DMT11 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Tyson did what he did in the ruin game and did it well, he did his job, the thing is is that we have too much tied up in him and soliai if we pick one, probably is soliai even though he saves about .5 mil more if we cut him instead, we might get rid of as well, and even keep Tyson, Jackons did not play bad at all guys - the problem is that we need to not have this much cap tied up in guys that can only stop the run but can also generate some interior push, we already know Quinn is concentrating on the lines, I think that is the first thing he gets fixed period, because weve seen what that does with the big guys are rolling. across the board. Id like to cut one of them but we need guys to step up, Goodman needs step up if we do cuz were not going to replace him with another run stuffer, when we need more pass rush coming from that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Haha love me some Biermann. I know that's unpopular to say but I have been behind him forever. Dude led the team in sacks last year and played awesome on run D this year. Also saved us a game. Love me some Beerman!Same here. Never understood the hate. Doesn't make much and has made some big plays for us over the years. Hope he's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Before you say things like this, you really should check out some actual statistics.Tackles (Combined assisted and solo) this seasonBiermann 55Jackson 30Babs 30Hageman 28Beasley 26Jarrett 24Soliai 22Clayborn 15Goodman 3Yes because tackles is considered play making. Why not just play the whole defense with linebackers and get 100 tackles each player? We will really start winning then.....TACKLES DONT MEAN **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 He had that one play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Tyson Jackson is not a "play maker". He is a run stopper and belongs on a 3-man front. He was signed, along with Soliai, to do just that. We changed defensive scheme AGAIN, and are now faced with the wrong personnel AGAIN. It is time to dump Jackson and possibly Soliai and draft our foundation DT: A'Shawn Robinson. He will stop the run AND collapse the pocket. He will make opposing QB's experience what Matt Ryan experiences every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yes because tackles is considered play making. Why not just play the whole defense with linebackers and get 100 tackles each player? We will really start winning then.....TACKLES DONT MEAN ****I doubt that Jackson was making many tackles 15 yards down field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 He had a sack early in the season. That's about all I remember.I know his job was to set the edge and play run defense, but he really is "Just a Guy." He'll be cut this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualStuff Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yes because tackles is considered play making. Why not just play the whole defense with linebackers and get 100 tackles each player? We will really start winning then.....TACKLES DONT MEAN ****"TACKLES DON'T MEAN ****"...except for when the OP to whom I was responding says HE DIDN'T MAKE ANY TACKLES.Sheesh... no he's not a sack man, but he did a good job as a run defender and clogged up some lanes. Every tackle a d-lineman makes in the run game isa tackle a LB or safety isn't making after the runner is 4-8 yards farther downfield. My response was about the fact the guy was 2nd on the team for tacklesmade by d-lineman, a direct response to what the OP erroneously claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 those saying our DL didn't generate any pressure are incorrect. We had 66 QB hits this year, despite the 19 sacks. between our deep zone coverage and LBs inability to cover the short-intermediate field, I am not surprised sacks suffered. If we get a guy in there who can cover up a TE and swing passes, the sacks will go up a lot with the same line. Now add in a year of maturity for Beasley, Jarrett and Hageman and this line may be closer than some think. we DID address the pass rush, but when you do it w rookies it takes a little time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 He's a massive liability against the pass. One of the main reasons we could not rush the passer on first or second down or whenever he was on the field. He moves like a pregnant woman with lead shoes covered in cement.So you're saying he has Matt Ryan speed and agility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I believe you. Not saying I was expecting high sack totals or anything, but he made the fewest plays of any DT on our team. Not a big deal but I just found it hilarious that he was that invisible to me for the entire seasonHe doesn't play DT in this system. He plays DE on run downs. He's a big reason we were #1 against the run until he and soliai got some nagging injuries. He had a rib injury and soliai had a head and calf injury. He made several stops in the backfield and mad it hard to run inside on us. What Peyton said what he does doesn't show up on the stats sheet a lot of times. You need the big nasties that do road grade work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 those saying our DL didn't generate any pressure are incorrect. We had 66 QB hits this year, despite the 19 sacks. between our deep zone coverage and LBs inability to cover the short-intermediate field, I am not surprised sacks suffered. If we get a guy in there who can cover up a TE and swing passes, the sacks will go up a lot with the same line. Now add in a year of maturity for Beasley, Jarrett and Hageman and this line may be closer than some think. we DID address the pass rush, but when you do it w rookies it takes a little time.Most have no clue man. Better linebacker coverage on rb's and TE's and 40 of those 66 qb hits are sacks. I kept telling folks we were getting pressure and qb's dunked and dunked us to death because the backers still have up plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Tyson Jackson is not a "play maker". He is a run stopper and belongs on a 3-man front. He was signed, along with Soliai, to do just that.We changed defensive scheme AGAIN, and are now faced with the wrong personnel AGAIN.It is time to dump Jackson and possibly Soliai and draft our foundation DT: A'Shawn Robinson. He will stop the run AND collapse the pocket. He will make opposing QB's experience what Matt Ryan experiences every game.Tyson had the same gap responsibility of a 3/4 DE, that's the whole 4/3 base with 3/4 principles part of the scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I hope Clayborn is back next year. I think he can get better w this team, I know he's a little bit older but I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsincebirth Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I know one thing, he **** sure made more plays than Brooks Reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownfan Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I know one thing, he **** sure made more plays than Brooks ReedFunny, the things ignorant fans think they know. Reed and Jackson both made three tackles in the NO game, however, Reed had 2 solo tackles (including one for a loss and an assist) while Jackson had only 3 tackle assists.http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?id=7613&type=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 This title should be......I don't remember a single play in the redzone all year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Tony G. Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 This title should be......I don't remember a single play in the redzone all year lol.I wish I could forget smh haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Don't know what he graded out at but I remember him making several plays in the run game which is what he was originally brought in to do. He did things that didn't show up on the stat sheet.Yeah but TyJax got a pretty big FA deal for what we are getting - we overpay for "just a guy" on defense where other teams get TyJax production for $0.25/$1.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Yeah but TyJax got a pretty big FA deal for what we are getting - we overpay for "just a guy" on defense where other teams get TyJax production for $0.25/$1.00.That's not on him. He did the job he was brought in to do. When he was healthy this year he was a key cog to the run defense. That's the front office and the previous regime who put that high a premium on a guy who is primarily a run defender/dirty work guy.Did you expect him to suddenly morph into a elite edge rusher/double digit sack guy just off the strength of his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 That's not on him. He did the job he was brought in to do. When he was healthy this year he was a key cog to the run defense. That's the front office and the previous regime who put that high a premium on a guy who is primarily a run defender/dirty work guy.Did you expect him to suddenly morph into a elite edge rusher/double digit sack guy just off the strength of his contract?I honestly think people believe that. I call it the Joe Johnson syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGABOZ Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 He was a Mike Smith holdover..doubt he's back next year.scott pioli brought him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 That's not on him. He did the job he was brought in to do. When he was healthy this year he was a key cog to the run defense. That's the front office and the previous regime who put that high a premium on a guy who is primarily a run defender/dirty work guy.Did you expect him to suddenly morph into a elite edge rusher/double digit sack guy just off the strength of his contract?I never said it was "on him" - it is on the personnel staff and he that shall remain nameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I never said it was "on him" - it is on the personnel staff and he that shall remain nameless.Full disclosure, I wasn't in love with the signing myself, especially when it was combo'ed up with Soliai. Just seemed too redundant, but to be totally fair to the front office, that contract wasn't that outrageous for that position. Aaron Smith, who used to play for the Steelers, same type of player (3-4 End), signed a 5 year $24.5 million back in 2007. Now I'm not saying Jackson is Aaron Smith, who I think is one of the great overlooked players of the past 15 years, but Aaron Smith never got his name called a whole lot either on T.V., but he was so vital to making that defense work, so we would have to define what we mean when we say "production", because if the front office viewed Jackson as the same type of player, then that contract isn't that outrageous.As I said, he was very good in 2015 at the role he was asked to play when he was healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 our lbs were head and shoulders better than last yr and they still stink, lol honestly fatboi and kog can tell yall how long I have been wanting a real LB, that to me is one of the very key areas on defense that you need a bonified play maker, just look at the panthers. hopefully this will finally stop the Paul Worrilow is the next derrick brooks nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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