The Rock Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 So aside from moving Morris to WRs coach and passing game coordinator and the addition of Henderson to fill Morris's previous role. The Falcons are not expected to make any further coaching moves.I like the addition of Henderson and I'm happy Morris is still on our staff, but it's a risky play to move Morris to offense when he doesn't have much experience on offense, yet alone know Shannahan's complex playbook.I was hoping we get a new Dline coach, because Cox has proven nothing in terms of developing players. He was brought here to help develop pass rush, and we ended up dead last in sacks. Also from watching hard knocks, it was clear that he has difficulty communicating with players. He admitted such and was critical of himself. He knows he dropped the ball and I don't have faith he can make it right. Any thoughts on coaching moves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'm very okay with keeping coaching continuity for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club212 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm not OK...seems window dressing works. We're becoming a disfunctional team where everyone is happy with being .500, look at 2016's schedule, 8 wins is not happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm not OK...seems window dressing works. We're becoming a disfunctional team where everyone is happy with being .500, look at 2016's schedule, 8 wins is not happening!Well, alrighty then --- it's good to know we have someone on TATF, that can see the future.....do you have any good lottery numbers you could hit me up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm not a fan of Cox either & agree that bringing him in has always seemed more about style than substance to me. To my eyes, I have seen very little growth from any players under his tutelage.That said...You do not just get rid of someone for the sake of getting rid of someone after one year. If there is a coach available who will actually be an upgrade, then of course you make a move. However, if the new guy is gonna be just an ineffective as the guy he's replacing, you might as well stick with the original coach until someone you absolutely know will be better is available. That was you are at least keeping continuity amongst your staff & players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberlian Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Maybe it's a strategy to load up on defensive coaches so that we can build an elite defense! Between Roddy (who isn't going anywhere) and Julio, the WRs can coach themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth B Told (TRU) Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 So aside from moving Morris to WRs coach and passing game coordinator and the addition of Henderson to fill Morris's previous role. The Falcons are not expected to make any further coaching moves.I like the addition of Henderson and I'm happy Morris is still on our staff, but it's a risky play to move Morris to offense when he doesn't have much experience on offense, yet alone know Shannahan's complex playbook.I was hoping we get a new Dline coach, because Cox has proven nothing in terms of developing players. He was brought here to help develop pass rush, and we ended up dead last in sacks. Also from watching hard knocks, it was clear that he has difficulty communicating with players. He admitted such and was critical of himself. He knows he dropped the ball and I don't have faith he can make it right. Any thoughts on coaching moves?I thought Morris was Redskins DB coach when Shanahan was in Washington, if so he knows his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 What is so complicated about finding coaches? Find capable qualified coaches and stick with them for more than one year at least. If the players don't "relate", tell them the coach is here to stay and deal with it or leave. When players (or fans, heaven forbid) start calling the shots, the team is doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Maybe it's a strategy to load up on defensive coaches so that we can build an elite defense! Between Roddy (who isn't going anywhere) and Julio, the WRs can coach themselves.Shirley you can't be serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Maybe it's a strategy to load up on defensive coaches so that we can build an elite defense! Between Roddy (who isn't going anywhere) and Julio, the WRs can coach themselves.They do also have Mike McDaniel on staff as the Offensive Assistant. He was a WR coach w/ the Browns & Redskins, so he may be involved with the WRs quite a bit, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm very okay with keeping coaching continuity for a while.Are these coaches qualified and work well with the head coach? If yes, then keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui_Generis Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm not a fan of Cox either & agree that bringing him in has always seemed more about style than substance to me. To my eyes, I have seen very little growth from any players under his tutelage.That said...You do not just get rid of someone for the sake of getting rid of someone after one year. If there is a coach available who will actually be an upgrade, then of course you make a move. However, if the new guy is gonna be just an ineffective as the guy he's replacing, you might as well stick with the original coach until someone you absolutely know will be better is available. That was you are at least keeping continuity amongst your staff & players.Two points about Cox and why understand Quinn kept him on this year. 1. To be fair, Cox hasn't exactly had a lot to work with talent wise. 2. The defensive line is Quinns baby. That is his passion. He is about as hands on with that group as it gets. So I am sure if he deemed Cox replaceable he would be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Are we really going to continue discussions like this until September? God people get a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 What is so complicated about finding coaches? Find capable qualified coaches and stick with them for more than one year at least. If the players don't "relate", tell them the coach is here to stay and deal with it or leave. When players (or fans, heaven forbid) start calling the shots, the team is doomed.That's like saying "what's so complicated about finding players?"Just like with finding players, you gotta find coaches that can teach the way you want your players to be taught... meaning everything from knowing/fitting the schemes to how they interact with the players. Do you want disciplinarians or motivators or X's and O's guys? Do they fit what you are trying to do schematically? Are they even willing to leave their current job & come join your staff in the first place?Lots of factors involved man, it's not like they just pull coaches out of a vending machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Two points about Cox and why understand Quinn kept him on this year.1. To be fair, Cox hasn't exactly had a lot to work with talent wise.2. The defensive line is Quinns baby. That is his passion. He is about as hands on with that group as it gets. So I am sure if he deemed Cox replaceable he would be gone.I definitely agree with your second point..As for the issue of talent... at some point he needed to do something to help Vic succeed. He eventually did move him to the other side, but admitted that as a coach he f'd that up and needed to make the move sooner. I realize it's slim pickings on the line, but he's just done next to nothing even with the guys who have flashed a little IMO. Hageman is a perfect example of this. It doesn't seem like he can actually coach the guy up, he just gets into an egotistical p!ssing contest with him instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Shirley you can't be serious?O but he is.. It's tatf after all... If anything the made him we coach to bring some ******* accountability to the wrs who can't hold onto a ball trot to the sideline and get nothing as far as coaching from robiski. I can honestly say I've only seen Julio and toddy talking back and forth during bad times and robiski with a look of.. "I sure could go for a cheeseburger " on his expressionless face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Two points about Cox and why understand Quinn kept him on this year. 1. To be fair, Cox hasn't exactly had a lot to work with talent wise. 2. The defensive line is Quinns baby. That is his passion. He is about as hands on with that group as it gets. So I am sure if he deemed Cox replaceable he would be gone.Cox is to busy babysitting our 310 lb man child 7 nights a week trying to keep him off social media and the streets.. He probably gets no sleep to even function properly at teaching technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm glad I didn't want Shanahan as our new DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club212 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 When you see that the Vikings brought in Shurmer, & they have Norv there also, thats big news! Our splash is getting a DB Coach & moving the Assistant HC that is know on the "D" side of the ball to being a WR Coach??? I guess I'll get my sanitation man to do my taxes since he knows about taxes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Maybe it's a strategy to load up on defensive coaches so that we can build an elite defense! Between Roddy (who isn't going anywhere) and Julio, the WRs can coach themselves.Coach themselves? Roddy's still trying to learn the playbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Buddy system hardSo aside from moving Morris to WRs coach and passing game coordinator and the addition of Henderson to fill Morris's previous role. The Falcons are not expected to make any further coaching moves.I like the addition of Henderson and I'm happy Morris is still on our staff, but it's a risky play to move Morris to offense when he doesn't have much experience on offense, yet alone know Shannahan's complex playbook.I was hoping we get a new Dline coach, because Cox has proven nothing in terms of developing players. He was brought here to help develop pass rush, and we ended up dead last in sacks. Also from watching hard knocks, it was clear that he has difficulty communicating with players. He admitted such and was critical of himself. He knows he dropped the ball and I don't have faith he can make it right. Any thoughts on coaching moves?Buddy system hard at work..Thats just how it is.... Edited January 26, 2016 by zekeyboy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) When you see that the Vikings brought in Shurmer, & they have Norv there also, thats big news! Our splash is getting a DB Coach & moving the Assistant HC that is know on the "D" side of the ball to being a WR Coach??? I guess I'll get my sanitation man to do my taxes since he knows about taxes..Well B. Cox was a LB, who "now" coaches Dline..Perhaps thats why we're better at stopping the run, than getting pressure up the middle... Edited January 26, 2016 by zekeyboy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Looks like another bad year with TD and KS still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanForLife Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Morris as receivers coach makes no sense at all, and merely mentioning that he was a HC does not make it so either. But it's Quinn's team so whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Two points about Cox and why understand Quinn kept him on this year.1. To be fair, Cox hasn't exactly had a lot to work with talent wise.2. The defensive line is Quinns baby. That is his passion. He is about as hands on with that group as it gets. So I am sure if he deemed Cox replaceable he would be gone.I've been critical of Cox, but both the points you made have a lot of merit. Maybe Cox has gotten about all the production possible out of the DL players we've had while he's been here. And point #2 is also right on the money. Quinn is a DL guy and he's right in the thick of the practice sessions with them, and sometimes even afterward. Who knows, maybe Cox provides the perfect hard-nosed alpha male foil to Quinn's possibly more technical approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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