WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Jayron Kearse. Let me preface this by saying I would love a Jeremy Cash or Darian Thompson type, but I think for this year we have more pressing needs and will spend our 2nd rounder elsewhere. Now with that said, Jayron Kearse is a playmaker. He has good insticts, great speed, and can lay the wood when necessary. He needs to work on his angles. He has the same size as Kam Chancellor at 6'4" 220. I think we could find a diamond in the rough with Kearse. Hes currently projected around the 4th round. I think Quinn and Smith could do a lot with this guy. He has sideline to sideline speed and good insticts for coverage, while also having great size for tackling. Im not about to say a 4th round pick will be the next Chancellor, but he has the size and skillset to be able to have an impact in every facet of the game like Chancellor does. He also has a knack for the ball with 11 total turnovers while at Clemson(7Ints, 2FF, 2FR) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060411/jayron-kearse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quest Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Not a strong safety.... Doesn't have that toughness about him. Coming from a Clemson fan who watched every single game this season he'd be like having a taller/quicker Dwight Lowery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, Quest said: Not a strong safety.... Doesn't have that toughness about him. Coming from a Clemson fan who watched every single game this season he'd be like having a taller/quicker Dwight Lowery In the 4th round, I wouldnt complain about that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, .WORzone said: In the 4th round, I wouldnt complain about that lol I mean no doubt if he is avaliable in the 4th I'd be perfectly fine with him, but I've seen some people have him in the 2nd and sometimes even late 1st being picked.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 There's definitely holes in his game, but what 4th rounder doesn't have holes? If i ride with this kid it's for his ceiling. I'm very uncertain about him for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I hear some of you say he's not a SS. What you are essentially saying is he is not a smaller LB, or Kam. His not being an enforcer does not mean he cannot play SS on this team and be a great performer. The guy is a playmaker and would only make our defense better...AT the Strong Safety position. Just need to find someone else to be the enforcer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Just now, Knight of God said: I hear some of you say he's not a SS. What you are essentially saying is he is not a smaller LB, or Kam. His not being an enforcer does not mean he cannot play SS on this team and be a great performer. The guy is a playmaker and would only make our defense better...AT the Strong Safety position. Just need to find someone else to be the enforcer. Was about to say this as well. I should have added this to the OP. Hes not the enforcer Kam is. I was only making that comparison for the playmaking aspect of their games. If we can get some OLBs who can lay the wood, Id be fine with letting Kearse be more of a rangy SS. From what I have seen he is very good Man on Man with TEs as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, Atlfanstckndenver said: There's definitely holes in his game, but what 4th rounder doesn't have holes? If i ride with this kid it's for his ceiling. I'm very uncertain about him for some reason. His holes kind of remind me of Willy Mo. I feel uncertain about that as well. He would be a project for sure. Thats what I meant by "of the future". I probably should have just said Project in the title. He can take poor angles and has trouble wrapping up every time, but also in the tape Ive seen it looks like a bad angle but also just looks like hes filling a gap. Hard to tell without knowing his assignments. But I think Quinn could help with that quite a good bit. Ill take a rookie with WARs issues, over WAR who is a seasoned vet and STILL cant figure it out. I think if we get Kearse we will still need a veteran stop gap for a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Knight of God said: I hear some of you say he's not a SS. What you are essentially saying is he is not a smaller LB, or Kam. His not being an enforcer does not mean he cannot play SS on this team and be a great performer. The guy is a playmaker and would only make our defense better...AT the Strong Safety position. Just need to find someone else to be the enforcer. KOG I respect the he// outta you but this kid isn't SS material. He just doesn't have it about him. Playmaker? Yes. Can he tackle in space? Yes. But is he what we need at SS in this scheme? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, .WORzone said: Was about to say this as well. I should have added this to the OP. Hes not the enforcer Kam is. I was only making that comparison for the playmaking aspect of their games. If we can get some OLBs who can lay the wood, Id be fine with letting Kearse be more of a rangy SS. From what I have seen he is very good Man on Man with TEs as well. Very good at covering TEs much like Lowery.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I don't think he's a good fit for our system. Our system requires the SS to be a SS/LB hybrid playing at the line a lot. Kearse can cover but, isn't very good mixing it up with the big bodies at the line. He will probably be solid at the next level but, not for us. If you're waiting until the 4th for our SS I actually like the kid from Notre Dame better. Elijah Shumat, does well with the big bodies and he's been relied on the play slot for ND so you know his coverage is good. He's not a big hit guy like Karl Joseph but, instead plays solid and keeps the play in front of him to stop it with solid tackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, The O.D.B said: I don't think he's a good fit for our system. Our system requires the SS to be a SS/LB hybrid playing at the line a lot. Kearse can cover but, isn't very good mixing it up with the big bodies at the line. He will probably be solid at the next level but, not for us. If you're waiting until the 4th for our SS I actually like the kid from Notre Dame better. Elijah Shumat, does well with the big bodies and he's been relied on the play slot for ND so you know his coverage is good. He's not a big hit guy like Karl Joseph but, instead plays solid and keeps the play in front of him to stop it with solid tackling. Are there very many SS's in the league that can mix it up at the line when an OT or OG gets their hands on them? On a slow defense, I dont think Kearse would be effective. But on a team with overall speed like Clemson he can be very effective. We would need to improve our speed. I say that because he may get stacked at the line, but if he frees up an OLB to make the tackle, its all fine and dandy. He has the size to not totally get lambasted at the line like a lot of guys. But again, wed need an OLB with range to come up and make the play. Ill have to take a look at Elijah. I didnt watch a single ND game this year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 To me he is like a George Iloka clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Especially in the role he would fill in coverage in our cover three scheme, he actually would be pretty well suited here. Buzzing, covering flats, etc that's one thing he could definitely do imo. The more I try to imagine what he'd be doing here, the more I like him. His speed more than anything could make him valuable here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Public opinion seems to be souring on Kearse as more people watch tape on him. A lot of it, as you said, DOES relate to taking poor angles, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, .WORzone said: Are there very many SS's in the league that can mix it up at the line when an OT or OG gets their hands on them? On a slow defense, I dont think Kearse would be effective. But on a team with overall speed like Clemson he can be very effective. We would need to improve our speed. I say that because he may get stacked at the line, but if he frees up an OLB to make the tackle, its all fine and dandy. He has the size to not totally get lambasted at the line like a lot of guys. But again, wed need an OLB with range to come up and make the play. Ill have to take a look at Elijah. I didnt watch a single ND game this year lol. Playing with the big bodies: I'd say it's more about attitude that size. Some attack the gaps and others play contain. A SS playing contain usually gets picked up by a blocker and then the size comes into play and take the SS out of the play. A SS attacking the Gaps can often slip past the blockers to disrupt the play in the backfield. Think Willy Mo at his best compared to Decoud at his worst. Watching Kearse play I see a guy who will look more like bad Decoud at the line. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Cravens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 19 minutes ago, Quest said: KOG I respect the he// outta you but this kid isn't SS material. He just doesn't have it about him. Playmaker? Yes. Can he tackle in space? Yes. But is he what we need at SS in this scheme? Nope. I appreciate that tremendously. I would normally say, "you missed my point" lol. Nah, what I'm saying here applied to Landon Collins last year as well. I said he could actually play FS here and some balked, but I don't think I ever explained it. In this defense we tend to use the Cover 3, which when added to having Quinn as the head coach, to some means we have to have a Sherman, Bennett, Avril, Wright, Wagner, Kam, and Earl. In truth, the Cover 3 mixed with the 4-3 Under make for amazing bedfellows. In football, most insiders will tell you in private, there is no actual formula. Especially in defense. Its less true in the Cover 2 and its variants, and more true with the Cover 3 and its variants. The Cover 3 we use is NOT an actual Cover 3. In fact, much like Saban it is what some will call a Cover 3.5 lol. Its more of an inside joke. It means, you make it work the best way you can. Kearse at SS would be almost the same as Iloka, just with more ball hawking ability. He would not be a hitter, or enforcer, but more like a steady tackling ball hawk. This lessens the need to find a coverage LB as much and allows the team to focus more on other things. Not saying he would be the best pick, just saying he is NOWHERE near the worst. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 16 minutes ago, AndySG said: Public opinion seems to be souring on Kearse as more people watch tape on him. A lot of it, as you said, DOES relate to taking poor angles, though. He was easily the most dissapointing prospect in the championship game. He didn't do anything completely terrible he didn't so anything well either. The more I hear about and watch him the less I am intrigued with his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Cravens You must haven't heard. He's not making it out of the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Knight of God said: You must haven't heard. He's not making it out of the first. I understand you're using sarcasm(obviously), but it makes no sense why people here think a projected second rounder right now is a lock to be a first rounder. Unless he blows up the combine(which he likely won't), he's in the same boat as Shaq Thompson, and Shaq was the better prospect IMO. Edited January 31, 2016 by Atlantafan21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, Atlantafan21 said: I understand you're using sarcasm(obviously), but it makes no sense why people here think a projected second rounder right now is a lock to be a first rounder. Unless he blows up the combine(which he likely won't), he's in the same boat as Shaq Thompson, and Shaq was the better prospect IMO. True draft pundits have him slipping to the late 2nd and early 3rd man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Our SS of the future needs to be Su'a Cravens. He plays exactly like Kam Chancellor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 4 hours ago, youngbloodz said: Our SS of the future needs to be Su'a Cravens. He plays exactly like Kam Chancellor I agree 175x499%. I like a group of guys this year and just to be honest, Kearse didn't make the list. I just don't think he's the wrong answer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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