AtlantaFanatic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 minute ago, KRUNKuno said: What you're missing is that it makes no sense to pay anybody to be a number 2 receiver in this system because the numbers you posted are indicative of the targets that number 2 receivers get under Shanahan. There will be no receiver worth it that will get less than 7 mil this free agency. So if you cut Roddy...hello dead money, upset QB, divided locker room, irate fan base. Another McClure situation. We have 5 picks in the draft and youre saying lets spend one on a receiver who wont see targets to begin with. It's not logical any way you slice it. I'm not missing that point at all. That's why I say let's get Rueben Randle or Mohammed Sanu and not Alshon Jeffery. Both of those guys will get significantly less than 7 million. I said in an earlier post that if avoiding a costly amount of dead money is the goal, then I'm ok with keeping him for THAT reason. Fan base is already irate that we suck so bad, cutting Roddy would show me that they are trying to get better at all costs and that would be refreshing to me. Saying that you'd have an upset QB is just speculation on your part and I believe (speculation on my part) that MR2 is too much of a pro to get his panties in a wad and play poorly because we got rid of a receiver. For the record if we draft a WR, I was thinking more alongs the lines of a 4th round pick. 1-3 needs to be devoted to defense and maybe an O-lineman. I've sliced it many logical ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caver50 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 7 hours ago, Sobeit said: I did not like how they handled Hawley, and I do not like how they are handling White. No matter how you feel about White and money he has been a great Falcon and a team guy and deserves to be treated better than this.So did Mcclure. While I think this staff could be good I have some very serious concerns about them as well. Also the fact that he felt the need to say there was nothing personal between them and Shanahan is a good indicator there probably was some issues. Sobeit, you don't keep million dollar football players just because you like them. It's about the team not individuals . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 You treat people who have been good team players and good for business with a certain amount respect and common human decency though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Sobeit said: You treat people who have been good team players and good for business with a certain amount respect and common human decency though. That's why you cut him early so he has plenty of time to find a new team. Don't cut him in training camp. You can respect a player and still recognize that he isn't good for your team anymore. Roddy's a smart dude, he knows he isn't 27 years old anymore. The fact that he has been a Falcon for as long as he has is something of a rarity in today's NFL. We have treated Roddy very well over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E. T. Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Good read... This made things a little clearer with some inside info about the 2015 offense and especially the McClure situation. And a side note reminder of how terrible the Konz pick was, and to go all in with him starting at center.... This is what kills me about this team...the history of bad decision making. When will it ever end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grrrillapmpn Inc.® Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Just curious, so are you guys saying Roddy is done just pretending the first game of the season didn't happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, Grrrillapmpn Inc.® said: Just curious, so are you guys saying Roddy is done just pretending the first game of the season didn't happen? No he can still be good and I really dont think we get more for less or equal money... Still I do not like how this staff is doing him or a couple of other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Falcons, Dan Quinn noncommittal on Roddy White returning Vaughn McClureESPN Staff Writer INDIANAPOLIS -- Atlanta Falcons coach Dan Quinn said the team continues to mull whether to keep veteran wide receiver Roddy White on the roster for next season. "Not yet," Quinn said when asked whether the team has made a decision on White. "He’s somebody you certainly know we have such respect and admiration for as we’re building this team together. He, and some other players, go under that line. We’re not into that decision yet. And when we do regarding team-building processes, we’ll fill you guys in." Quinn was pressed on whether the delay in the decision might be an indication that White will remain with the team, particularly with veterans such as William Moore, Justin Durant, and Paul Soliai already released or informed of an imminent release. "We’re still in the process of everything that we’re going through, not just with Rod," Quinn said. "That every year, we’re going through this team and finding ways that we’re going to do it and build all together. I wouldn’t read into it one way or another, but we are going through the process together." White, 34, just completed his 11th NFL season and has two years remaining on his contract. His cap number for next season is $6,137,500 -- a lofty figure considering his limited role in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s scheme -- and his salary is $4.25 million. Releasing him would provide a cap savings of $2,362,500. On numerous occasions, White said he wants to be a "Falcon for life" and finish his career playing in the new Mercedes-Benz Stadium, set to open in 2017. But White also complained about his lack of touches and increased role as a blocker in Shanahan’s scheme five games into last season, and he finished the year fourth on the team in receiving with 43 catches for 506 yards and one touchdown. Although Quinn previously said he values White’s leadership, the decision could come down to which wide receivers become available in free agency to complement top target Julio Jones. The Falcons are expected to have discussions regarding Bengals wide receiver Mohamed Sanu if Sanu reaches free agency on March 9. Cleveland's Travis Benjamin, who made plays under Shanahan’s tutelage with the Browns, could emerge as an option as well after contract talks recently broke down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHALCONABERNATHY Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It will depend on Roddy being able to take a reduced role. That's what they want and it's no secret to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 13 hours ago, theProf said: Interesting perspective from White on McClure, as it relates to perceptions of Ryan’s regression: “We should’ve had Todd McClure for two more years. I believe if we had him, we could’ve gone to a Super Bowl. He literally fixed everything. Todd always made sure somebody was on a body, which alleviated pressure on Matt. He was the ultimate at that, making calls, reading blitzes and letting Matt do his thing. When Todd left, Matt couldn’t be as good at the other stuff.” Said all season that this was a major reason for Ryan's struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 11 hours ago, falconcrest58 said: Roddy needs to take a pay cut or be cut I will never understand people that think like this. How would you feel if you had earned the money you were making at work and then all of a sudden one day your boss told you to take a pay cut or be fired? Would that be fair and just? Absolutely not and it's not just here and now in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 3:16 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said: Said all season that this was a major reason for Ryan's struggles. Why does it always have to be excuses for Ryan? Year after year after year it's "if Ryan has this" or "Ryan would have done this if...". How about the guy just flat out struggled be it the system or because he can throw the ball with the velocity of even 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlshocker Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Sobeit said: You treat people who have been good team players and good for business with a certain amount respect and common human decency though. Its a business. Even Jerry rice got let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, Keith 3:16 said: Why does it always have to be excuses for Ryan? Year after year after year it's "if Ryan has this" or "Ryan would have done this if...". How about the guy just flat out struggled be it the system or because he can throw the ball with the velocity of even 2 years ago. Common sense is severely lacking with this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlshocker Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, Keith 3:16 said: Why does it always have to be excuses for Ryan? Year after year after year it's "if Ryan has this" or "Ryan would have done this if...". How about the guy just flat out struggled be it the system or because he can throw the ball with the velocity of even 2 years ago. He almost gave a receiver a nfl record for yards. With a poor oline and D. See what Peyton did with those parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 7 hours ago, theProf said: Thought the following paragraph from the article particularly apropos: "Interesting perspective from White on McClure, as it relates to perceptions of Ryan’s regression: “We should’ve had Todd McClure for two more years. I believe if we had him, we could’ve gone to a Super Bowl. He literally fixed everything. Todd always made sure somebody was on a body, which alleviated pressure on Matt. He was the ultimate at that, making calls, reading blitzes and letting Matt do his thing. When Todd left, Matt couldn’t be as good at the other stuff.” That's what I've been trying to say for a long time. Even without the snapping issues, no center on our team could make any adjustments or recognize a blitz to save their (or Matt's) life. That's an important thing to be able to do; not every QB is P.Manning, if they're worrying about what everybody else is doing, it's going to affect what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEFalcon Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It feels to me like cutting Roddy has a higher chance of happening than retaining him. He stays is if he takes a pay cut. In regards to Shanny. I was not impressed by his unwillingness to acknowledge his systems weakness in regards to the personnel he had. I know it was year 1 last year but to me he needs to show improvement in roster talent recognition & how his system works best with their skills. I think Shanny needs to be evaluated critically this year to keep is job before he brings down the DQ regime before it gets a chance to get going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It's very similar to Joe Horn's final years in NO. At 34 he had one more year in NO put up less than desirable, and was let go. White just doesn't have the speed anymore for this offense. He was a great Falcon and deserves his place in the ring of honor but now maybe time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, AEFalcon said: It feels to me like cutting Roddy has a higher chance of happening than retaining him. He stays is if he takes a pay cut. In regards to Shanny. I was not impressed by his unwillingness to acknowledge his systems weakness in regards to the personnel he had. I know it was year 1 last year but to me he needs to show improvement in roster talent recognition & how his system works best with their skills. I think Shanny needs to be evaluated critically this year to keep is job before he brings down the DQ regime before it gets a chance to get going. Who says he stays if he takes a pay cut? Has anyone associated with the team ever said that if Roddy White takes a pay cut he wont be released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEFalcon Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, FentayeJones said: Who says he stays if he takes a pay cut? Has anyone associated with the team ever said that if Roddy White takes a pay cut he wont be released? I was just trying to be brief and not write a 10,000 word dissertation when a 100+ words would do on what turns out is just a reflection of my own thoughts. My statements were no indication of my proclamation of being a Falcon organization insider which is why I started the post out by saying...... "It feels to me". My opinion came from what I have seen from around the league where it seems to me that multiple teams around the league, not just the Falcons, are attempting to get older veterans to take pay cuts or be cut. You are right, No official word has come from the Falcons nor did I say that. He may stay without a pay cut or he may be cut without even the option of taking a pay cut. But again,....it feels to me the Falcons will ask him to take a paycut before outright cutting him if they feel his production doesn't match his present contract. To clarify, this post and the previous are just my opinions. Agree or not is fine but that is my opinion derived from what I am seeing across the league.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, AEFalcon said: I was just trying to be brief and not write a 10,000 word dissertation when a 100+ words would do on what turns out is just a reflection of my own thoughts. My statements were no indication of my proclamation of being a Falcon organization insider which is why I started the post out by saying...... "It feels to me". My opinion came from what I have seen from around the league where it seems to me that multiple teams around the league, not just the Falcons, are attempting to get older veterans to take pay cuts or be cut. You are right, No official word has come from the Falcons nor did I say that. He may stay without a pay cut or he may be cut without even the option of taking a pay cut. But again,....it feels to me the Falcons will ask him to take a paycut before outright cutting him if they feel his production doesn't match his present contract. To clarify, this post and the previous are just my opinions. Agree or not is fine but that is my opinion derived from what I am seeing across the league.. vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 7h7 hours ago Dan Quinn said no veterans other than Soliai have been approached about restructuring contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interesting comments on Shanny. I already knew about the McClure Troff. I'm working on my offseason retooling plan. When I get down to the numbers, Roddy might have to go. We're hurtin on the defensive side of the ball folks. It's time to fix that. We need Olineman more than receivers on the offensive side of the ball. If he goes it won't be the first time a fan fav did. I've seen Bart, Jessie, Deion, Rison, Claude, Andrews, Case, Jam, Abe, Chandelier, Turner, Vick, Crump, Dunn, Nobis, Van Note, Kenn and many more either get cut or let walk. Many unceremoniously. We can survive a Roddy cut. Trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEFalcon Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, FentayeJones said: vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 7h7 hours ago Dan Quinn said no veterans other than Soliai have been approached about restructuring contracts. Thanks for sharing. I'll keep this in mind when I formulating my opinion, which is ongoing, based on what I hear verses what I see happening around the league. I don't believe half of what comes out of the organization this time of year. If you disagree, that is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Interesting comments on Shanny. I already knew about the McClure Troff. I'm working on my offseason retooling plan. When I get down to the numbers, Roddy might have to go. We're hurtin on the defensive side of the ball folks. It's time to fix that sht. We need Olineman more than receivers on the offensive side of the ball. If he goes it won't be the first time. I've seen Bart, Jessie, Rison, Case, Jam, Abe, Chandelier, Turner, Vick, Crump, Dunn, Nobis, Van Note, Kenn and many more either get cut or let walk. Many unceremoniously. Wont be the last either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 3 hours ago, atlshocker said: Its a business. Even Jerry rice got let go. Still I notice some really shoddy management of good people. It is a trend I am seeing that gives me concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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