Ridder Me This Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Tamme was 11th in receptions and 10th in receiving yards last year among TEs...Ahead of the following: Jimmy Graham, Tyler Eifert, Eric Ebron, Heath Miller, Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Coby Fleener, Jared Cook, Julius Thomas, Martellius Bennett, Zach Miller, Brent Celek, Jordan Cameron, Clive Warford, Austin Sefarin-Jenkins, Maxx Williams, and Scott Chandler... Where we have been different in years past is the red zone and the TDs created by the TE...but with Julio and Freeman, the TE is going to be the 3rd option no matter what.... WE DO NOT NEED TO WASTE CAP SPACE OR DRAFT PICKS ON A TE FOR THIS OFFENSE..... It would not benefit us more than putting money in the OL and DL/OLB positions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 7 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Troffed. Man, if we just would have drafted Martez Wilson, Jarvis Jones and Derek Sharrod....we'd be 70'ed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: Tamme was 11th in receptions and 10th in receiving yards last year among TEs...Ahead of the following: Jimmy Graham, Tyler Eifert, Eric Ebron, Heath Miller, Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Coby Fleener, Jared Cook, Julius Thomas, Martellius Bennett, Zach Miller, Brent Celek, Jordan Cameron, Clive Warford, Austin Sefarin-Jenkins, Maxx Williams, and Scott Chandler... Where we have been different in years past is the red zone and the TDs created by the TE...but with Julio and Freeman, the TE is going to be the 3rd option no matter what.... WE DO NOT NEED TO WASTE CAP SPACE OR DRAFT PICKS ON A TE FOR THIS OFFENSE..... It would not benefit us more than putting money in the OL and DL/OLB positions... 1) Investing in a quality TE like Dwayne Allen would have spill over benefit to the OL. 2) We have zero viable secondary receiving options as it stands now. So whether its a TE or a WR2, we're going to need to invest....and heavily. Using your set up here, Julian Edelman would be the 3rd option in New England. Martavis Bryant would be the 3rd option in Pittsburgh. Travis Kelce would be the 3rd option in KC. Tyler Eifert would be the 3rd option in Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Miller2Rison said: who was that TE that we had that played in like 1 game, had an amazing RAC for a TD and amazing catch then we never seen him again? Maybe hes the answer. Tony Moeaki. He's pretty much had his opportunities in the league, but has failed time and time again to keep his consistency. Not for lack of talent though. He has had really bad luck with injuries too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigerfan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 We really need that chain mover either as the #2/slot receiver or TE. This is what Ryan has been missing since Gonzo retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 If Tamme could also block, he'd be great. Unfortunately, he can't, so we do need an upgrade at some point, especially for this scheme, where a guy that can do both is very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: 1) Investing in a quality TE like Dwayne Allen would have spill over benefit to the OL. 2) We have zero viable secondary receiving options as it stands now. So whether its a TE or a WR2, we're going to need to invest....and heavily. Using your set up here, Julian Edelman would be the 3rd option in New England. Martavis Bryant would be the 3rd option in Pittsburgh. Travis Kelce would be the 3rd option in KC. Tyler Eifert would be the 3rd option in Cincinnati. My thought is if we can find a way to bring in another solid receiving option at tight end, our resilience against injury goes up a good bit on top of improving our overall efficiency as well. Right now if Tamme goes down the lack of quality pass catchers on the roster becomes a severe issue. I don't mind upgrading receiver either, but i think adding to the tight end position helps in more areas than just catching the ball. Adding a quality tight end is going to improve the run game as well as the play action. So in this scheme I think we get more bang for our buck going that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 On 2/17/2016 at 0:01 AM, MoFalconsFan56 said: We need to trade for a Jimmy Graham On 2/17/2016 at 10:50 AM, ThrowItToSvitek said: Don't know how realistic this is, but it almost certainly would fix our massive red zone problems in an awesome way! No it wouldn't because Jimmy Graham isn't Tony G. Graham doesn't make the tough catches that Tony G did because Graham is afraid of getting hit. He's a glorified WR in a TE's body. Sure he's fast but big whoopied doo. Fixing our red zone problems would be to actually use Julio in the red zone and to put Roddy in the slot in the red zone and let him use his size against linebackers the way you would expect a TE to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: Tamme was 11th in receptions and 10th in receiving yards last year among TEs...Ahead of the following: Jimmy Graham, Tyler Eifert, Eric Ebron, Heath Miller, Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Coby Fleener, Jared Cook, Julius Thomas, Martellius Bennett, Zach Miller, Brent Celek, Jordan Cameron, Clive Warford, Austin Sefarin-Jenkins, Maxx Williams, and Scott Chandler... Where we have been different in years past is the red zone and the TDs created by the TE...but with Julio and Freeman, the TE is going to be the 3rd option no matter what.... WE DO NOT NEED TO WASTE CAP SPACE OR DRAFT PICKS ON A TE FOR THIS OFFENSE..... It would not benefit us more than putting money in the OL and DL/OLB positions... Yeah Jacob Tamme was fine in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: 1) Investing in a quality TE like Dwayne Allen would have spill over benefit to the OL. 2) We have zero viable secondary receiving options as it stands now. So whether its a TE or a WR2, we're going to need to invest....and heavily. Using your set up here, Julian Edelman would be the 3rd option in New England. Martavis Bryant would be the 3rd option in Pittsburgh. Travis Kelce would be the 3rd option in KC. Tyler Eifert would be the 3rd option in Cincinnati. We need a legit #2 WR. TE is fine this year because Tamme is solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Lornoth said: If Tamme could also block, he'd be great. Unfortunately, he can't, so we do need an upgrade at some point, especially for this scheme, where a guy that can do both is very important. Then that rules out Graham as well not that I was one of the ones wanting him, I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 21 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Then that rules out Graham as well not that I was one of the ones wanting him, I don't. Indeed it does, which is what I try telling people everytime he's brought up around here. If you need a TE, you don't go out and get a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I think we can take care of both TE1 and WR2 for relatively small investment. I think you could get Kearse and Allen on two years deals for first year cap hits totalling ~$5-7m. Thats a small price to pay for a pretty significant upgrade to the offense. Ryan/DiMarco/Freeman/Coleman/Julio/Kearse/Allen/Tamme/Hardy/Draft Pick/UDFA/veteran is a pretty potent collection of skill players. Especially if Hardy continues to progress like he did late in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I think we can take care of both TE1 and WR2 for relatively small investment. I think you could get Kearse and Allen on two years deals for first year cap hits totalling ~$5-7m. Thats a small price to pay for a pretty significant upgrade to the offense. Ryan/DiMarco/Freeman/Coleman/Julio/Kearse/Allen/Tamme/Hardy/Draft Pick/UDFA/veteran is a pretty potent collection of skill players. Especially if Hardy continues to progress like he did late in the season. I get what you're saying and don't disagree but if it comes down to an either or situation then it's no doubt you take the receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: No it wouldn't because Jimmy Graham isn't Tony G. Graham doesn't make the tough catches that Tony G did because Graham is afraid of getting hit. He's a glorified WR in a TE's body. Sure he's fast but big whoopied doo. Fixing our red zone problems would be to actually use Julio in the red zone and to put Roddy in the slot in the red zone and let him use his size against linebackers the way you would expect a TE to work. Jimmy Graham is not Tony G you're right but he's a **** good TE. I'm not sure what you're getting at however ask yourself this. Are we a better team w Tamme or Graham? I think we all know the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Btw guys Tony G was never really a good blocker and we all loved him. The only guy that is great at blocking and receiving is Gronk. The tight end position you guys want is kinda extinct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, MoFalconsFan56 said: Jimmy Graham is not Tony G you're right but he's a **** good TE. I'm not sure what you're getting at however ask yourself this. Are we a better team w Tamme or Graham? I think we all know the answer My point is that if you're expecting him to come in and be Matt Ryan's go to man in crunch time and in the red zone and come up big you're going to be extremely disappointed. Jimmy Graham is not that guy and has never been that guy. Graham is a WR playing at TE. He's not Tony G. He's not Gronk. He's not Tyler Eifert. He's not Antonio Gates. I want a real TE. Not a poser and Graham is a poser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 32 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: My point is that if you're expecting him to come in and be Matt Ryan's go to man in crunch time and in the red zone and come up big you're going to be extremely disappointed. Jimmy Graham is not that guy and has never been that guy. Graham is a WR playing at TE. He's not Tony G. He's not Gronk. He's not Tyler Eifert. He's not Antonio Gates. I want a real TE. Not a poser and Graham is a poser. Jimmy Graham is a big target in the middle who's still a matchup nightmare. Agree to disagree cuz I would love him here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just now, MoFalconsFan56 said: Jimmy Graham is a big target in the middle who's still a matchup nightmare. Agree to disagree cuz I would love him here I don't disagree that he's a big target but that doesn't mean anything to me because Graham gets gator arms too much. Tony G would go up and make the catch and not care about getting hit. Graham won't because he's scared of getting hit. That is what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said: I don't disagree that he's a big target but that doesn't mean anything to me because Graham gets gator arms too much. Tony G would go up and make the catch and not care about getting hit. Graham won't because he's scared of getting hit. That is what I'm talking about. Maybe but he has 53 touchdowns and 5,400 yard w those gator arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 hour ago, MoFalconsFan56 said: Btw guys Tony G was never really a good blocker and we all loved him. The only guy that is great at blocking and receiving is Gronk. The tight end position you guys want is kinda extinct Not true at all. A lot of the best TE's are at minimum good blockers. Graham's a straight liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Lornoth said: Not true at all. A lot of the best TE's are at minimum good blockers. Graham's a straight liability. Idk I think a lot of ppl still hate on Graham as if he's still w the Saints. Jimmy Graham is a great tight end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I tell you what give me this guy in the second tho and jimmy Graham can suck it http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2616093-hunter-henry-is-2016-nfl-drafts-best-tight-end-and-its-not-close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, MoFalconsFan56 said: Idk I think a lot of ppl still hate on Graham as if he's still w the Saints. Jimmy Graham is a great tight end My posts about Graham has nothing to do with hating him from playing for the Saints. Look at how many Saints fans were happy that they got rid of him. If Graham is all that then why would they be thrilled about getting rid of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 23 minutes ago, MoFalconsFan56 said: Idk I think a lot of ppl still hate on Graham as if he's still w the Saints. Jimmy Graham is a great tight end While I'm not a fan of Graham as a person, that's not the reasoning here. He's a slot receiver, realistically. A very good one, but that's what he is. For some schemes, that's good enough for a TE. For teams like us, or the Hawks, we need an actual TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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