G-Dawg question for you on Ragland

[HaRdH3ad]

G-Dawg I was looking back at your off season mock again and I noticed you wanted us to get Danny Trevathan because of his blazing sideline-to-sideline speed. Hmm...now he ran a 4.82 at the combine and you say the Falcons need him for speed but Reggie Ragland runs a 4.7 and he is to slow for what the Falcons want in your eyes. Now if I'm not mistaken a 4.7 is lower than a 4.8 so I'm just wondering if you could please explain to me your logic behind that

[Ovie_Lover]

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/01/5_eye-openers_from_tuesdays_re.html

[Colin_Pernett]

I know this isn't directed at me but playing speed and combine speed are two different things. Watch both players play and you'll see the difference

[Upstate NY Falcon]

4 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/01/5_eye-openers_from_tuesdays_re.html

"Alabama linebacker Reggie Ragland weighed in at 259 pounds at the Senior Bowl. A month later, Ragland's weight is back where it should be for middle linebacker at 247-pounds. It will be interesting to see if Ragland maintains this weight at his pro day and in the pre-draft workouts. Still, Ragland is a thumper linebacker who will be an asset on the inside or outside in the middle of a defense."

https://walterfootball.com/combine2016weighinLB.php

[HaRdH3ad]

1 minute ago, Colin_Pernett said:

I know this isn't directed at me but playing speed and combine speed are two different things. Watch both players play and you'll see the difference

Well you know what...I didn't think of that lol oops. I just don't think Ragland is as slow as most people say but now that you say that Trevathan does fly in game so maybe pairing him with Lee will be great for us I'm just scared Lee won't be there when we pick after that 40 combined with jaylon smith being hurt 

[Colin_Pernett]

Stop trying to make Reggie Ragland happen. It's not going to happen. 

[Colin_Pernett]

3 minutes ago, HaRdH3ad said:

Well you know what...I didn't think of that lol oops. I just don't think Ragland is as slow as most people say but now that you say that Trevathan does fly in game so maybe pairing him with Lee will be great for us I'm just scared Lee won't be there when we pick after that 40 combined with jaylon smith being hurt 

Lee and Trevethan would be a very speedy combo. I personally like Deion Jones in the second better than Lee in the first but either would at much needed speed and coverage abilities to this defense.

[HaRdH3ad]

1 minute ago, Colin_Pernett said:

Lee and Trevethan would be a very speedy combo. I personally like Deion Jones in the second better than Lee in the first but either would at much needed speed and coverage abilities to this defense.

Only thing that scares me about Lee is he has had like 22 missed tackles in last 2 years so while he flies he needs to wrap up better and stop arm tackling 

[HASHBROWN3]

Reggie Ragland is a player!  The question for me is this.

Do you want to spend pick #17 on a throwback downhill thumper who has a little bit better than advertised movement skills??

For me, no.  But I wouldn't cry about it if it were to go down.  Don't you want a guaranteed 3 down backer who can drop into deep middle coverage in the middle of the first?  Yes, you'd certainly think so.  

[Summerhill]

3 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Reggie Ragland is a player!  The question for me is this.

Do you want to spend pick #17 on a throwback downhill thumper who has a little bit better than advertised movement skills??

For me, no.  But I wouldn't cry about it if it were to go down.  Don't you want a guaranteed 3 down backer who can drop into deep middle coverage in the middle of the first?  Yes, you'd certainly think so.  

Agreed. 

[HaRdH3ad]

18 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Reggie Ragland is a player!  The question for me is this.

Do you want to spend pick #17 on a throwback downhill thumper who has a little bit better than advertised movement skills??

For me, no.  But I wouldn't cry about it if it were to go down.  Don't you want a guaranteed 3 down backer who can drop into deep middle coverage in the middle of the first?  Yes, you'd certainly think so.  

You're right...talk about flying. If we get Lee and trevathan that's going to be fun to watch 

[atlGM]

Ragland performed better than travathan in just about every drill. Imo we would be better off paying a pass rusher in free agency and taking ragland or Antonio Morrison in the draft.

[g-dawg]

1 hour ago, HaRdH3ad said:

Well you know what...I didn't think of that lol oops. I just don't think Ragland is as slow as most people say but now that you say that Trevathan does fly in game so maybe pairing him with Lee will be great for us I'm just scared Lee won't be there when we pick after that 40 combined with jaylon smith being hurt 

there was some stat quoted in either the AFC Championship game or Superbowl (forget which) and somebody had some weird stat I had never heard of before and it was talking about play-speed and converted it to "miles per hour" - Trevathan's was quoted to be one of the highest at like 20mph. - for what its worth.

And, as someone else pointed out already, playing speed and 40 time are vastly different.  All you have to do is put on the tape to see the difference.

Ragland is a good player but he does not fit what the Falcons are doing.  I would equate it to Carmelo Anthony and the Atlanta Hawks.   The Hawks are a motion offense that quickly moves the ball with 4-5 passes to find the open shot - once Carmelo gets the ball, it does not come back out.   Now, is Carmelo a very good player?  YES.  Would he make sense for the Hawks? NO.

[HaRdH3ad]

3 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

there was some stat quoted in either the AFC Championship game or Superbowl (forget which) and somebody had some weird stat I had never heard of before and it was talking about play-speed and converted it to "miles per hour" - Trevathan's was quoted to be one of the highest at like 20mph. - for what its worth.

And, as someone else pointed out already, playing speed and 40 time are vastly different.  All you have to do is put on the tape to see the difference.

Ragland is a good player but he does not fit what the Falcons are doing.  I would equate it to Carmelo Anthony and the Atlanta Hawks.   The Hawks are a motion offense that quickly moves the ball with 4-5 passes to find the open shot - once Carmelo gets the ball, it does not come back out.   Now, is Carmelo a very good player?  YES.  Would he make sense for the Hawks? NO.

lol you nailed that I understand completely. I also wanted to ask you...if we get Danny and then draft lee. Who should be our 3rd linebacker? 

[g-dawg]

1 minute ago, HaRdH3ad said:

lol you nailed that I understand completely. I also wanted to ask you...if we get Danny and then draft lee. Who should be our 3rd linebacker? 

We might not need a 3rd linebacker if we had those two - LOL.

Honestly, I don't know who the 3rd guy would be.  Probably a combination of two players that do two different things well - one to defend the run and the other to defend the pass - Trevathan and Lee would stay on the field for all three downs except for a needed rest every now and then.

[youngbloodz]

46 minutes ago, atlGM said:

Ragland performed better than travathan in just about every drill. Imo we would be better off paying a pass rusher in free agency and taking ragland or Antonio Morrison in the draft.

And that means nothing. We know how Travathan performs in the nfl. It is a guess about Ragland

[atlGM]

36 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

And that means nothing. We know how Travathan performs in the nfl. It is a guess about Ragland

It's about weighing your options . Ragland was a very productive linebacker in college. Travathan produced on the best defense in the league but wasn't close to being the best player on his defense.

Ragalnd outperformed travathan in both the broad jump and the 40 so it's kinda hard to say hard to say to say that he isn't just as athletic. 

My only concern is how well ragland will hold up in coverage. But to me that's a double sided argument. He played at a much higher weight college and was asked to put his hand in the dirt. He wasn't awful when he did drop into coverage but it just wasn't something that he was primarily asked to do. 

Looking back on travathans scouting reports I found that he had just as Many questions on his coverage ability. 

But if you line the two workouts side my side ragland measures out to be the better athlete. 

Also I think we have to address the pass rush so if it comes down to spending 8-9 mill on a lb or DE in going pass rush all day. Especially when there are guys like ragland and Antonio Morrison who have the same skill set as travathan

[Gold4425]

It depends on who we get in F O. Ragland is a proven talent. Lawson though I like is not the baller Ragland is. Lee has speed and came prepared but I don't think he will have the longterm starting Ragland will have. The Combine makes some athletes be better then they are.

[hjerry]

Sideline to sideline speed =/= straight line speed

[youngbloodz]

11 minutes ago, atlGM said:

It's about weighing your options . Ragland was a very productive linebacker in college. Travathan produced on the best defense in the league but wasn't close to being the best player on his defense.

Ragalnd outperformed travathan in both the broad jump and the 40 so it's kinda hard to say hard to say to say that he isn't just as athletic. 

My only concern is how well ragland will hold up in coverage. But to me that's a double sided argument. He played at a much higher weight college and was asked to put his hand in the dirt. He wasn't awful when he did drop into coverage but it just wasn't something that he was primarily asked to do. 

Looking back on travathans scouting reports I found that he had just as Many questions on his coverage ability. 

But if you line the two workouts side my side ragland measures out to be the better athlete. 

Also I think we have to address the pass rush so if it comes down to spending 8-9 mill on a lb or DE in going pass rush all day. Especially when there are guys like ragland and Antonio Morrison who have the same skill set as travathan

Same skill set but we know how Travathan performs in the NFL. 

[HASHBROWN3]

I think RR is a guy you MUST bring into camp and work him out to get an idea of his cover/drop back skills.

I think he's real though.  But he had a huge advantage of playing behind one of the nations best D-lines.

 

[atlGM]

29 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

Same skill set but we know how Travathan performs in the NFL. 

Of course.... We know what he's done. If we sign travathan how would you address the pass rush

[g-dawg]

1 hour ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

I think RR is a guy you MUST bring into camp and work him out to get an idea of his cover/drop back skills.

I think he's real though.  But he had a huge advantage of playing behind one of the nations best D-lines.

 

yep

[g-dawg]

44 minutes ago, atlGM said:

Of course.... We know what he's done. If we sign travathan how would you address the pass rush

either DE in 1st round (Shaq Lawson, Spence, Ogbah or Dodd) or in 2nd round.   Doubt any of them make it to our pick in 2nd round.

I don't think we can afford Trevathan and a premier free agent DE.

[youngbloodz]

1 hour ago, atlGM said:

Of course.... We know what he's done. If we sign travathan how would you address the pass rush

I wouldnt give him more then $8 mil a year. With that we can still sign a pass rusher like Mario. Of course if nobody gives him a stupid contract