Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want him to undertake this important task, but I'm just asking to see if anyone knows if he can... did he ever at LSU? Doubtful Hester and/or Weems are gonna be sticking around, maybe Weems, but still... Is there a way that Collins can actually do anything for this team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 He'll probably be our #3 CB this year. I wonder if Teco could be a return guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lornoth said: He'll probably be our #3 CB this year. I wonder if Teco could be a return guy. Now that you mention it, Tevin sounds like a much better option to do that, I could see him having some success there for sure. He is unreal if he has open space and can work on ball-handling skills in the offseason. You really think Collins has a chance to be #3 DB when the coaches benched him for the entire end of the year and he didn't see any action, even on Special Teams? I think that was pretty clear message that the coaches were sending him that if he doesn't show MASSIVE improvement over the offseason into training camp, he might not make the roster next year. Edited February 9, 2016 by Radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanish_falcon Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lornoth said: He'll probably be our #3 CB this year. I wonder if Teco could be a return guy. Fumbles on kickoffs? No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Just now, Radiohead said: Now that you mention is, Tevin sounds like a much better option to do that, I could see him having some success there for sure. He is unreal if he has open space and can work on ball-handling skills offseason. You really think Collins has a chance to be #3 DB when the coaches benched him for the entire end of the year and he didn't see any action, even on Special Teams? I think that was pretty clear message that the coaches were sending him that if he doesn't so MASSIVE improvement over the offseason into training camp, he might not make the roster next year. I think this is absolutely ridiculous. I really don't get why people struggle with understanding the Jalen Collins situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hardy returned kicks at ECU, so I would think he would be the logical "next man up" if Hester and Weems are released in the off season, which they likely will be. And I don't think they will be doing anything but grooming Collins more. Quinn was super high on him and said so much with the pick where it was, no way he gives up on him after 1 year and 1 off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Radiohead said: Now that you mention it, Tevin sounds like a much better option to do that, I could see him having some success there for sure. He is unreal if he has open space and can work on ball-handling skills offseason. You really think Collins has a chance to be #3 DB when the coaches benched him for the entire end of the year and he didn't see any action, even on Special Teams? I think that was pretty clear message that the coaches were sending him that if he doesn't so MASSIVE improvement over the offseason into training camp, he might not make the roster next year. I wouldn't be surprised. He was for a while last year, and we don't have anyone better right now. He was always a project, I doubt they give up on him quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: I think this is absolutely ridiculous. I really don't get why people struggle with understanding the Jalen Collins situation. Please explain the Collins situation so I may better understand everything that the coaches are doing with him... Since you must have the inside track on their plan... Edited February 9, 2016 by Radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, spanish_falcon said: Fumbles on kickoffs? No thanks Well said, to be fair, I said I didn't want him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yes let's cut a rookie after one year because no one has ever improved past their rookie season. #genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: Yes let's cut a rookie after one year because no one has ever improved past their rookie season. #genius Where did I say to cut him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Jalen Collins is a developmental CB, from what I know he didn't return kicks at LSU. But, he's not getting cut this year, the coaching staff is going to develop him the way they want. Collins shows a willingness to learn and he'll only get better. Don't give up on draft picks so quick, one year doesn't make or break a players career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 27 minutes ago, Radiohead said: Please explain the Collins situation so I may better understand everything that the coaches are doing with him... Since you must have the inside track on their plan... It was well known prior to the draft that Collins was a "raw" player with immense upside. In fact, it was the very foundation of pretty much every draft profile you can find. He's a long-term asset, not a short-term asset. Playing a position that almost always gives rookies fits. It is zero surprise that such a prospect would struggle a bit and be given time to develop and mature. The coaches don't owe you a duty to make sure you're on the same page regarding the plan for Jalen Collins. They don't need to run it by you or check if its okay with you or whatever. The coaches are going to do what the coaches feel is best for Jalen's development and the team in general. Beyond that, I'm not really sure what you're looking for. Nor did I ever say I know their exact plan....because, again, they don't owe us a duty. Now, perhaps you'd like to substantiate your claim that he's on the roster bubble? Other than "they sat him down!" of course. Which could be for any number of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: It was well known prior to the draft that Collins was a "raw" player with immense upside. In fact, it was the very foundation of pretty much every draft profile you can find. He's a long-term asset, not a short-term asset. Playing a position that almost always gives rookies fits. It is zero surprise that such a prospect would struggle a bit and be given time to develop and mature. The coaches don't owe you a duty to make sure you're on the same page regarding the plan for Jalen Collins. They don't need to run it by you or check if its okay with you or whatever. The coaches are going to do what the coaches feel is best for Jalen's development and the team in general. Beyond that, I'm not really sure what you're looking for. Nor did I ever say I know their exact plan....because, again, they don't owe us a duty. Now, perhaps you'd like to substantiate your claim that he's on the roster bubble? Other than "they sat him down!" of course. Which could be for any number of reasons. Benching (with no injury) him for King, who looked way better than Collins as an UDFA Rookie, sent a pretty clear message they were not happy with him. If Collins so desperately needs time to develop, why would the coaches bench him essentially for the entirety of the last few games of the season? Wouldn't they want him to have as much time on the field as possible? But, I'm sure your right, their plan all along must be to take him out and deny him much needed in-game time... Furthermore, whether you like it or not, this a "Perform Now" League and that will only get worse. If you are drafted in the top 1-3 Rounds, you need to execute on the field in some fashion in Year One, even if just glimpses of talent here and there... If you don't, which Collins was atrocious ALL year. Yeah, you're **** right you're on the roster bubble going into next season unless you show big time improvement in the Offseason and into TC. Edited February 9, 2016 by Radiohead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 37 minutes ago, Radiohead said: Benching (with no injury) him for King, who looked way better than Collins as an UDFA Rookie, sent a pretty clear message they were not happy with him. If Collins so desperately needs time to develop, why would the coaches bench him essentially for the entirety of the last few games of the season? Wouldn't they want him to have as much time on the field as possible? But, I'm sure your right, their plan all along must be to take him out and deny him much needed in-game time... Furthermore, whether you like it or not, this a "Perform Now" League and that will only get worse. If you are drafted in the top 1-3 Rounds, you need to execute on the field in some fashion in Year One, even if just glimpses of talent here and there... If you don't, which Collins was atrocious ALL year. Yeah, you're **** right you're on the roster bubble going into next season unless you show big time improvement in the Offseason and into TC. LOL. 1) King wasnt an undrafted rookie, he was a 7th round rookie. And he played ~15 snaps all season. Collins played 300. There was one game that King got defensive snaps in that Collins didnt....Week 17 when he played 4 defensive snaps. That's hardly "sending a message." 2) Maybe they liked how the secondary was playing? Maybe they liked what they saw in practice from King and decided to give him some reps? Maybe they felt that Jalen's confidence was sagging or that he would be better served by continuing to work in practice? 3) Your "perform now!" assertion is nonsense. As is your "if you're going to be drafted in Rounds 1-3, youve gotta execute on the field in year 1!!!" There are all sorts of players drafted in the first 3 rounds that see minimal time or struggle or dont play at all. Each player is different. 4) Collins wasn't "atrocious" all year at all. He was fine early before struggling later. Which is when he was sat. Does that mean they were saying "youre going to cut"? Probably not. Instead, they probably felt that he would benefit from stepping off of the field and getting right. That doesnt guarantee he's going to be Richard Sherman next year but it doesnt suggest he's on the roster bubble. I mean FFS, why would anyone expect a 2nd round pick to be given 300 snaps before being shown the door? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Radiohead said: Where did I say to cut him? Oh don't bother... This guy likes to read what he wants to read no matter what you say, he jumps to conclusions that are in his own mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Radiohead said: Now that you mention it, Tevin sounds like a much better option to do that, I could see him having some success there for sure. He is unreal if he has open space and can work on ball-handling skills in the offseason. You really think Collins has a chance to be #3 DB when the coaches benched him for the entire end of the year and he didn't see any action, even on Special Teams? I think that was pretty clear message that the coaches were sending him that if he doesn't show MASSIVE improvement over the offseason into training camp, he might not make the roster next year. the coaches benched him for the rest of the year? didn't he play against carolina and new orleans? Edited February 9, 2016 by papachaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Radiohead said: Where did I say to cut him? " I think that was pretty clear message that the coaches were sending him that if he doesn't show MASSIVE improvement over the offseason into training camp, he might not make the roster next year" Just saying, you don't make the roster because you get cut and you said "he might not make the roster next year" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 We don't need some special use fr Collins. He is exactly what he was always intended to be, a CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 hours ago, spanish_falcon said: Fumbles on kickoffs? No thanks Yeah, that was my exact thought. I don't want him anywhere near kickoffs or punts until he learns to hold onto that ball better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 3 hours ago, Lornoth said: He'll probably be our #3 CB this year. I wonder if Teco could be a return guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I think Hardy can/should replace Weems on the roster for ST/KR/WR duties, opening up $900M in cap space. Collins may just make a huge jump this offseason, as long as he is committed. He could battle for the #2 CB spot, due to his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 47 minutes ago, JayOzOne said: Tevin Coleman is #26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, 1989Fan said: I think Hardy can/should replace Weems on the roster for ST/KR/WR duties, opening up $900M in cap space. Collins may just make a huge jump this offseason, as long as he is committed. He could battle for the #2 CB spot, due to his size. Weems doesn't need replacing, and he barely costs anything. He was ST captain for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, hjerry said: Weems doesn't need replacing, and he barely costs anything. He was ST captain for a reason. I think Weems has got to go. He offers zero value as a returner. He's decent on coverage. We can find both of those things (in one guy) for minimal investment, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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