Cam Newton jumping away from fumble *Sticking up for Matt Ryan*

[cnst]

We can feel how we want to feel about it but I'll bet that these same opinions are being talked about among his teammates.  If Newton can't swallow his pride and apologize to them, I see him, at least partially, losing their respect.  That's something the QB can't have.  He's got some damage control to do in that locker room.    Hopefully he follows the path he was on and the chemistry goes south for the Panthers.

[NCFalconfan]

I think a good many of these Cam supporters on this board fail to grasp just how good Carolina's defense is. I see most if not every Carolina game yearly and it's astonishing how many times that defense sets the table for the offense. Carolina's defense had 31 turnovers this season. A good many of those either went for scores or set up the offense with VERY short fields.

I'll go ahead and say it, if Atlanta had a defense as good as Carolina's Matt Ryan would have a couple of SB rings on his hand at this point. Hilarious that people will make excuses for Newtons Super Bowl performance due to his lack of protection when they've seen our own QB operate our offense under the same duress nearly on a weekly basis since 2008. ****, how many times has Ryan beaten the Panthers while under the same sort of pass rush? The fact is there is a reason why people say just hit Newton a few times and half the battle is won. It's because its the truth. 

[gazoo]

2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

I doubt it. If you run into a situation like the Falcons did the year Vick was arrested then sure but if you get your self prepared in the same way a team like green Bay did then that won't be an issue. Within the next few years they're gonna have to bite the bullet on a first round pick or second round pick and grab the future qb. Thinking Matt is the only qb that can lead the team to success is just plain silly

Sure, just like Buffalo, Cleveland and a couple of dozen of other teams have done. There are several franchise QBs n every draft, so you just replace Ryan by using your first round draft pick  when he leaves, simple as that!

Matt Ryan is a much better QB than many of his fanbase realize. They put other QBs like Cam up on a pedestal when Cam isn't even as good as Ryan (cam just has a much better supporting cast) but they just can't seem to see it. 

[gazoo]

27 minutes ago, NCFalconfan said:

I think a good many of these Cam supporters on this board fail to grasp just how good Carolina's defense is. I see most if not every Carolina game yearly and it's astonishing how many times that defense sets the table for the offense. Carolina's defense had 31 turnovers this season. A good many of those either went for scores or set up the offense with VERY short fields.

I'll go ahead and say it, if Atlanta had a defense as good as Carolina's Matt Ryan would have a couple of SB rings on his hand at this point. Hilarious that people will make excuses for Newtons Super Bowl performance due to his lack of protection when they've seen our own QB operate our offense under the same duress nearly on a weekly basis since 2008. ****, how many times has Ryan beaten the Panthers while under the same sort of pass rush? The fact is there is a reason why people say just hit Newton a few times and half the battle is won. It's because its the truth. 

QFT

[Tribal Chief]

1 hour ago, Godzilla1985 said:

Considering he has several good years left that would be extremely silly to waste a 1st or 2nd on a QB for the next several years.  Farve had been in the league 14 years before Rodgers was drafted.  Apples to oranges comparison.

Considering I clearly stated "WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS", meaning between 3-5 years it would not be a waste. You do realize Matt turns 31 before the season starts don't you. 

 

What else you got? 

[Tribal Chief]

15 minutes ago, gazoo said:

Sure, just like Buffalo, Cleveland and a couple of dozen of other teams have done. There are several franchise QBs n every draft, so you just replace Ryan by using your first round draft pick  when he leaves, simple as that!

 

Uh yeah..... No. I'm not even gonna entertain that foolishness

[Godzilla1985]

4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Considering I clearly stated "WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS", meaning between 3-5 years it would not be a waste. You do realize Matt turns 31 before the season starts don't you. 

 

What else you got? 

We have holes at OL, DL, LB SS not only in terms of starters BUT in terms of quality depth.  So you have a very good productive QB with at least 5 good years left in him BUT HE NEEDS A STRONG SUPPORTING CAST JUST LIKE EVERY "ELITE" QB IN THE LEAGUE TO GET US TO THE SB.  So you propose in 3 years spending your most important pick on your most SOLID position on the team on a guy to groom for the future.  The Farve/Rodgers scenario has rarely happened & the risk far out weighs the reward.

We get it.  You hate Matt Ryan.  Thanks for playing.

[gazoo]

Here's an example of the stunning double standard Matt Ryan is treated with.

In 2012 Ryan took us 10 yards from the Super Bowl in a heroic game where the rest of his support crumbled around him, his defense folded, his running game got shut down and he stood tall in the pocket and got rid of the ball so fast the vicious pass rush couldn't get to him. Roddy slips WITH THE BALL IN THE AIR and Ryan gets blamed for the interception despite throwing 3 TD passes and on the last drive taking his one dimensional offense the full length of the field to a 4th down play where Roddy gets flagrantly held leading to a dropped pass. His entire supporting cast disintegrates in that game, Ryan plays all,world, and Ryan gets singled out as the reason we lost the game.

Cam Newton throws 0 TDs, ties a Super Bowl record with 10 overthrown passes to open receivers, turns the ball over 3 times, and his apologists insist the loss had nothing to do with Cam play. 

To accentuate the double standard even more, when some of us pointed out Brady has had 3 interceptions in playoff games and still won them, the Ryan critics proclaim "it not that he had 2 turnovers, it's where those turnovers occurred" yet we look at two of Cam's turnovers were right at the Panthers goalline where they both led immediately to TDs. 

Then they say good QBs step up in big games no matter what else is going on around them. Yet we show Brady throwing 3 interceptions and having a terrible game in the AFCCG just this year with several turnovers in other big games, we see Cam Newton have one of the worst performances of any QB in the history of the Super Bowl and these guys are stil, considered Gods and Ryan still gets blamed for the 2012 loss.......it's unbelievable.

Ryans 2012 QB play was nothing short of heroic given what he had supporting him. His defense collapsed in the 2012 playoffs yet he himself kept the team in the game by playing really good football. If we get Ryan anywhere near the same level of supporting cast around him as Cam Newton had this year, he will deliver us a Lombardi because he IS that good. As a QB, Ryan is  better than Cam in regular season and better than Cam in post season. 

[Godzilla1985]

21 minutes ago, gazoo said:

QFT

 

In before "But the Falcons had the 5th best scoring defense"  crowd.  That defense had 2 good players on it (Abe & Asante one of which was playing on a bad wheel).

[Godzilla1985]

1 minute ago, gazoo said:

Here's an example of the stunning double standard Matt Ryan is treated with.

In 2012 Ryan took us 10 yards from the Super Bowl in a heroic game where the rest of his support crumbled around him, his defense folded, his running game got shut down and he stood tall in the pocket and got rid of the ball so fast the vicious pass rush couldn't get to him. Roddy slips WITH THE BALL IN THE AIR and Ryan gets blamed for the interception despite throwing 3 TD passes and on the last drive taking his one dimensional offense the full length of the field to a 4th down play where Roddy gets flagrantly held leading to a dropped pass. His entire supporting cast disintegrates in that game, Ryan plays all,world, and Ryan gets singled out as the reason we lost the game.

Cam Newton throws 0 TDs, ties a Super Bowl record with 10 overthrown passes to open receivers, turns the ball over 3 times, and his apologists insist the loss had nothing to do with Cam play. 

To accentuate the double standard even more, when some of us pointed out Brady has had 3 interceptions in playoff games and still won them, the Ryan critics proclaim "it not that he had 2 turnovers, it's where those turnovers occurred" yet we look at two of Cam's turnovers were right at the Panthers goalline where they both led immediately to TDs. 

Then they say good QBs step up in big games no mate what else is going on around them. Yet we show Brady throwing 3 interceptions and having a terrible game in the AFCCG just this year with several turnovers in other big games, we see Cam Newton have one of the worst performances of any QB in the history of the Super Bowl and these guys are stil, considered Gods and Ryan still gets blamed for the 2012 loss.......it's unbelievable.

But...we need to draft a new qb now.  Look how well that worked out after Bartkowski retired with Archer...uh...no wait I mean Chris Miller....h...hold on I mean Jeff George....NO I GOT IT...Chris Chandler..hmm....AH Mike Vi...eh never mind.

[gazoo]

3 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

 

In before "But the Falcons had the 5th best scoring defense"  crowd.  That defense had 2 good players on it (Abe & Asante one of which was playing on a bad wheel).

They ignore our 2012 defense collapsed in the playoffs, it failed miserably. Cam had a dominating defense loaded with defensive stars this year, a defense Ryan has never come close to having.

[Tribal Chief]

14 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

We have holes at OL, DL, LB SS not only in terms of starters BUT in terms of quality depth.  So you have a very good productive QB with at least 5 good years left in him BUT HE NEEDS A STRONG SUPPORTING CAST JUST LIKE EVERY "ELITE" QB IN THE LEAGUE TO GET US TO THE SB.  So you propose in 3 years spending your most important pick on your most SOLID position on the team on a guy to groom for the future.  The Farve/Rodgers scenario has rarely happened & the risk far out weighs the reward.

We get it.  You hate Matt Ryan.  Thanks for playing.

LMAO what in the **** are you even attempting to talk about. I'm talking about when the guy turns 34 at the least. Has absolutely nothing to do with the present. I don't nor have I ever stated that I hated him at all. You just failed at trying to twist my words

[Tribal Chief]

11 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

But...we need to draft a new qb now.  Look how well that worked out after Bartkowski retired with Archer...uh...no wait I mean Chris Miller....h...hold on I mean Jeff George....NO I GOT IT...Chris Chandler..hmm....AH Mike Vi...eh never mind.

LMAO boy you misinterpreted the **** out of my post. 

[Godzilla1985]

21 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

LMAO boy you misinterpreted the **** out of my post. 

People have been on this "its time to draft Ryan's replacement" train since '12.  You want to spend a PREMIUM draft pick on his successor within 3 to 5 years.  I didn't misinterpret anything I just pointed out how ******* stupid it would be to do that.

[Tribal Chief]

Just now, Godzilla1985 said:

People have been on this "its time to draft Ryan's replacement" train since '12.  You want to spend a PREMIUM draft pick on his successor within 3 to 5 years.  I didn't misinterpret anything I just pointed out how ******* stupid it would be to do that.

Lmmfao. I don't care what people have said about him. I'm talking about using a pick when he is nearing the end of his career to let the next guy sit and learn and you are blabbering about holes the team has now as if that has anything to do with what I'm talking about. You don't have to man up and admit that you misunderstood, it's ok. It's funny though 

[gazoo]

2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

LMAO boy you misinterpreted the **** out of my post. 

We both misinterpreted your post, perhaps it wasn't clear. 

[Tribal Chief]

27 minutes ago, gazoo said:

We both misinterpreted your post, perhaps it wasn't clear. 

Read it again. It was clear as day. You two just wanted to read it the way you wanted to read it. If saying next few years then 3-5 years isn't clear then I don't know what to tell ya

[TheFatboi]

3 hours ago, gazoo said:

Here's an example of the stunning double standard Matt Ryan is treated with.

In 2012 Ryan took us 10 yards from the Super Bowl in a heroic game where the rest of his support crumbled around him, his defense folded, his running game got shut down and he stood tall in the pocket and got rid of the ball so fast the vicious pass rush couldn't get to him. Roddy slips WITH THE BALL IN THE AIR and Ryan gets blamed for the interception despite throwing 3 TD passes and on the last drive taking his one dimensional offense the full length of the field to a 4th down play where Roddy gets flagrantly held leading to a dropped pass. His entire supporting cast disintegrates in that game, Ryan plays all,world, and Ryan gets singled out as the reason we lost the game.

Cam Newton throws 0 TDs, ties a Super Bowl record with 10 overthrown passes to open receivers, turns the ball over 3 times, and his apologists insist the loss had nothing to do with Cam play. 

To accentuate the double standard even more, when some of us pointed out Brady has had 3 interceptions in playoff games and still won them, the Ryan critics proclaim "it not that he had 2 turnovers, it's where those turnovers occurred" yet we look at two of Cam's turnovers were right at the Panthers goalline where they both led immediately to TDs. 

Then they say good QBs step up in big games no matter what else is going on around them. Yet we show Brady throwing 3 interceptions and having a terrible game in the AFCCG just this year with several turnovers in other big games, we see Cam Newton have one of the worst performances of any QB in the history of the Super Bowl and these guys are stil, considered Gods and Ryan still gets blamed for the 2012 loss.......it's unbelievable.

Ryans 2012 QB play was nothing short of heroic given what he had supporting him. His defense collapsed in the 2012 playoffs yet he himself kept the team in the game by playing really good football. If we get Ryan anywhere near the same level of supporting cast around him as Cam Newton had this year, he will deliver us a Lombardi because he IS that good. As a QB, Ryan is  better than Cam in regular season and better than Cam in post season. 

Had 2 TO's in scoring position that lost the game. Not supporting cast crumbling. The panthers lost the SB became they lost the TO battle. It really doesn't get any simpler than that in big games. It comes down to protecting the ball. Now you can argue losing turner in the second half had an impact on the way the niners played us defensively because it did. But the fact remains we list that game because of 2 costly TO's in scoring position. Simple. All the crumble talk means jack. Kick 2 fg's and we win 30-28. That was one of the best offenses that year and NOBODY had figured out how to defend it really so the defense didn't collapse. The offense lost Turner and it changed the dynamics in how they played us because they no longer had to worry about the threat of Turner which meant play action was not gonna work anymore. If we don't turn the ball over the niners don't even take the lead and that's the cold hard truth of it. Win the turnover battle and more than not you will win. That was a game we couldn't afford to turn the ball over twice. I live the way you support our qb but in straight football talk he's credited with 2 TO's. Even if Roddy slipped. Regardless if it was turner that fumbled and Julio fumbled it's still 2 TO's in scoring position that lost the game for us. And we STILL had a chance to win. Kick 2 fg's and we don't have to even be in that position no matter the niner push. And who knows? Maybe we score 14 instead of 6 and win 38-28. See how those 2 TO's affected the game? I think the defense did as good as anybody that year against that explosive offense the niners had. They absolutely demolished the packers so NO Matt's help DID NOT crumble. TURNOVERS TURNOVERS TURNOVERS killed us. PERIOD bro!!! 

[Dirtybird3]

20 hours ago, gazoo said:

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Lol not tryna stand up for cam but people forget he's throwing to 4 5 and 6th wrs haha

 

And I don't blame him for not trying to jump on it. Especially after the explanation from cam and rivera. Trying to play the rebound, and as it happened I saw it going badly if he did try and dice, his own player was about to roll up on it.. just sayin. If matt did the same I'd feel the same way. But there are fans with double standards

[Falconsfan567]

4 hours ago, Godzilla1985 said:

We have holes at OL, DL, LB SS not only in terms of starters BUT in terms of quality depth.  So you have a very good productive QB with at least 5 good years left in him BUT HE NEEDS A STRONG SUPPORTING CAST JUST LIKE EVERY "ELITE" QB IN THE LEAGUE TO GET US TO THE SB.  So you propose in 3 years spending your most important pick on your most SOLID position on the team on a guy to groom for the future.  The Farve/Rodgers scenario has rarely happened & the risk far out weighs the reward.

We get it.  You hate Matt Ryan.  Thanks for playing.

WOW!! Way to completely jump over the moon and totally miss his point. How did the 49ers win 10 plus games for 16 straight years? It's because they had Steve Young waiting in the wings for when they decided Joe Montana was done. How did the Packers never miss a beat? It's because they had Aaron Rodgers waiting in the wings for when they didn't Brett Favre was done. Say we draft a guy in 3 years with a top pick, we're talking about the 2019 draft when Matt Ryan will be entering his age 34 season. Not everyone is Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and still great into their late 30s. Most QBs and players in general are done around age 35 or 36. So if we draft a guy in 2019 when Matt is entering his age 34 season and say he retires after his age 36 season, then the guy we draft will have had 2 years to learn behind Ryan. He takes over and the Falcons never miss a beat. That's the perfect scenario. Too bad you had to go and get emotional about it instead of realizing that he has a legit point.

[gazoo]

1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said:

Read it again. It was clear as day. You two just wanted to read it the way you wanted to read it. If saying next few years then 3-5 years isn't clear then I don't know what to tell ya

If it as clear as day the first two people reading it wouldn't have misinterpreted the point he was trying to communicate.

[Falconsfan567]

7 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

I doubt it. If you run into a situation like the Falcons did the year Vick was arrested then sure but if you get your self prepared in the same way a team like green Bay did then that won't be an issue. Within the next few years they're gonna have to bite the bullet on a first round pick or second round pick and grab the future qb. Thinking Matt is the only qb that can lead the team to success is just plain silly

How is that not clear as day that he is talking about some time within the next few years?

[Tribal Chief]

4 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

How is that not clear as day that he is talking about some time within the next few years?

Exactly. Lmao. 

[Tribal Chief]

8 minutes ago, gazoo said:

If it as clear as day the first two people reading it wouldn't have misinterpreted the point he was trying to communicate.

Lmmfao wow. This is just as bad as it gets

[gazoo]

6 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

How is that not clear as day that he is talking about some time within the next few years?

Within the first few years starts this draft. The next sentence says "thinking Matt Ryan is the only QB to lead us to success is silly"

in other words, he's suggesting effective right now it's silly to think Matt Ryan is he only QB to leaded us to success.

there is also an inference that it is going to be easy to replace Ryan whenever that says comes and that is also false. Teams go year drafting QBs trying to find one as good as Ryan.