hjerry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 13 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I think Weems has got to go. He offers zero value as a returner. He's decent on coverage. We can find both of those things (in one guy) for minimal investment, IMO. I see you as wrong on both counts. He's an above average returner, and one of the better ST players in the league. He's also one of the bigger leaders in that locker room. He's barely making anything. You'd lose more by releasing him, than gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Lornoth said: He'll probably be our #3 CB this year. I wonder if Teco could be a return guy. Teco doing anything that involves holding a ball makes me nervous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 55 minutes ago, blackredfellow said: Tevin Coleman is #26 LOL. Screw friggin' Google Images! What's funny is Coleman is probably my favorite player now and I didn't even notice that I was dissing him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 56 minutes ago, hjerry said: I see you as wrong on both counts. He's an above average returner, and one of the better ST players in the league. He's also one of the bigger leaders in that locker room. He's barely making anything. You'd lose more by releasing him, than gain. Agreed. Weems provides a lot for what he costs. He's a decent gunner (no Antone Smith but...), he is a decent returner. Remember the game we won against TB a few years ago all because of one of his ridiculous KR TDs? I know hes lost that step but he's still smart and gets what we need in return yardage. Yea, hes not a home run threat, but hes not Adam Jennings either. On top of that, any time we've counted on him on offense when a few WRs go down, he's been solid. He was third down conversion machine for a few game stretch a few years ago. Edited February 9, 2016 by blackredfellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 hour ago, hjerry said: Weems doesn't need replacing, and he barely costs anything. He was ST captain for a reason. cutting Weems brings around $1MM in extra cap space. Now if the team doesn't intend to use that space, than I agree why cut him. That said, if he can be replaced effectively by a guy like Hardy or N. Williams, and the team needs the space to make other improvements I would be all for letting him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, 1989Fan said: cutting Weems brings around $1MM in extra cap space. Now if the team doesn't intend to use that space, than I agree why cut him. That said, if he can be replaced effectively by a guy like Hardy or N. Williams, and the team needs the space to make other improvements I would be all for letting him go. Weems is more than just a returner. He's the leader of that ST unit, and one of our better gunners to boot. 1mil is nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Weems was a top 10 return guy before Hester came back and well sucked. With the new kicking rules you need someone who can bring it out sometimes and looks cool watching the ball sail over their heads most of the time. Since we play in a dome with little wind issues punters hang their kicks all the time making returns less likely. All we need is a guy who returns occasionally but most importantly doesn't fumble. Weems isn't broke. No need to fix him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I won't quote everybody, but yeah my suggestion with Teco was under the restriction that he cleans up the fumbles. If he actually can't stop fumbling, we should just cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stizz Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 18 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: LOL. 1) King wasnt an undrafted rookie, he was a 7th round rookie. And he played ~15 snaps all season. Collins played 300. There was one game that King got defensive snaps in that Collins didnt....Week 17 when he played 4 defensive snaps. That's hardly "sending a message." 2) Maybe they liked how the secondary was playing? Maybe they liked what they saw in practice from King and decided to give him some reps? Maybe they felt that Jalen's confidence was sagging or that he would be better served by continuing to work in practice? 3) Your "perform now!" assertion is nonsense. As is your "if you're going to be drafted in Rounds 1-3, youve gotta execute on the field in year 1!!!" There are all sorts of players drafted in the first 3 rounds that see minimal time or struggle or dont play at all. Each player is different. 4) Collins wasn't "atrocious" all year at all. He was fine early before struggling later. Which is when he was sat. Does that mean they were saying "youre going to cut"? Probably not. Instead, they probably felt that he would benefit from stepping off of the field and getting right. That doesnt guarantee he's going to be Richard Sherman next year but it doesnt suggest he's on the roster bubble. I mean FFS, why would anyone expect a 2nd round pick to be given 300 snaps before being shown the door? Seriously? Collins wasn't atrocious because he wasn't being thrown at early. Lack of physicality and awareness will be his downfall. Dude will be clinging to a roster spot like D. Franks over the next 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 12 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I think Weems has got to go. He offers zero value as a returner. He's decent on coverage. We can find both of those things (in one guy) for minimal investment, IMO. 1st you claim Jallen Collens was not atrocious, then you claim Weems is not a valuable special teams player who is easy to replace in one guy. You don't have a clue what your watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy5prings Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I hope Jalen Collins can improve and live up to the high draft pick. That said, every time I see or hear about him, I think of Randy Gregory and what might have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCity Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The guy I'd like to return punts & possibly kick offs is still Robert Alford. We saw him muff a punt his rookie season (iirc) and that was all she wrote. Coming out of 'SEL' he showed he did have playmaking abilities in the return game. If Collins does show his tail and prove some worth to being outside and we roll with him as our #2 I wouldn't mind seeing what type of contribution Alford could bring to the return game. I believe it would also give us a better valuation on him to the overall roster moving forth in the Quinn era since both he and Tru will be coming up on deals next year. It's just a thought though. I'm practically opened to anyone not named Hester returning the ball for us simply because I'd rather not spend that money on a guy that is only going to have a chance to impact the game in one aspect of it yet, just seems like a waste of cap and roster space to me personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 hours ago, insight said: 1st you claim Jallen Collens was not atrocious, then you claim Weems is not a valuable special teams player who is easy to replace in one guy. You don't have a clue what your watching. Actually, I didnt say he's not valuable, I said he's not valuable as a returner. Which is true. As for him being replaceable, absolutely. Of course he is. Which is why he's been replaced by multiple teams on multiple occasions. As for my understanding of what I'm watching....uhhh yeah, given your posting history, I consider that high praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 hours ago, stizz said: Collins wasn't atrocious because he wasn't being thrown at early. Lack of physicality and awareness will be his downfall. Dude will be clinging to a roster spot like D. Franks over the next 2 years. I don't understand when people criticize cornerbacks for not being thrown at.....thats sort of the point. Again, he's a young player. A developing player. "Lack of physicality and awareness" aren't immutable traits. Those things come with the development of technique and experience on the field at the NFL level. Collins had a few weeks where he was actually pretty good on a large number of snaps. Unfortunately, that level of play didnt continue through the end of the season. I think its a mistake to assume that he'll never play well or never develop the necessary skills to be a good CB in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific_Falcon Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: As for my understanding of what I'm watching....uhhh yeah, given your posting history, I consider that high praise. Let's keep the punches above the belt today Larry, dayum haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: Actually, I didnt say he's not valuable, I said he's not valuable as a returner. Which is true. As for him being replaceable, absolutely. Of course he is. Which is why he's been replaced by multiple teams on multiple occasions. As for my understanding of what I'm watching....uhhh yeah, given your posting history, I consider that high praise. Weems has played for 2 teams total. How much he was "replaced" is up for debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stizz Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I don't understand when people criticize cornerbacks for not being thrown at.....thats sort of the point. Again, he's a young player. A developing player. "Lack of physicality and awareness" aren't immutable traits. Those things come with the development of technique and experience on the field at the NFL level. Collins had a few weeks where he was actually pretty good on a large number of snaps. Unfortunately, that level of play didnt continue through the end of the season. I think its a mistake to assume that he'll never play well or never develop the necessary skills to be a good CB in the league. It is what it is. I'd be willing to make a bet his career goes exactly in-line to that of D Franks. I had my doubts about him as soon as his stiff hips got juked in training camp by E. Weems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdman242424 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Justin Hardy will do that. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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