Bobby.Digital Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 4 hours ago, delaigle said: I know they will not But I would---so many D players some will fall to rnd 2 but Kelly will not and there are some other good centers but i think Kelly stands above them and no I'm a UGA fan + WF + (small) Berry not a fan of Ala. Ryan Kelly in the 1st round would be a horrible pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: Ryan Kelly in the 1st round would be a horrible pick. I agree with that, especially at 17th overall. I don't see the drop off between Centers as huge this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: Ryan Kelly in the 1st round would be a horrible pick. I dunno man Travis Frederick and Alex Mack were selected in the first round they panned out pretty well. Never know for MeI don't care if the coaches believe that I the position that can help the team move foward the most Kelly could well be the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: I dunno man Travis Frederick and Alex Mack were selected in the first round they panned out pretty well. Never know for MeI don't care if the coaches believe that I the position that can help the team move foward the most Kelly could well be the pick. It's not that I'm against taking a center in the 1st round. I just don't see kelly as a 1st round talent and he isn't even my highest rated center. Edited February 3, 2016 by Bobby.Digital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Bobby.Digital said: It's not that I'm against taking a center in the 1st round. I just don't see kelly as a 1st round talent and he isn't even my highest rated center. i do like Kelly and he was the top rated center about 2 weeks ago--- However it's the center position I care about not so much the partcular individual I'm more interested in nailing down center for about 10 years ie Van Note and McClure added I chose Kelly because I know that the SEC West faced tough competition week after week with no let up --so he's tough and durable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Unless we are getting an Alex Mack type of center in the first round, I'm against us drafting one that soon. There are too many players available (at a need) that will be available at that point. Get the BPA at a position of need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Draft Kelly from Alabama. 6'5 296 he is mobile and is very smart. We need a home grown C like we had in McClure. Edited February 3, 2016 by lju713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Unless we are getting an Alex Mack type of center in the first round, I'm against us drafting one that soon. There are too many players available (at a need) that will be available at that point. Get the BPA at a position of need. As a bpa guy, I'd have a second heart attack if we drafted any center in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 6 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: False. And if you're suggesting Center has been a long term problem for this team....well.....you'd be just as wrong as you always are. So I guess I'm not sure why I'd be surprised. False my as: 2012 - Mud Duck 2013 - King Konz, Brawley 2014 - Brawley, R Stone 2015 - Missing Person, Gino Gradkowski 2016 - $8M TATF Free Agent Center who would be our SEVENTH STARTING CENTER in five seasons That's three years of horrible center play son. State Line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: False my as: 2012 - Mud Duck 2013 - King Konz, Brawley 2014 - Brawley, R Stone 2015 - Missing Person, Gino Gradkowski 2016 - $8M TATF Free Agent Center who would be our SEVENTH STARTING CENTER in five seasons State Line. Yeah, but that's misleading, man. We all know injuries were the reason for all the shuffling the last couple of seasons prior to the dumpster fire Quinn created last season. Historically, center is the most stable position in the history of this franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, thanat0s said: Yeah, but that's misleading, man. We all know injuries were the reason for all the shuffling the last couple of seasons prior to the dumpster fire Quinn created last season. Historically, center is the most stable position in the history of this franchise. Center play has not been at the level it was after McClure retired in 2012. Healthy or injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Center play has not been at the level it was after McClure retired in 2012. Healthy or injured. I disagree. Hawley was pretty solid and had a good nasty streak before the injury. If you ask Matt if he missed Joe, I think we all know what his answer would be. Was he McClure? No, but he wasn't a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 10 hours ago, thanat0s said: I disagree. Hawley was pretty solid and had a good nasty streak before the injury. If you ask Matt if he missed Joe, I think we all know what his answer would be. Was he McClure? No, but he wasn't a liability. Look I'm a Brawley fan. Whoever ran him off ought to have his nuts twisted. But he had limitations. The last time he snapped a ball for us was 9/28/14. So we've had 28 straight games of crappy center play. If that ain't long term we are using two different time clocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 13 hours ago, thanat0s said: As a bpa guy, I'd have a second heart attack if we drafted any center in the first round. Same here. I think we should go defense and O-line in the first four picks. My first four ideal picks would be. 1) Nkemdiche 2) Martin (Move to LG) 3) Wright 4)Matthews There are a few FA pick ups I want too to fill in holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Same here. I think we should go defense and O-line in the first four picks. My first four ideal picks would be. 1) Nkemdiche 2) Martin (Move to LG) 3) Wright 4)Matthews There are a few FA pick ups I want too to fill in holes. Those guys are fine with me as we sit in February. I think we'll have a better handle after the combine, but I agree we can't have enough talent along both lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Oh look, 1970 is making **** up again. This is the first year that center was a legitimate problem for this team in as long as I can remember. Further, many many teams have had to deal with cycling through centers, whether as a result of poor play or injury or whatever. It happens. The Chargers used 5 centers in 2014 alone. Baltimore has had 4 centers start games in the last 4 seasons. New England has had multiple centers. Denver has gone through 3 centers in the last two years plus had two or three "starters" get hurt in training camp/the beginning of the year. All the nicknames in the world wont change the reality of a league where huge dudes attack other huge dudes 65+ times a year. People get hurt. People struggle. People don't necessarily fit the culture or scheme. The game isn't easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific_Falcon Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 29 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said: Oh look, 1970 is making **** up again. This is the first year that center was a legitimate problem for this team in as long as I can remember. Further, many many teams have had to deal with cycling through centers, whether as a result of poor play or injury or whatever. It happens. The Chargers used 5 centers in 2014 alone. Baltimore has had 4 centers start games in the last 4 seasons. New England has had multiple centers. Denver has gone through 3 centers in the last two years plus had two or three "starters" get hurt in training camp/the beginning of the year. All the nicknames in the world wont change the reality of a league where huge dudes attack other huge dudes 65+ times a year. People get hurt. People struggle. People don't necessarily fit the culture or scheme. The game isn't easy. What do you think the best solution is? Long term problem or not I'd be pretty uneasy going into the same situation at C as last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pacific_Falcon said: What do you think the best solution is? Long term problem or not I'd be pretty uneasy going into the same situation at C as last year. Unfortunately, I'm missing a lot of information that I would require to give a fully educated answer. I havent watched any college OL "film" yet this year so I dont know what the rookies look like. I also dont know what the FA C's are going to be looking for in terms of cash. But as I sit right now, it probably makes the most sense to negotiate with Ben Jones while also drafting an interior OL player with a bit of positional versatility. That way you have a young "do it all" player that you're developing in the middle while you have an established vet at C. But if Jones wants more than ~$5m- $6m, things get a little dicey. Maybe you take a run at Wisniewski as well. I think with the depth of this year's draft and how that depth aligns well with our needs, this should be a year where we drop down 7-10 picks in the first and try to add a 3rd+5th or something like that. We would then use one of those mid-round picks on a developmental interior OL while also still having picks to invest into our other needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCFalc Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 probably one of the hardest positions to fill, there are very few good C's in the league. i was kinda surprised the Seattle traded Unger away last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 18 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Center play has not been at the level it was after McClure retired in 2012. Healthy or injured. D. Orlando Ledbetter @DOrlandoAJC 2h2 hours ago #Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff said he should have kept C Todd McClure around longer. Might affect what team does with @roddywhiteTV Looks like TD agrees with you in regards to McClure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 If the Rams let Tim Barnes hit FA, that may be the answer to our problems at C. Barnes is 27 & already has experience at this level (he spent his first few seasons on ST, and then started all 16 games at C for the Rams this past season), has no problems snapping in shotgun, and is an absolutely perfect fit for a ZBS due to his athleticism & agility. He was an UDFA who busted his azz to work his way to a starting position, so he's proven to be dedicated & a hard worker. Unlike some other possibilities I've seen mentioned here, Barnes shouldn't cost us a ton of cap space or an early round draft pick. Additionally, I'd absolutely love for us to draft Indiana LT Jason Spriggs in the 2nd (if he lasts that long) & move him inside to play guard. He's similar to Mitch Morse who played LT at Missouri, but had to move inside once he got to the NFL (KC took him in the 2nd last year & he became their starting C). The additions of Barnes at C & Spriggs at G would greatly improve the o-line for the next several years IMO, and without costing us an arm & a leg to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 hour ago, k-train said: If the Rams let Tim Barnes hit FA, that may be the answer to our problems at C. Barnes is 27 & already has experience at this level (he spent his first few seasons on ST, and then started all 16 games at C for the Rams this past season), has no problems snapping in shotgun, and is an absolutely perfect fit for a ZBS due to his athleticism & agility. He was an UDFA who busted his azz to work his way to a starting position, so he's proven to be dedicated & a hard worker. Unlike some other possibilities I've seen mentioned here, Barnes shouldn't cost us a ton of cap space or an early round draft pick. Additionally, I'd absolutely love for us to draft Indiana LT Jason Spriggs in the 2nd (if he lasts that long) & move him inside to play guard. He's similar to Mitch Morse who played LT at Missouri, but had to move inside once he got to the NFL (KC took him in the 2nd last year & he became their starting C). The additions of Barnes at C & Spriggs at G would greatly improve the o-line for the next several years IMO, and without costing us an arm & a leg to do so. I'll keep an eye on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Spriggs looked good in the senior bowl drills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On 03/02/2016 at 1:07 PM, Sidecar Falcon said: Unless we are getting an Alex Mack type of center in the first round, I'm against us drafting one that soon. There are too many players available (at a need) that will be available at that point. Get the BPA at a position of need. He had a bad senior bowl game. But I agree with k-train and feel he fits better as a guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconState Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I would go out and sign Ben Jones from the Texans Edited February 5, 2016 by FalconState Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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