PK Manley Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Old Pappy falcon said: If that is the true amount.............it all works together. You don't think that kind of money would buy a break out player huh? Or help with another salary of need? If we needed the cap space, maybe it would help a bit, but we don't as of right now. I just don't think ~$2 million of a $150+ million salary cap should be the reason to let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel_Bird Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Didn't roddy say recently he would not take a pay cut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, PK Manley said: If we needed the cap space, maybe it would help a bit, but we don't as of right now. I just don't think ~$2 million of a $150+ million salary cap should be the reason to let him go. Exactly. There's absolutely no legit reason to cut Roddy White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 3:16 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Think maybe the declining targets might be a byproduct of him not getting open or does that not fit with your homer narrative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, Keith 3:16 said: Think maybe the declining targets might be a byproduct of him not getting open or does that not fit with your homer narrative? There were quite a few times early in the season where Roddy was open and Ryan threw it somewhere else. But nice try "objective realist." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 3:16 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: There were quite a few times early in the season where Roddy was open and Ryan threw it somewhere else. But nice try "objective realist." Wide open in the context of the play or was get getting open because he was running a play that the rest of the offense was no?? On numerous occasions it was stated that Roddy did not know the playbook early on and that is why he was not getting ball...his own QB said it. He is done....so your going to have to peel that suspiciously sticky Roddy White fathead off the wall and find someone new to "worship". Edited February 15, 2016 by Keith 3:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlrfalcon Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Roddy's problem was not his lack of production last year but the offensive coordinator's failure to utilize him. The coordinator had Julio running short routes that were ideal for a solid WR like Roddy instead of having Julio actually utilize his speed on deeper routes. Roddy's situation now is a lot like Tony G's situation in KC right before he came to Atlanta where KC gave up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, Keith 3:16 said: Wide open in the context of the play or was get getting open because he was running a play that the rest of the offense was no?? On numerous occasions it was stated that Roddy did not know the playbook early on and that is why he was not getting ball...his own QB said it. He is done....so your going to have to peel that suspiciously stick Roddy White fathead off the wall and find someone new to "worship". Funny how Roddy somehow didn't know the playbook and yet on opening night he was targeted 8 times and had 4 catches for 84 yards (21.0). It took the next 4 games combined for Roddy to get more than 8 targets. So you mean to tell me Roddy knew the playbook good enough for 8 targets on opening night and then didn't know the playbook anymore and was regulated to 9 targets total in the next 4 games combined? Yeah I don't buy that. Oh and that last sentence is the type of crap that people hate because it has nothing to do with why I think Roddy shouldn't be cut. It's a personal insult that is an COC violation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, jlrfalcon said: Roddy's problem was not his lack of production last year but the offensive coordinator's failure to utilize him. The coordinator had Julio running short routes that were ideal for a solid WR like Roddy instead of having Julio actually utilize his speed on deeper routes. Roddy's situation now is a lot like Tony G's situation in KC right before he came to Atlanta where KC gave up on him. Also early in the season for some reason Shanahan felt the need to force feed Hankerson into the offense even though Hankerson can't catch a cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 3:16 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Funny how Roddy somehow didn't know the playbook and yet on opening night he was targeted 8 times and had 4 catches for 84 yards (21.0). It took the next 4 games combined for Roddy to get more than 8 targets. So you mean to tell me Roddy knew the playbook good enough for 8 targets on opening night and then didn't know the playbook anymore and was regulated to 9 targets total in the next 4 games combined? Yeah I don't buy that. Oh and that last sentence is the type of crap that people hate because it has nothing to do with why I think Roddy shouldn't be cut. It's a personal insult that is an COC violation. This is a useless debate. It actually not a debate because Roddy is absolute garbage at this point but all my b!tching and moaning will not make our front office better so sadly he will be back again this year and maybe even next to draw absolutely no coverage his way. I figure the defenses will start covering him with their nose tackle since that is the about speed that White's game has now. Keep bringing up that 1st game though when both teams get their first real action of the season and base your rational on the chaos of opening night...both DB's and WR's would tell you that it is free for all that opening week or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 3:16 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Oh and that last sentence is the type of crap that people hate because it has nothing to do with why I think Roddy shouldn't be cut. It's a personal insult that is an COC violation. Hit home huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, Keith 3:16 said: Hit home huh? Nope because I don't own a fathead and I most certainly don't worship Roddy White or anyone else that plays for the Falcons. But think whatever makes you happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Keith 3:16 said: This is a useless debate. It actually not a debate because Roddy is absolute garbage at this point but all my b!tching and moaning will not make our front office better so sadly he will be back again this year and maybe even next to draw absolutely no coverage his way. I figure the defenses will start covering him with their nose tackle since that is the about speed that White's game has now. Keep bringing up that 1st game though when both teams get their first real action of the season and base your rational on the chaos of opening night...both DB's and WR's would tell you that it is free for all that opening week or 2. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Of course that's typical from the posters like you that wish everyone could see things with the "objective" lenses that you see things through. I'll gladly be a homer in this case because at least I'm a real fan that can see both the positives and the negatives of the Falcons and Roddy White is one of the positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconfansince66 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 This needs to STOP! Is RW washed up? I don't think so. Sure, he is on the decline considering his age but the guy can still play. What the Falcons should do is draft/sign another outside WR who can stretch the field AND be a red zone asset. Then Roddy can take the slot (along with Hardy) wreak havoc under the zone and beating weak inner coverage which he still should be capable of doing. This would also bode well for Hardy in gaining experience and providing reps to keep BOTH WR's fresh using a rotation. Roddy White has at least earned an opportunity to retire as a Falcon but it should be made clear to him that if he cannot produce in this particular level that this would be his last year as a Falcon and that he should consider retiring as such. I sure would like to see him be able to step up and be that awesome WR we had from '08-'12 but age creeps up on everyone. But if we acquire a really good outside threat to compliment Julio, it's going to compliment Roddy/Justin three-fold. So, I simply say, keep White for a '2016 Finale' if that's what it may be. He's earned that deal and taking care of those players who've given it all for a career for this franchise and being allowed to leave on their terms would be a huge boost towards this team in signing (and keeping) great talent in the future. Sure, this is a business, but you've also got to reward those who've kept seats filled and televisions sets tuned in. Roddy White has definitely provided his share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, falconfansince66 said: This needs to STOP! Is RW washed up? I don't think so. Sure, he is on the decline considering his age but the guy can still play. What the Falcons should do is draft/sign another outside WR who can stretch the field AND be a red zone asset. Then Roddy can take the slot (along with Hardy) wreak havoc under the zone and beating weak inner coverage which he still should be capable of doing. This would also bode well for Hardy in gaining experience and providing reps to keep BOTH WR's fresh using a rotation. Roddy White has at least earned an opportunity to retire as a Falcon but it should be made clear to him that if he cannot produce in this particular level that this would be his last year as a Falcon and that he should consider retiring as such. I sure would like to see him be able to step up and be that awesome WR we had from '08-'12 but age creeps up on everyone. But if we acquire a really good outside threat to compliment Julio, it's going to compliment Roddy/Justin three-fold. So, I simply say, keep White for a '2016 Finale' if that's what it may be. He's earned that deal and taking care of those players who've given it all for a career for this franchise and being allowed to leave on their terms would be a huge boost towards this team in signing (and keeping) great talent in the future. Sure, this is a business, but you've also got to reward those who've kept seats filled and televisions sets tuned in. Roddy White has definitely provided his share! Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 This debate reminds me of the complaints about Tony G before he retired. Many poster claimed he was slow and holding Matt Ryan back because was allegedly demanding Matt throw him the ball. With 5 draft picks, limited cap space it makes Zero sense to create another hold to fill this off-season. Many people claimed Hankerson would come in and push Roddy but the dude could not catch and couldn't not stay healthy. For all those cut Roddy people, name a viable option to replace him with that will play here for the 3.5 million we are paying him this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 hours ago, Old Pappy falcon said: True, we need to stop nickel and dime'in every dang thing. I tell ya what hurts us also, is not doing trade's and picking up guys during the season. If we are serious about a championship, we have to spend and stop signing players that just left an old folks home or the emergency room. Agree on both points, but I don't see any change in that philosophy even with the regime change. Because the regime change did not include Gel Boy, who happens to be in lock-step with the new HC in believing the best way to get awesome is to bring in scrubs, senior citizens and cripples by the trainload. There's bound to be some pro-bowlers in there if you just keep sifting. But ignoring needs when you're sitting on ample cap money to make moves for proven talent is worst than being overly frugal. It calls into question Blank's mantra that he's only in this to win a SB, not just because even the bottom-feeder NFL teams make money like they have their own printing presses. I understand the idea you want to leave some money for an emergency, but that's been over-emphasized. If the opening of the new barn in 2017 doesn't end up being an epic fail of biblical proportions, Blank and TD are going to have to bring in more high-dollar, proven talent and less of the usual supects. You really want to win, you put your money where your mouth is and bring in some play-makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: Exactly. There's absolutely no legit reason to cut Roddy White. How can you think that when you see other, young wr's doing it better? Look how grimes turned out on defense and wasn't getting that type of money at first. You know as well as I do, it's all about how bad his knee is every year without fail. Gotta go a different direction if we "really" mean biz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 50 minutes ago, PokerSteve said: Agree on both points, but I don't see any change in that philosophy even with the regime change. Because the regime change did not include Gel Boy, who happens to be in lock-step with the new HC in believing the best way to get awesome is to bring in scrubs, senior citizens and cripples by the trainload. There's bound to be some pro-bowlers in there if you just keep sifting. But ignoring needs when you're sitting on ample cap money to make moves for proven talent is worst than being overly frugal. It calls into question Blank's mantra that he's only in this to win a SB, not just because even the bottom-feeder NFL teams make money like they have their own printing presses. I understand the idea you want to leave some money for an emergency, but that's been over-emphasized. If the opening of the new barn in 2017 doesn't end up being an epic fail of biblical proportions, Blank and TD are going to have to bring in more high-dollar, proven talent and less of the usual supects. You really want to win, you put your money where your mouth is and bring in some play-makers. Right on poker! That's all we have seen in recent years. It has to stop for us to even believe, we are going to be successful at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, Old Pappy falcon said: How can you think that when you see other, young wr's doing it better? Look how grimes turned out on defense and wasn't getting that type of money at first. You know as well as I do, it's all about how bad his knee is every year without fail. Gotta go a different direction if we "really" mean biz! Because Roddy White is still a valuable asset to the team. Just because we keep Roddy doesn't mean we can't bring in someone new to be the #2 receiver. You need 4 solid receiving options in today's NFL and the Falcons don't have that. If you cut Roddy then you need to bring in two more receivers instead of just one. Julio, Hardy, Roddy, another WR with Nick Williams as the 5th man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Because Roddy White is still a valuable asset to the team. Just because we keep Roddy doesn't mean we can't bring in someone new to be the #2 receiver. You need 4 solid receiving options in today's NFL and the Falcons don't have that. If you cut Roddy then you need to bring in two more receivers instead of just one. Julio, Hardy, Roddy, another WR with Nick Williams as the 5th man. Good gawd, I love the man with all my heart...believe me when I tell you this! He's around my neck of the woods neighbor and I'm proud of him, but I would say now he'd do better coaching the young talent coming in....not playing anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, Old Pappy falcon said: Good gawd, I love the man with all my heart...believe me when I tell you this! He's around my neck of the woods neighbor and I'm proud of him, but I would say now he'd do better coaching the young talent coming in....not playing anymore. Was Roddy White useful in 2013 and 2014? If that answer is yes then there's no way you can say he was done in 2015 because on a per catch basis his 2015 lines up exactly with his 2013 and 2014 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Was Roddy White useful in 2013 and 2014? If that answer is yes then there's no way you can say he was done in 2015 because on a per catch basis his 2015 lines up exactly with his 2013 and 2014 seasons. Of course he was useful, but not to the extent we needed him to be. Roddy was having down yrs before magic man shanahan came here. A lot of young baller's out there right now doing a way better job. If the man has been having knee pain for some time now, it only get's worse with age......not better. I would only hope for a miracle with him, if he was playing next season with us. Love the guy, but we have to move on man. lol, not to mention shanahan's plan for him (rolling my eye's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, Old Pappy falcon said: Of course he was useful, but not to the extent we needed him to be. Roddy was having down yrs before magic man shanahan came here. A lot of young baller's out there right now doing a way better job. If the man has been having knee pain for some time now, it only get's worse with age......not better. I would only hope for a miracle with him, if he was playing next season with us. Love the guy, but we have to move on man. Roddy White can still be a dangerous slot receiver and red zone threat if we use him right. We definitely need a legit #2 receiver. But why create a whole when we don't need to? It's basic common sense that you can only bring in so many new players in one offseason and if you dump Roddy then the Falcons have to bring in two legit receivers not to mention all the other holes we need to fill. It's just not smart business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Roddy White can still be a dangerous slot receiver and red zone threat if we use him right. We definitely need a legit #2 receiver. But why create a whole when we don't need to? It's basic common sense that you can only bring in so many new players in one offseason and if you dump Roddy then the Falcons have to bring in two legit receivers not to mention all the other holes we need to fill. It's just not smart business. Well, we will see of course and can only hope for the best outcome possible 567. Super Bowl or bust huh? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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