YoungHeezy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 As a fan I'm not sure how I'd react if that was the Falcons in the Super Bowl and Ryan stated after the game that he didn't dive because he didn't want to risk injury. While that excuse is VERY valid as Matt has to think about himself first and foremost, it's also possible that the Falcons could never reach the Super Bowl again and that would be the lasting impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, gazoo said: Within the first few years starts this draft. The next sentence says "thinking Matt Ryan is the only QB to lead us to success is silly" in other words, he's suggesting effective right now it's silly to think Matt Ryan is he only QB to leaded us to success. there is also an inference that it is going to be easy to replace Ryan whenever that says comes and that is also false. Teams go year drafting QBs trying to find one as good as Ryan. Like I pointed out and like he pointed out, 49ers, and Packers were able to sustain multiple decades of success across multiple QBs because they had their next QB on the roster for a few years prior to them having to play. That is what he means by saying that it's silly to think Matt Ryan is the only QB that can lead the Falcons to cuess. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy to replace Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, gazoo said: If it as clear as day the first two people reading it wouldn't have misinterpreted the point he was trying to communicate. Seems everyone is missing everyone else's point. Mine is this: I would not spend ANY 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB UNTIL Matt Ryan's in his last year of playing. Reason being we are HORRIBLY depleted in terms of NON SKILL PLAYER talent on this team. We need 3-5 years of those 1st & 2nds to be spent on repairing our lines & our LB corps. You are assuming that finding an Aaron Rodgers or a Steve Young is the norm and not the exception that it is. Your chance of drafting a QB a year before Matt Retires or after that is a starting caliber is just a good as your chance of drafting a QB with a premium draft pick in 3-5 years. You seem to be **** bent on spending a premium pick sooner that I would considering our circumstances so have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said: Seems everyone is missing everyone else's point. Mine is this: I would not spend ANY 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB UNTIL Matt Ryan's in his last year of playing. Reason being we are HORRIBLY depleted in terms of NON SKILL PLAYER talent on this team. We need 3-5 years of those 1st & 2nds to be spent on repairing our lines & our LB corps. You are assuming that finding an Aaron Rodgers or a Steve Young is the norm and not the exception that it is. Your chance of drafting a QB a year before Matt Retires or after that is a starting caliber is just a good as your chance of drafting a QB with a premium draft pick in 3-5 years. You seem to be **** bent on spending a premium pick sooner that I would considering our circumstances so have at it. Agreed, Ryan ain't going anywhere anytime soon. He's one of the best QBs in the NFL regardless of how some in our fanbase present otherwise with inferences we could easily replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said: Seems everyone is missing everyone else's point. Mine is this: I would not spend ANY 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB UNTIL Matt Ryan's in his last year of playing. Reason being we are HORRIBLY depleted in terms of NON SKILL PLAYER talent on this team. We need 3-5 years of those 1st & 2nds to be spent on repairing our lines & our LB corps. You are assuming that finding an Aaron Rodgers or a Steve Young is the norm and not the exception that it is. Your chance of drafting a QB a year before Matt Retires or after that is a starting caliber is just a good as your chance of drafting a QB with a premium draft pick in 3-5 years. You seem to be **** bent on spending a premium pick sooner that I would considering our circumstances so have at it. I think if we wait until his last year we won't be able to make the transition smooth. If we don't want a huge drop off that is. It's best to have his replacement on the roster so they can be learning and studying him so when he does hang up his cleats it can be a smooth transition in the mold of Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Danny White etc...When you wait til the last minute there will be a drop off unless you're rebuilding and that's your plan anyway but if you still have a good team and you want to continue to have a good team then you have to create an assembly line team. Have the pieces waiting to replace old pieces. We'll never be on a NE, GB, Type level if we continue to wait until we absolutely need a piece. To be good is to plan ahead. That way you don't necessarily have to fall in love with players that price themselves out if the market because you have the replacement already on the roster. The only constant a team should have is the franchise quarterback. When he's established he stays until he hangs it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: I think if we wait until his last year we won't be able to make the transition smooth. If we don't want a huge drop off that is. It's best to have his replacement on the roster so they can be learning and studying him so when he does hang up his cleats it can be a smooth transition in the mold of Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Danny White etc...When you wait til the last minute there will be a drop off unless you're rebuilding and that's your plan anyway but if you still have a good team and you want to continue to have a good team then you have to create an assembly line team. Have the pieces waiting to replace old pieces. We'll never be on a NE, GB, Type level if we continue to wait until we absolutely need a piece. To be good is to plan ahead. That way you don't necessarily have to fall in love with players that price themselves out if the market because you have the replacement already on the roster. The only constant a team should have is the franchise quarterback. When he's established he stays until he hangs it up. If we had different circumstances on how the foundation of this team currently stands I would agree with you. However, with the current state of this roster I just can't agree with that route. Teams that already have solid rosters in terms of depth, quality, etc. can make what I would call a luxury item spend on a "QB in waiting" . Right now it would be too big of a risk that they would not pan out (Matt Shaub in example). Just too many things we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 38 minutes ago, gazoo said: Within the first few years starts this draft. The next sentence says "thinking Matt Ryan is the only QB to lead us to success is silly" in other words, he's suggesting effective right now it's silly to think Matt Ryan is he only QB to leaded us to success. there is also an inference that it is going to be easy to replace Ryan whenever that says comes and that is also false. Teams go year drafting QBs trying to find one as good as Ryan. LMAO so now you're gonna break down what I mean for me when you've already admitted that you misinterpreted what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Godzilla1985 said: Seems everyone is missing everyone else's point. Mine is this: I would not spend ANY 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB UNTIL Matt Ryan's in his last year of playing. Reason being we are HORRIBLY depleted in terms of NON SKILL PLAYER talent on this team. We need 3-5 years of those 1st & 2nds to be spent on repairing our lines & our LB corps. You are assuming that finding an Aaron Rodgers or a Steve Young is the norm and not the exception that it is. Your chance of drafting a QB a year before Matt Retires or after that is a starting caliber is just a good as your chance of drafting a QB with a premium draft pick in 3-5 years. You seem to be **** bent on spending a premium pick sooner that I would considering our circumstances so have at it. See that's the thing though, the Falcons aren't that bad. We're not that talent depleted to where it's going to take 3-5 years of 1st and 2nd round picks to fix our team. Also we don't know when Ryan's last year is going to be unless you're Miss Cleo and can predict the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: See that's the thing though, the Falcons aren't that bad. We're not that talent depleted to where it's going to take 3-5 years of 1st and 2nd round picks to fix our team. Also we don't know when Ryan's last year is going to be unless you're Miss Cleo and can predict the future. Absolutely. We're really only a few pieces and mastering the new system away from being dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 hours ago, YoungHeezy said: As a fan I'm not sure how I'd react if that was the Falcons in the Super Bowl and Ryan stated after the game that he didn't dive because he didn't want to risk injury. While that excuse is VERY valid as Matt has to think about himself first and foremost, it's also possible that the Falcons could never reach the Super Bowl again and that would be the lasting impression. Quite honestly, I think it's going to poison the well of team chemistry. I think refusing to go after that ball is not going to sit well with many of those players as they rehash that season over and over in their minds realizing they ma never have that shot again and Cam sealed the win for Denver with that fumble and refusal to recover it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: See that's the thing though, the Falcons aren't that bad. We're not that talent depleted to where it's going to take 3-5 years of 1st and 2nd round picks to fix our team. Also we don't know when Ryan's last year is going to be unless you're Miss Cleo and can predict the future. 2 hours ago, TheFatboi said: Absolutely. We're really only a few pieces and mastering the new system away from being dominant. I truly hope your both right. It's be nice to see the right pieces come in here and turn us into a real contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Godzilla1985 said: I truly hope your both right. It's be nice to see the right pieces come in here and turn us into a real contender. I think they are right. We have a lot of young talent at many of the critical positions of WR, DE, LT, CB, RB.....these are huge strengths, and our biggest strength is Matt Ryan. We just need to fill some gaping holes in FA and the draft from last year in center, OG, TE and LB. we can do it, we have the resources. Keep in mind even without adding any more pieces, the pieces from last year should perform better having a full year and a second training camp in the new schemes. Guys like Beasley, Ricardo Allen, Clayborn, Grady Jarrett and Ishmael on defense, and the entire offense that really struggled until late in the season. the arrow is straight up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Godzilla1985 said: I truly hope your both right. It's be nice to see the right pieces come in here and turn us into a real contender. I don't think we're as far off as it seems. We're close but this next run we'll have a dominant offense and defense. we're right on the cusp of being a dangerous team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: I don't think we're as far off as it seems. We're close but this next run we'll have a dominant offense and defense. we're right on the cusp of being a dangerous team. Fats you get me hyped up when I read post like this cause I know you know your ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 38 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said: Fats you get me hyped up when I read post like this cause I know you know your ish. If we just stick to the script and keep getting the players that fit what Quinn wants to do, which is attack on both sides of the ball, we'll have the squad we've wanted for years. I really only think we're a great LB core away from having a dominant defense and only a lineman or two and owning the system away from having a dominant offense and from what I see theast 3 games they started really getting the offense. Looking forward to the draft and FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 18 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: If we just stick to the script and keep getting the players that fit what Quinn wants to do, which is attack on both sides of the ball, we'll have the squad we've wanted for years. I really only think we're a great LB core away from having a dominant defense and only a lineman or two and owning the system away from having a dominant offense and from what I see theast 3 games they started really getting the offense. Looking forward to the draft and FA. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 God this thread is pointless. No one cares what we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, ATL58FAN said: God this thread is pointless. No one cares what we think. Pot meet kettle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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