atljbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: Lol go look at what Brian Okarpo signed for coming off 2 straight season ending injuries. If you think Williams will be signing "prove it" deals based off 1 down year playing in a scheme that doesn't play to his strengths your kidding you self. Yea he will get a peppers type deal ... 4 years for 8-9 mil a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 10 minutes ago, atljbo said: Yea he will get a peppers type deal ... 4 years for 8-9 mil a year said that in another thread, somewhere in 3 year 25 mil area, but was told that was not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 hour ago, AndySG said: Olivier Vernon. I don't buy into the "he has a dominant line around him" argument. He looked good without Suh and Wake. Getting a legit pass rusher would instantly improve all aspects of our D. 1 hour ago, atlGM said: The soon to be free agent Mario Williams Been thinking about this for weeks. Agreed and it's Williams for me aswell in the end it's his versatility that gives him the nod. From all reports he's hungry and looking for a fresh start and a coach who will feature his skills enter DQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, birdz4i said: said that in another thread, somewhere in 3 year 25 mil area, but was told that was not realistic. And I feel like it will be incentive laden as was Peppers' deal. We could essentially get him at 7.5 to 8 mil/year Vernon's and Miller's deals should be the only 2 that eclipse 9 mil or hit double digits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 52 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Williams wont cost anything near Vernon. He's hitting 30 and coming off a down year due to not fitting in the Rex Ryan 3-4. He's on "prove it" deals for the rest of his career. Williams is a 4-3 end who excels at pinning his ears back and going after the quarterback. Under Ryan, and most 3-4 schemes for that matter, defensive ends are asked to eat up blockers. That's not Williams' game. A Beasley/Williams combo could be lethal. I don't think Mario will sign prove it deals I still see him gettting between 8-12 mill per. The guy is a proven commodity in this league and will get payed like it the only thing holding him back from max money is age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just now, kiwifalcon said: I don't think Mario will sign prove it deals I still see him gettting between 8-12 mill per. The guy is a proven commodity in this league and will get payed like it the nay thing holding him back from max money is age. As far as prove it, I mean an incentive laden deal that has low guaranteed money. The contract will look healthy, but it wont be based off of potential like younger guys get. It will be based off of production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 23 minutes ago, atljbo said: I get that.. He will play closer to the LOS but we also ask our SS to Cover TEs at times ... I get the feeling from the things I've read that he could do that without an issue. I'm sure the Rams asked him to cover as an LB during his snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: As far as prove it, I mean an incentive laden deal that has low guaranteed money. The contract will look healthy, but it wont be based off of potential like younger guys get. It will be based off of production. This is still a business for players I still believe because he s a pass rusher in that upper echelon he'll still get that guaranteed money.Willams has nothing to prove here he has been a double digit sack guy his whole career so I'd be very surprised if he took a discount deal now if anything this is his last contract so he'll be looking for added security financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: The scheme argument will only get him so far in a league based off of productivity and numbers. His numbers we're down and he's getting up there in age by nfl standards. That means more at the negotiating table than scheme fit. He should get a deal similar to what Peppers got when he landed in Green Bay, which was considered a steal of a deal at the time. Peppers was also coming off a solid season. Wanna bet Williams signs a deal the avg at least 9.5/y? Winner gets to chose the others avi for a year? Williams will be a hot commodity if he is released. Espically with the Broncos showing how important a pass rush is. Edited February 11, 2016 by Bobby.Digital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridder Me This Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 More conisderation.... Olivier Vernon on a 5 year, $45 million deal.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: More conisderation.... Olivier Vernon on a 5 year, $45 million deal.... I see more like 5 year 60-70 mill myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: Wanna bet Williams signs a deal the avg at least 9.5/y? Winner gets to chose the others avi for a year? Williams will be a hot commodity if he is released. Espically with the Broncos showing how important a pass rush is. Dude is 31 coming off a 5 sack season... Yea I'll take that bet. 9.5/yr is ridiculous money to give an aging player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXVIII-III Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Alex Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 For me Mario Williams & Ben Jones. Williams still has something left in the tank. Jones would be perfect here I am only afraid Houston won't let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Dude is 31 coming off a 5 sack season... Yea I'll take that bet. 9.5/yr is ridiculous money to give an aging player. No no no he wasn't happy how he was being used in that scheme. You don't judge Marios future deal off that down year it's his body or work his agent will use the teams will use age as there defense.Mario is upper echelon talent in FA market and will get paid accordingly also with the rising cap don't be surprised if Mario gets 10+ a season.Structure will be key for us to get a workable deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryka Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Maybe the OP could have titled the thread differently. Who would singularly make the most impact? A good DE? A good WLB? A good C? another big WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 16 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Dude is 31 coming off a 5 sack season... Yea I'll take that bet. 9.5/yr is ridiculous money to give an aging player. Peppers was 33 to 34 years old when he was coming off a 7 sack season with the Bears .... He signed a 3 year deal for 8.6 mil a year with the packers. Mario Williams is coming off a 5 sack season but 2 things work in his favor... 1. He is younger then Pep ... 2. EVERYBODY on that DLine had a down year under Rex ..And also complained about Rex scheme not fitting what they do .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 24 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Dude is 31 coming off a 5 sack season... Yea I'll take that bet. 9.5/yr is ridiculous money to give an aging player. Lol ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, atljbo said: Peppers was 33 to 34 years old when he was coming off a 7 sack season with the Bears .... He signed a 3 year deal for 8.6 mil a year with the packers. Mario Williams is coming off a 5 sack season but 2 things work in his favor... 1. He is younger then Pep ... 2. EVERYBODY on that DLine had a down year under Rex .. I see where you're coming from. I just cant see signing a guy at 31 for 10mil/yr. 5 sacks on the year at age 31 is different from 7 at age 34. 10+mil a year is prime of career type money. I've been saying that the highest I'd go for Williams is 9mil a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridder Me This Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 47 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: I see more like 5 year 60-70 mill myself. I wouldn't go high than $60 million on the deal...that is steep...I get it, and I also understand this year's free agency is "weak" on defensive ends...but that is really steep... I would still be esctatic if we hauled in the following: Free Agency: Olivier Vernon DE (5 years, $60 million), Jeff Allen OG (4 years, $18 million), Jermaine Kearse WR (4 years, $16 million), Ahtyba Rubin DT (2 years, $5 million) Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith OLB / 2. BPA at SS (Darian Thompson) / 3. BPA at ILB (Antonio Morrison) / 4. BPA at OC (Graham Glasgow) Upgraded starters at the following: OC, RG, #2WR, LDE, OLB, ILB, SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: I see where you're coming from. I just cant see signing a guy at 31 for 10mil/yr. 5 sacks on the year at age 31 is different from 7 at age 34. 10+mil a year is prime of career type money. I've been saying that the highest I'd go for Williams is 9mil a year. 10 + a year isn't prime $$$$$$ 15-16 is where the top guys like Watt Wilkerson and co will be living. Why are you basing what you think Mario is worth off a bad season where he wasn't being used properly.Why are you assuming Mario is coming to the ATL for 8 a year to me ths is a pipe dream.Fans want Irvin for 8 a season and you can best believe that will be a stretch.Williams isn't taking any fans discount I will say it now I believe Mario will get between 9-12 per season the way we make it work is back load his hits so he's cuttable in years 3 and 4 which would make him 33-34 ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: I see where you're coming from. I just cant see signing a guy at 31 for 10mil/yr. 5 sacks on the year at age 31 is different from 7 at age 34. 10+mil a year is prime of career type money. I've been saying that the highest I'd go for Williams is 9mil a year. Actually if you are a top rusher in your prime .. You are getting 12plus mil a year .. Again Derek Wolfe had 5.5 sacks and he just got 9.6 mil a year. And the Mario Williams situation looks better then PEPs did .. Again there whole dline had a down year... Marcelo dareus went from 10 sacks to 2 sacks under Rex. . jerry Hughes went from 10 sacks to 5 sacks under Rex ... There whole dline complained about the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: I wouldn't go high than $60 million on the deal...that is steep...I get it, and I also understand this year's free agency is "weak" on defensive ends...but that is really steep... I would still be esctatic if we hauled in the following: Free Agency: Olivier Vernon DE (5 years, $60 million), Jeff Allen OG (4 years, $18 million), Jermaine Kearse WR (4 years, $16 million), Ahtyba Rubin DT (2 years, $5 million) Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith OLB / 2. BPA at SS (Darian Thompson) / 3. BPA at ILB (Antonio Morrison) / 4. BPA at OC (Graham Glasgow) Upgraded starters at the following: OC, RG, #2WR, LDE, OLB, ILB, SS I don't think it is personally I think Vernon s in the category below Watt Wilkerson Houston and co and they got that 80-100 mill over 5-6 years so basically sitting Vernon in that 12-14 mill per is about right to me over the same yearly period.Now my caveat is do I think these guys are worth that well not really but the market speaks and end of the day someone will pay that for Vernon's talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 27 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: I see where you're coming from. I just cant see signing a guy at 31 for 10mil/yr. 5 sacks on the year at age 31 is different from 7 at age 34. 10+mil a year is prime of career type money. I've been saying that the highest I'd go for Williams is 9mil a year. Yea If we are gonna have spend 10 I think we'd have to pass. But man we need a proven pass rusher in a bad way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 15 minutes ago, atlGM said: Yea If we are gonna have spend 10 I think we'd have to pass. But man we need a proven pass rusher in a bad way. You must pay to get a rusher ... Even if you draft a guy ... Von miller is about to get grandtheft auto money ... We have Beasley for cheap for at least 4 more years ... But we need to add a proven rusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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