Rallies. 

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5 hours ago, Billy Ocean said:

Remember back a few months ago when there was that "Hunting Hitler" thread the mods had to delete when Mashburn-Fibonnaci said people shouldn't be so hard on the Nazis because they had a lot of good ideas? VHF77.gif

I remember him being really impressed that I knew of Carl Jung. We didn't talk about anything about what he said, just knowing who that was was amazing and delightful to him.

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13 hours ago, marla_mulder said:

If you're referring to Podesta's tweet, I felt that it was done for show - something they knew they had to say or people would criticize them. There was no real, harsh condemnation of what's going on...just more mealy-mouthed politician speak that really amounts to nothing.

I will readily admit I hate HRC, so maybe my bias is showing, but I wasn't impressed with the "denouncing" of these attacks.

For show or not, they condemned it unequivocally.  Trump encouraged violence against protestors and when called on it, never fully condemned the attacks.  He referred to one person who stomped a black man at his rally as "passionate".  

The false equivalencies have to end.  The two sides are not equally bad.  One side (Trump) has encouraged violence at his rallies.  The other side has condemned it immediately.  The two are not equivalent.

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11 hours ago, kicker said:

Dozens of violent attacks by Trump supporters.  As opposed to this incident, where there were dozens of violent attacks all in one place.  

I didn't deny that it occurred, nor did I say that Trump protestors were acting in "self-defense".  Look at the post to which I responded for the full context.  WFW denied that Trump supporters attacking "libs" ever happened.

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10 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

No comparison to the statement I made.  Besides, Trump supporters are not going to Bernie and Hillary rallies and being violent.  You have failed to show me one example of a conservative group going to the democrats rallies blocking roads, harassing the supporters, and trying to shutdown their private events.  Like I said before, I'll wait...

Moving the goal posts.  You said all of the Trump supporter attacks on "libs" were "self defense" or "provoked".  Now that your false claim was completely debunked, you're trying to move the goalposts.

Do you admit that there have been dozens of attacks by Trump supporters against "libs"?  Or are you going to keep pretending that only "libs" are the violent protestors?

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10 hours ago, Dago 3.0 said:

yes because one guy saying something really shows concern by our elected officials

He's an official spokesperson for the Clinton campaign.

Also, from President Obama himself:

According to Reuters, the president referred to the protests and said, “That’s not what our democracy’s about.”

“There’s no room for violence,” Obama declared. “There’s no room for shouting. There’s no room for a politics that fails to at least listen to the other side, even if you vehemently disagree.”

But yes, please let's continue this denial and false equivalency about what's happening.  

Edit: Can you find a similar statement from the Trump campaign about violence by his supporters? 

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8 hours ago, marla_mulder said:

My opinion still holds. It was a pretty weak, flat statement. Words don't mean much when there's no sincerity behind them. 

Maybe you thought it was a great statement that is appropriate for the viciousness of some of these attacks...I don't agree.

And how does that statement campaign to Trump's responses to violence by his supporters?

Also, what do you think about President Obama's statement that I just quoted in the previous post?

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9 hours ago, GEORGIAfan said:

He is the chair of the HFA campaign. HRC, Obama, and Bernie all denounced the violence the next day. Bernie and Hillary also denounced the violence the last time there was violence at Trump Rallies. 

But they don't *really* mean it in their heart of hearts.  We *know* it's insincere, because they're just exactly, precisely the same identical bad as Donald Trump.

Because fairness...or sumsht.

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6 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Moving the goal posts.  You said all of the Trump supporter attacks on "libs" were "self defense" or "provoked".  Now that your false claim was completely debunked, you're trying to move the goalposts.

Do you admit that there have been dozens of attacks by Trump supporters against "libs"?  Or are you going to keep pretending that only "libs" are the violent protestors?

I have noticed a lot of memes on my facebook feed that seem to totally ignore attacks by trump supporters ....it is interesting how the selective memories have evolved.

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9 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Moving the goal posts.  You said all of the Trump supporter attacks on "libs" were "self defense" or "provoked".  Now that your false claim was completely debunked, you're trying to move the goalposts.

Do you admit that there have been dozens of attacks by Trump supporters against "libs"?  Or are you going to keep pretending that only "libs" are the violent protestors?

You haven't admitted that conservatives are not going to Hillary and Bernie rallies and stirring the pot.  For the most part "libs" are the violent protestors that do not protest peacfully at a conservative event.  You still haven't shown me one example where a Trump supporter has attacked someone at a Hillary or Bernie rally?  Blocked roads/highways and shut down one of their events?  Like I said before, I'll wait...

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22 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

You have failed to show me one example of a conservative group going to the democrats rallies blocking roads, harassing the supporters, and trying to shutdown their private events.  Like I said before, I'll wait...

does the republican controlled congress count?

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On June 4, 2016 at 2:23 PM, marla_mulder said:

My opinion still holds. It was a pretty weak, flat statement. Words don't mean much when there's no sincerity behind them. 

Maybe you thought it was a great statement that is appropriate for the viciousness of some of these attacks...I don't agree.

FR is the local, overly liberal know-it-all. You'll learn to overlook him eventually. 

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On 6/4/2016 at 2:23 PM, marla_mulder said:

My opinion still holds. It was a pretty weak, flat statement. Words don't mean much when there's no sincerity behind them. 

Maybe you thought it was a great statement that is appropriate for the viciousness of some of these attacks...I don't agree.

What the he'll did you want from a Twitter response? More emoticons, a link to an essay he wrote on the matter, or how about he posts a video of himself crying his eyes out? 

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1 minute ago, Free Radical said:

No one needs to learn to overlook you.  All of your posts scream, "Look at me and all my extra chromosomes!"

Although that was a weak insult, I'll throw you a bone...

My extra chromosomes are dripping from your chin.

 

Now entertain me with a comeback and put a little thought into it. And if it's good, I will definitely give you props :tiphat: 

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18 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

He's an official spokesperson for the Clinton campaign.

Also, from President Obama himself:

According to Reuters, the president referred to the protests and said, “That’s not what our democracy’s about.”

“There’s no room for violence,” Obama declared. “There’s no room for shouting. There’s no room for a politics that fails to at least listen to the other side, even if you vehemently disagree.”

But yes, please let's continue this denial and false equivalency about what's happening.  

Edit: Can you find a similar statement from the Trump campaign about violence by his supporters? 

I am not going to play mind reader and guess at his motivations. He condemned them and that is good enough for me. I hope he continues to do so and members of Congress on both sides add their voices to it

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Trumps people attacked protesters interrupting at a Trump Rally

Dems people attacked Trump people at a trump rally. 

 

See the difference? Though neither are justified.  One is going looking for trouble to harm while the other is reacting to disrespectful people.  There is a difference.  

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1 hour ago, Worzone said:

Trumps people attacked protesters interrupting at a Trump Rally

Dems people attacked Trump people at a trump rally. 

 

See the difference? Though neither are justified.  One is going looking for trouble to harm while the other is reacting to disrespectful people.  There is a difference.  

He doesn't see it and he has yet to give me an example of it.  Reason being Trump supporters are not going to Hillary or Bernie rallies interrupting them with violence inside and outside the arenas.  Not to mention blocked roads and highways by these protestors.    

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11 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

You haven't admitted that conservatives are not going to Hillary and Bernie rallies and stirring the pot.  For the most part "libs" are the violent protestors that do not protest peacfully at a conservative event.  You still haven't shown me one example where a Trump supporter has attacked someone at a Hillary or Bernie rally?  Blocked roads/highways and shut down one of their events?  Like I said before, I'll wait...

Actually, conservatives frequently interrupt Clinton and Sanders rallies.  Like, all the time.  You don't hear about them because Clinton supporters don't punch them in the face.  I'll find a video if you want, but two people stood up and tried to shout down Bill Clinton at a rally for his wife.  They were mad about Benghazi.  Instead of telling his supporters to "get them out of here!" or talking about how he'd like to "punch him in the face" - as Trump does - Bill Clinton tried to engage them in a conversation.  They just kept shouting and yelling until they were escorted out.

So yeah, conservative do go to Democratic rallies and "stir the pot".

The problem with this discussion is that you are so detached from reality that you don't even know what the facts are.  So you make s*** like this up and try to generalize about "conservatives" versus "libs" based on a warped perspective that bears zero resemblance to the reality of the situation.

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