Spts1 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Take note. Elway did this by his lonesome. Falcons got FIVE general managers now. Count them. FIVE. They had Dimitroff, Pioli, and i forgot his name, but a consultant, all in Flowery Branch. Now they got FIVE people who have been general managers making decisions. Not gonna be a good look if they cant turn that ship around....... I had my Cam and Carolina laugh, now, its back to the task at hand. Falcons better get a monster defense if they wanna sniff a championship, and having FIVE general managers on board, i dont like that. Edited February 8, 2016 by slickgadawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 That offseason I wanted Ware, Talib, and Michael Bennett... Elway got two of the three. Draft picks are great but I want to spend money in free agency as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Talib is an idiot. Never want him near my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Two years ago everyone was like build through the draft like Seattle. Before that it was trade all your high picks and stockpile picks and be like the Pats. Now its copy Elway and sign everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Elway did what 31 other GM'S could not do this year. BTW the falcons have ONE GM... TD. We employee other former GM's in various roles but there is one guy at the top... We are not different than alot of teams who have alot of people who held former higher positions with other clubs.. For example Wade Phllips who is the Broncos DC is a former HC. Greg Knapp is the Broncos QB coach and is a former Offensive coordinator. Tom Heckert was also a former GM and he works for the Broncos as director of Pro Personnel. There are other examples but basically STFU because you sound stupid when you speak about things that you do not understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Elway doesn't seem to get as much props as other GM's but he really has built a great roster in Denver. You always hear how team's shouldn't spend a lot on defense in FA but it paid off tremendously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Give TD another 8 yrs to find a pass rush I heard he's still looking lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, slickgadawg said: Take note. Elway did this by his lonesome. Falcons got FIVE general managers now. Count them. FIVE. They had Dimitroff, Pioli, and i forgot his name, but a consultant, all in Flowery Branch. Now they got FIVE people who have been general managers making decisions. Not gonna be a good look if they cant turn that ship around....... I had my Cam and Carolina laugh, now, its back to the task at hand. Falcons better get a monster defense if they wanna sniff a championship, and having FIVE general managers on board, i dont like that. actually he didnt .. If you heard him speak he named like 5 personnel guys that he said came up big with scouting draft prospects and also potential FA they targeted (talib and ware) I dont know why ppl think its just one brilliant mind guy that does it all.. One guy gets the credit but its a crew of guys thats involved with getting the info and there opinions to help draft guys or sign guys in FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, atljbo said: actually he didnt .. If you heard him speak he named like 5 personnel guys that he said came up big with scouting draft prospects and also potential FA they targeted (talib and ware) I dont know why ppl think its just one brilliant mind guy that does it all.. One guy gets the credit but its a crew of guys thats involved with getting the info and there opinions to help draft guys or sign guys in FA Because then they couldn't place all the blame on Thomas Dimitroff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Because then they couldn't place all the blame on Thomas Dimitroff. oh ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I thought he was team president and not GM. Anyway where was all this praise when he built the best offense ever then got waxed by the seahawks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 8 hours ago, Duff_Man said: Talib is an idiot. Never want him near my team. You appear dumb making statements like that. They won a championship in large part due to him. You must be a proponent of the Falcon filter, which has gotten us nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Smh...We only have one GM. We hired FORMER GMs to the personnel, but none of them hold the position of GM. Not sure why people think we have 5. It's asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 7 hours ago, atljbo said: I dont know why ppl think its just one brilliant mind guy that does it all.. One guy gets the credit but its a crew of guys thats involved with getting the info and there opinions to help draft guys or sign guys in FA Maybe it's because top organizations don't publicize the hiring of the head guy's subordinates. I tell you this Falcon "organization" (oxymoron) is quite dysfunctional. Everyone likes to point to AB as a brilliant business mind, but he has proven over and over that those skills do not translate to the business of football from a standpoint of building the on-field product. He is too hands-on and it is killing us. He is what I call a "Laid back Ted Turner" before Ted learned to release his grip from decisions about the on-field product. Arty' declaration of "we need to get more explosive" has set the organization back several years (and counting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Our FO is structures likely others in the NFL. We just happen to have experienced former GMs holding positions, down to national scout level - people who became GMs by doing very well at the jobs that we now have them in. We could just hire a bunch of inexperienced guys to step up in to those roles instead, but then AFMB would complaint about that. In fact, when we lost a bunch of FO guys to other teams a few years ago, weren't people complaining about TD being egotistical and unwilling to bring in experienced people who might disagree with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If you believeeJohn Elway put that team together by himself then you are a fool. No one person fails or succeeds on his own in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Call him an idiot all you like, but the kid can play. He had a couple of penalties that were rightfully called, but the others were to keep the game close. The taunting was total bull,, and it slowed Denver from putting the game away early. The real difference in the job that Elway did is allowing Wade Phillips to do what he does. He has been tossed all around the league, while always making defenses better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) What Elway did was set a clear vision for what the team was striving for. They talked about building a Superbowl caliber team and then followed it up by making the necessary moves to make it a reality. Denver continued to upgrade their roster after they loss the super bowl, the Falcons let go of their best players after 2012 without bring in replacements. , TD and Quinn claimed they nailed free agency, it's clear who really did nail it. Edited February 8, 2016 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not understanding the "He didn't do it by himself" talk. GM's usually get the credit when the team is doing well and get bashed when the team is doing bad. They're figure heads of the front office so they're going to get praised or crucified accordingly. It's completely normal and it happens in every sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I don't agree that he did it by himself, but i do agree that he did a great job. Especially in free agency. Dude actually went out and spent money on several dudes and didn't play it safe and cheap like we usually do. And even while having a stacked defense on paper, he still went after defensive guys early in the draft. Thats the way every single franchise should be. You should be going D early every single year in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, insight said: What Elway did was set a clear vision for what the team was striving for. They talked about building a Superbowl caliber team and then followed it up by making the necessary moves to make it a reality. Denver continued to upgrade their roster after they loss the super bowl, the Falcons let go of their best players after 2012 without bring in replacements. , TD and Quinn claimed they nailed free agency, it's clear who really did nail it. They gambled on Manning, and were willing to invest very heavily in FA knowing that they had a 2-3 year window to win before their HoF QB retired. The price for that gamble will come in the following years when Manning has gone and the big number numbers start to catch up with them - but I'm sure the organisation will readily accept that. In 2011, we were a relatively young team, but we opted to go all in to win whilst we still had Turner, Abe and Gonzalez, rather than investing to find long term replacements for them. The only difference is, that our gamble came up 10 yards short in the NFCCG. the funny thing is, with Ryan reaching his 30's, in the next few years we find ourselves in the position where we may want to think about restructuring contract and investing heavily in Free Agency for a 3-4 year run to try to win whilst we still have Ryan. If we do so, there will ultimately be a high price to pay, as we've seen with the Saints who stressed their cap to the breaking point for a final run with Brees, before the deferred money eventually caught up with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 8 hours ago, atljbo said: actually he didnt .. If you heard him speak he named like 5 personnel guys that he said came up big with scouting draft prospects and also potential FA they targeted (talib and ware) I dont know why ppl think its just one brilliant mind guy that does it all.. One guy gets the credit but its a crew of guys thats involved with getting the info and there opinions to help draft guys or sign guys in FA I credit Elway for desperately trying to improve the team when they had the hot hand after the Super Bowl loss. They got the best pass rusher and upgraded the defense. What did the Falvons do when they had the 'hot hand' after 2012? Cut the best pass rusher and destroy the offensive line. Elway made improving the pass rush a priority. The Falcons did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Sun Tzu 7 said: I credit Elway for desperately trying to improve the team when they had the hot hand after the Super Bowl loss. They got the best pass rusher and upgraded the defense. What did the Falvons do when they had the 'hot hand' after 2012? Cut the best pass rusher and destroy the offensive line. Elway made improving the pass rush a priority. The Falcons did not. After 2012 we didn't exactly have the resources to do so, and we had a ton of other needs. We could have prioritised the pass rush over other areas, but it would have come at the expense of other areas. We'd be no better off. We'd just have weaknesses in other areas like CB and LT instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, ukfalc said: After 2012 we didn't exactly have the resources to do so, and we had a ton of other needs. We could have prioritised the pass rush over other areas, but it would have come at the expense of other areas. We'd be no better off. We'd just have weaknesses in other areas like CB and LT instead. You miss the point. I'm not talking about the draft, (and LT was addressed in 2014), I'm talking about FA. That offseason they basically forced Todd McClure to retire and just gave the job to Konz. There was also the 'competition' at RT between Holmes and the guy that never made it onto the field before then... Who was walking away with it before getting injured. As I mentioned earlier they cut the best pass rusher and replaced him with a rapidly declining Osi instead of pairing him with Abe. Don't even get me started on not trying to go after Avril and Bennett.... Decision made that offseason have always been the strongest ammo for firing TD for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 29 minutes ago, ukfalc said: They gambled on Manning, and were willing to invest very heavily in FA knowing that they had a 2-3 year window to win before their HoF QB retired. The price for that gamble will come in the following years when Manning has gone and the big number numbers start to catch up with them - but I'm sure the organisation will readily accept that. In 2011, we were a relatively young team, but we opted to go all in to win whilst we still had Turner, Abe and Gonzalez, rather than investing to find long term replacements for them. The only difference is, that our gamble came up 10 yards short in the NFCCG. the funny thing is, with Ryan reaching his 30's, in the next few years we find ourselves in the position where we may want to think about restructuring contract and investing heavily in Free Agency for a 3-4 year run to try to win whilst we still have Ryan. If we do so, there will ultimately be a high price to pay, as we've seen with the Saints who stressed their cap to the breaking point for a final run with Brees, before the deferred money eventually caught up with them Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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