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23 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

DENIAL, symbolism, emotion. These are the pillars of modern liberalism. The GOP has its own problems like no resolve, plan, lack of strength in character. This is why Trump is winning.

For the people here still trying to use the ruse that Biden didn't run because his son died, I'd contend, and not 1 of you jack legs know the real reason, is because the DNC was throwing all it's weight behind Hillary. The DNC also knows the treasure troves of Idiotic Biden gaffes is a mile long. Joe Biden had to be hidden, put out to pasture for fear he would say something completely stupid at the worst possible time. Joe Biden is a multi loser on the presidential stage and the DNC has staged this entire election from debates to who the actual candidates would be. The bench was  so depleted of talent by Obama, that the left felt Hillary was their best shot.

Well, she is not only a bag of barf to most, she's not even likeable in her own party. Joe Biden may be pushed, shoved onto stage after Hillary gets indicted, or simply coughs herself into the hospital, but rest assured, Joe wanted to run and was stiffed armed back by his own party.

Using  emotion, the children, ones own children to sway emotion has become an art form by the left. If you use your family's drama, loss's, you are looking to sway the tide through emotion. 

We have all lost people close to us, some of us have lost children, most of us parents. That does not give us the excuse to pour our souls out in an attempt to garner sympathy. The victim mentality used by so many in this country is disgusting. Pull up your pants, get out into the day and be your dam best. Stop all the hand wringing, crying and emotional ploys to seat emotional embraces. Earn what you can and be a postive influence on those around you.

 

You make me physically ill. 

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2 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

You can't led go of the Biden thing and just admit you acted like an a**hat, can you?

You haven't a clue wether joe was grieving or if the DNC stiffed him. The overwhelming evidence in this seasons presidential election is and always has been, it's HILLARY. Joe still may get in, only after being shoved onto stage as the only savior left for the left. Like I said, denial, emotion, victim hood, that's your play book and it's worked so well with the young and old.

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1 minute ago, dirtyhairy said:

You haven't a clue wether joe was grieving or if the DNC stiffed him. The overwhelming evidence in this seasons presidential election is and always has been, it's HILLARY. Joe still may get in, only after being shoved onto stage as the only savior left for the left. Like I said, denial, emotion, victim hood, that's your play book and it's worked so well with the young and old.

I honestly believe that you have some borderline sociopathic tendencies.  I'm not being humorous or sarcastic.  Seriously, stuff like this has characteristics of a sociopathic personality.

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Nice thread here by @taygogo:

I despise Hillary Clinton. "Despise" almost seems too light. Her "super criminal" description of kids is a deep kind of dehumanization.

Hillary Clinton is an absolute warhawk. She was always the furthest on the imperial right in the Obama administration.

Hillary Clinton is absolutely a xenophobic bigot. She has voted for a border barrier & has railed against "illegal" (her word) immigrants.

Hillary Clinton is absolutely a racist advocate for the prison-industrial complex. Her campaign takes in millions from the prison industry.

Hillary took her racism to a new level in the 90s by dehumanizing black and brown youth in the hood commuting crimes as "super criminals"

She said these "kids" we're a new brand of killers without a conscious and without empathy. She defined our oppressed children as monsters.

Hillary has been a major player in every major imperial exploit of the last 13 years. From Iraq to Honduras to Haiti to Libya.

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. No matter who she is against. She will not be the lesser evil. She will be the more effective evil.

 

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25 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

DENIAL, symbolism, emotion. These are the pillars of modern liberalism. The GOP has its own problems like no resolve, plan, lack of strength in character. This is why Trump is winning.

For the people here still trying to use the ruse that Biden didn't run because his son died, I'd contend, and not 1 of you jack legs know the real reason, is because the DNC was throwing all it's weight behind Hillary. The DNC also knows the treasure troves of Idiotic Biden gaffes is a mile long. Joe Biden had to be hidden, put out to pasture for fear he would say something completely stupid at the worst possible time. Joe Biden is a multi loser on the presidential stage and the DNC has staged this entire election from debates to who the actual candidates would be. The bench was  so depleted of talent by Obama, that the left felt Hillary was their best shot.

Well, she is not only a bag of barf to most, she's not even likeable in her own party. Joe Biden may be pushed, shoved onto stage after Hillary gets indicted, or simply coughs herself into the hospital, but rest assured, Joe wanted to run and was stiffed armed back by his own party.

Using  emotion, the children, ones own children to sway emotion has become an art form by the left. If you use your family's drama, loss's, you are looking to sway the tide through emotion. 

We have all lost people close to us, some of us have lost children, most of us parents. That does not give us the excuse to pour our souls out in an attempt to garner sympathy. The victim mentality used by so many in this country is disgusting. Pull up your pants, get out into the day and be your dam best. Stop all the hand wringing, crying and emotional ploys to seat emotional embraces. Earn what you can and be a postive influence on those around you.

 

You mock and politicize a man losing a son, play the victim when called out for that ********, and claim others have a victim complex? You are cancer.

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2 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

I honestly believe that you have some borderline sociopathic tendencies.  I'm not being humorous or sarcastic.  Seriously, stuff like this has characteristics of a sociopathic personality.

More personal attacks. I'm sure your buds will "like" your post.

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Just now, dirtyhairy said:

More personal attacks. I'm sure your buds will "like" your post.

You mock a man whose son died of brain cancer and in the next post you whine about "personal attacks".  I'm just going to repost what I said about you earlier, because it sums it up nicely.

Grow the **** up.  What kind of insecure, thin-skinned little crybaby comes to these boards attacking people and then bawls like a toddler when people dish it back?  You're supposed to be this tough muscle head jock, but at core you're just an overly-sensitive little whiny brat who cries about attacks and reports stuff to the moderators when your ignorance gets exposed on the boards.  Man up or FO, creampuff.    

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2 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

You mock and politicize a man losing a son, play the victim when called out for that ********, and claim others have a victim complex? You are cancer.

Oh, and since you have a reading and comprehension problem, I never mocked Joe or his son. I stated he didn't run because of losing his son. I said the left is using Joe's loss to further their reasoning for shoving him aside. It's the left using beau's death for reasons un savory. 

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11 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

Honestly at this point I think I speak for everyone when I say this.....go **** your self....you are a miserable miserable person.

Why don't you and all you speak for go to the mods and have me banned. Like I said, denial, emotion, personal attacks is what the left is reduced to these days. I understand your issues. It started with hope and change and all you got was change in your pockets. You guys on the left will never be happy even though Obama got everything on his wish list. The left is incapable of compromise as seen with so many on this board. You guys seek to destroy opposed to debate. You cannot allow difference in opinion with out belittling and personal assault. 

The next understanding I've come to is the lefts hate for its candidates. Hillary, Bernie, plugs Biden as a possible hail mary. You guys must be all kinds of mad, disillusioned and frustrated. 

You guys cheered Obama's every executive action, every undoing of the constitution and your bench is dead because of it. America threw out liberal democrats in historical numbers these past 8 years and now all you have is the Hilly billy and wife from arkansas. 

These are truly hard times to be a democrat. You now face the prospects of a trump presidency. Boy o Boy is that gonna be a circus. You have yourselves to blame and I blame the establishment republicans for allowing Obama to walk all over them.

Sorry for you misery. Time heals all wounds and this too will come to pass. 

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27 minutes ago, Billy Ocean said:

Nice thread here by @taygogo:

I despise Hillary Clinton. "Despise" almost seems too light. Her "super criminal" description of kids is a deep kind of dehumanization.

Hillary Clinton is an absolute warhawk. She was always the furthest on the imperial right in the Obama administration.

Hillary Clinton is absolutely a xenophobic bigot. She has voted for a border barrier & has railed against "illegal" (her word) immigrants.

Hillary Clinton is absolutely a racist advocate for the prison-industrial complex. Her campaign takes in millions from the prison industry.

Hillary took her racism to a new level in the 90s by dehumanizing black and brown youth in the hood commuting crimes as "super criminals"

She said these "kids" we're a new brand of killers without a conscious and without empathy. She defined our oppressed children as monsters.

Hillary has been a major player in every major imperial exploit of the last 13 years. From Iraq to Honduras to Haiti to Libya.

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. No matter who she is against. She will not be the lesser evil. She will be the more effective evil.

 

Excellent. She can't escape the web of her past just because some today are foolish enough to make excuses and fall for the teddy bear label.

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Back to the topic...here's an interesting article about a Pew Research poll of Hispanic voters and their attitudes about the candidates:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2016/02/25/poll-trumps-negatives-among-hispanics-rise-worst-in-gop-field/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-710am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

The two most striking things to me were these graphs:

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The gap in how Hispanics view the parties in terms of immigration is gigantic and shows the perils of taking a hardline approach on illegal immigration that appeals to the right but turns off one of the fastest growing demographics in the country.  

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45 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

Like I said, Denial, emotion, victim hood. It has consumed our country and certainly the left.

I appreciate why you would ignore my posts, but there is a pretty strong consensus, including some pretty Conservative posters, that your opinion on this is pretty unfair.

Any chance you could consider the validity of the opinions that have been expressed, and reconsider your opinion on this? 

We all get things wrong sometimes.

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2 minutes ago, Billy Ocean said:

 

Except that Clinton also has over 400 superdelegates, which puts her about 20% of the way to the nomination.  That could change, and South Carolina will be revealing regarding the minority vote, but at this point it's perfectly fair to say that Clinton is the front-runner and has the best chance to win.

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If you were to look thru my posting history here, I've always said that Hillary is the clear favorite to win the Democratic nomination. Haven't heard the media talk much about the popular vote differential, though.

America has a convoluted election process, but the whole superdelegate thing is particularly funny, since the Democrats have been talking about how every person's vote must count and no one should be disenfranchised whenever the topic of voter ID laws comes up.

Anyway, good read here:

With Donald Trump Looming, Should Dems Take a Huge Electability Gamble by Nominating Hillary Clinton?

The pundit consensus — which has been wrong about everything — is that Clinton is electable and Sanders is not. The data suggests the opposite is true.

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6 minutes ago, Billy Ocean said:

If were to look thru my posting history here, I've always said that Hillary is the clear favorite to win the Democratic nomination. Haven't heard the media talk much about the popular vote differential, though.

America has a convoluted election process, but the whole superdelegate thing is particularly funny, since the Democrats have been talking about how every person's vote must count and no one should be disenfranchised whenever the topic of voter ID laws comes up.

Anyway, good read here:

With Donald Trump Looming, Should Dems Take a Huge Electability Gamble by Nominating Hillary Clinton?

The pundit consensus — which has been wrong about everything — is that Clinton is electable and Sanders is not. The data suggests the opposite is true.

Current national polls suggest Sanders would fare better. The problem there is that national polls this early mean close to nothing plus Sanders has yet to actually be attacked in a meaningful way. If he were to face someone who doesn't need to walk on egg shells as to not upset his supporters then he'll be burned at the stake for stuff like:

• Socialist by his own admission

• Supported Sandinistas over America

• Created "Sister cities" for Vermont in Soviet/Socialist nations

• Honeymoon in USSR

• Soviet Flag in Burlington office

• Calls Eugene Debs a personal hero and has/had his picture in his Office in DC

• No success in life/steady job/stability outside of government

• Rape Essay stating all women fantasize about being gang bang raped.

• Tax hikes

• Unrealistic policy goals- Even Democrats don't support them

• Voted to ship Vermont's nuclear waste to poor Hispanic town in Texas

• Age

• Ignored early reports of VA issues and dismissed them as a GOP conspiracy

• Has Super PAC and Hybrid PAC support => Hypocrisy

• Claimed cervical Cancer caused by lack of orgasms

• Anti-nuclear

• Poor personal financial planning (low personal net worth despite a quarter century of Congressional paychecks)

• Living in a Marxist-Leninist commune for months

• Leading the charge for ‘No Guns for Israel’ before and during the Yom Kippur War

• Abysmal record of accomplishments in Congress despite being there for 25 years

And so on and so forth. What would make it all worse is that since Hillary is using none of this it would all be fresh for the general election which would make them more damaging when it matters the most.

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13 minutes ago, Billy Ocean said:

America has a convoluted election process, but the whole superdelegate thing is particularly funny, since the Democrats have been talking about how every person's vote must count and no one should be disenfranchised whenever the topic of voter ID laws comes up.

I didn't even need to get to voter ID laws to laugh at the superdelegate issue.

All I had to do was note the fact that the "Democratic" party has a mechanism in place to ensure the popular will of the people can be thwarted if they decide it should be.

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