What Makes Arthur So Sure He Has The Right Personnel This Time

[Nono]

& why should we believe him this time. Sure he is the owner/dictator and we have to take accept what he decides, but not speaking on the state of the franchise after the season and playing silent leader is maddening especially when he is asking us to "Rise Up" and pay for PSL's and support his billion dollar dream.

Its even more frustrating for those of us who have bought into this team and pin our daily lives to this board to show our loyalty. Its also frustrating to the average fans, media and the rest of Atlanta to have gone through such a roller coaster season and then expecting some kind of explanation and nothing but silence, then a press release stating the there will be no coaching changes.

I know this franchise is in a much better condition and place with Mr. Blank as the owner but his strengths almost equal his weaknesses. He is first a business man and yes football is a business but the art of winning is an intangible that can't be bought and all the private meetings held after this average season finished to evaluate the coaching were about telling Mr. Blank "we know what we're doing and we have a commitment to winning". I say you we don't have a commitment to win here in Atlanta not as long as we can't make the tough choices like firing McKay or TD. I can see keeping Shanahan for now so we can get some stability going into 2016 but you have to admit Kyle was a miserable failure.

Bottom line, Arthur Blank is a businessman and concerned with making money. Sure he wants to win and has spent millions if not billions in hiring what he thinks is right personnel but his decision making is flawed. He values loyalty too much and can't make the right choices so we suffer and doomed to be no more than an average to sometime better than average team.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Nono

[ukfalc]

I don't think an owner can ever be totally sure that he has the right people to win a super bowl, because so many things have to fall in to place to win it.

We have a GM who took a 4-12 mess that hadn't had a winning record for 3 seasons, and and turned it in to a team that had the best combined W/L record in the conference over the 5 years from 2008-12 and had the #1 seed in 2 of throes 5 years. TD built a team that could -and possibly should - have won a super bowl, but came up agonisingly short in 2012. People can moan about TD and what has gone wrong since then with some justification, but it's not difficult to see why an owner may wish to keep faith with a GM who has accomplished what we did from 08-12, rather than trust the rebuild to an inexperienced GM. The fact that Quinn clearly likes working with TD, and we were universally praised for having a very very good draft last year, are further reasons to keep the status quo.

Just because you want TD fired, that does not mean that we "lack a commitment to winning" for not doing so. Mr. Blank works with TD on a regular basis and sees exactly what he does. He is in a fatter better position to evaluate TD - and decide if he is the right man - than anybody on here? Besides, making changes to the coaching staff and front office every year isn't necessarily conducive to success. If anything, the lack of continuity makes it more difficult - if not impossible - to win. It is no coincidence that the most successful franchise in the modern era is the one that is most patient. The steelers gave Bill Cowher 15 years to win a super bowl.

[Nono]

I don't think an owner can ever be totally sure that he has the right people to win a super bowl, because so many things have to fall in to place to win it.

We have a GM who took a 4-12 mess that hadn't had a winning record for 3 seasons, and and turned it in to a team that had the best combined W/L record in the conference over the 5 years from 2008-12 and had the #1 seed in 2 of throes 5 years. TD built a team that could -and possibly should - have won a super bowl, but came up agonisingly short in 2012. People can moan about TD and what has gone wrong since then with some justification, but it's not difficult to see why an owner may wish to keep faith with a GM who has accomplished what we did from 08-12, rather than trust the rebuild to an inexperienced GM. The fact that Quinn clearly likes working with TD, and we were universally praised for having a very very good draft last year, are further reasons to keep the status quo.

Just because you want TD fired, that does not mean that we "lack a commitment to winning" for not doing so. Mr. Blank works with TD on a regular basis and sees exactly what he does. He is in a fatter better position to evaluate TD - and decide if he is the right man - than anybody on here? Besides, making changes to the coaching staff and front office every year isn't necessarily conducive to success. If anything, the lack of continuity makes it more difficult - if not impossible - to win. It is no coincidence that the most successful franchise in the modern era is the one that is most patient. The steelers gave Bill Cowher 15 years to win a super bowl.

Good points and certainly well thought out

I would rebut by saying 15 years is an anomaly and that window is more like 3 years now. With all the increased pressure to win and win now coaches typically get blown out are 3 losing seasons. Look at Cleveland--one and done

Arthur desperately wants a dynasty--heck I would settle for consistency right now but feel we have a history of poor decision makers leading this team (TD primarily). His draft and free agent moves speak for themselves.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Nono

[Silvoxx]

He's an idiot

[Nono]

He's an idiot

Far from it--he is genius at business but his model isn't working as perfectly as we had hoped

[A Dog Named Brian]

The lengths you guys go to bashing this FO is just pathetic now....

[capologist]

Far from it--he is genius at business but his model isn't working as perfectly as we had hoped

What you don't realize is that he's changed his model. He's relying on Quinn not TD. That's why the scouting department is going to get a shake up.

As for Shanahan, he's certainly not a failure. DQ laid it all out there for you. The offense moved the ball the thing that killed us was the red zone turnovers. Do you think we lose against the Saints if Freeman doesn't fumble on the 4 or if Graham's field goal doesn't get blocked? That's 10 points that the failure put us in position to get. How many other plays were there that were either overthrown or flat out dropped? That's not the fault of any scheme, just poor execution. The good thing about execution is that can be fixed.

[Nono]

What you don't realize is that he's changed his model. He's relying on Quinn not TD. That's why the scouting department is going to get a shake up.

As for Shanahan, he's certainly not a failure. DQ laid it all out there for you. The offense moved the ball the thing that killed us was the red zone turnovers. Do you think we lose against the Saints if Freeman doesn't fumble on the 4 or if Graham's field goal doesn't get blocked? That's 10 points that the failure put us in position to get. How many other plays were there that were either overthrown or flat out dropped? That's not the fault of any scheme, just poor execution. The good thing about execution is that can be fixed.

good point, I hope so cap

My question is why keep TD especially with his poor draft moves--I mean what purpose does he serve now. Seems kind of neutered

[Nono]

The lengths you guys go to bashing this FO is just pathetic now....

I'm amazed how many just accept all the Falcons moves and bitterness and move on without saying a word

[TheUsualStuff]

I don't think an owner can ever be totally sure that he has the right people to win a super bowl, because so many things have to fall in to place to win it.

I agree that there is no such thing as "right people to win a super bowl", but you do need the right people to build a consistent organization that knows the right way to go about their business and the right way to build a team.

I think we've got the going about the business of football thing a lot more right than we ever did under previous the previous ownership, but were not there on the team building part. TD certainly wasn't as their seemed to be some talent evaluation issues. Maybe Quinn will get it right and TD

is more of just the contract and money guy now. I was disappointed in our results in year 1 because so many winnable games were lost because of foolish mistakes, but the jury is still out. I think though his optimism is in Quinn having final say on personnel more than TD, and as owner he has no other choice but to repeat the company line.

[g-dawg]

What you don't realize is that he's changed his model. He's relying on Quinn not TD. That's why the scouting department is going to get a shake up.

As for Shanahan, he's certainly not a failure. DQ laid it all out there for you. The offense moved the ball the thing that killed us was the red zone turnovers. Do you think we lose against the Saints if Freeman doesn't fumble on the 4 or if Graham's field goal doesn't get blocked? That's 10 points that the failure put us in position to get. How many other plays were there that were either overthrown or flat out dropped? That's not the fault of any scheme, just poor execution. The good thing about execution is that can be fixed.

Shanahan's offenses have had the same issues in other places - move the ball well between the 20's but difficulty scoring in the red zone.

[Mr.11]

I'm amazed how many just accept all the Falcons moves and bitterness and move on without saying a word

Maybe because they have more important things to focus on in their lives. Edited January 9, 2016 by JerseyNo12

[TheUsualStuff]

No... because the ones Nono is talking about spend an awful lot of time focused on those who

are a bit skeptical of the Falcons.

[Bring It]

I don't think an owner can ever be totally sure that he has the right people to win a super bowl, because so many things have to fall in to place to win it.

We have a GM who took a 4-12 mess that hadn't had a winning record for 3 seasons, and and turned it in to a team that had the best combined W/L record in the conference over the 5 years from 2008-12 and had the #1 seed in 2 of throes 5 years. TD built a team that could -and possibly should - have won a super bowl, but came up agonisingly short in 2012. People can moan about TD and what has gone wrong since then with some justification, but it's not difficult to see why an owner may wish to keep faith with a GM who has accomplished what we did from 08-12, rather than trust the rebuild to an inexperienced GM. The fact that Quinn clearly likes working with TD, and we were universally praised for having a very very good draft last year, are further reasons to keep the status quo.

Just because you want TD fired, that does not mean that we "lack a commitment to winning" for not doing so. Mr. Blank works with TD on a regular basis and sees exactly what he does. He is in a fatter better position to evaluate TD - and decide if he is the right man - than anybody on here? Besides, making changes to the coaching staff and front office every year isn't necessarily conducive to success. If anything, the lack of continuity makes it more difficult - if not impossible - to win. It is no coincidence that the most successful franchise in the modern era is the one that is most patient. The steelers gave Bill Cowher 15 years to win a super bowl.

Your first paragraph pretty much says it all.

NFL football is a complex mix of a thousand tangibles PLUS umpteen intangibles.

Certainly, sound logic and intelligence go a long way in succeeding but there are no Magic Elixirs. None.

Today's American culture demands quick fixes, quick turnarounds, quick success, even quick bowel movements. EVERYTHING must be quick or the suicide rate goes crazy.

Relax..........and realize that the Falcons will get it done.

Not as QUICK as most want but success will come.

[capologist]

good point, I hope so cap

My question is why keep TD especially with his poor draft moves--I mean what purpose does he serve now. Seems kind of neutered

Because this year was year 1 of a new way. This past draft had all the pundits and 95% of the board's approval. Personally, I think Brooks Reed's injury hampered his performance. I think we'll see much more from him next season. You keep TD because DQ wants him to stay. Let's see what happens in year 2, I'm betting it gets better...

[kiwifalcon]

Because this year was year 1 of a new way. This past draft had all the pundits and 95% of the board's approval. Personally, I think Brooks Reed's injury hampered his performance. I think we'll see much more from him next season. You keep TD because DQ wants him to stay. Let's see what happens in year 2, I'm betting it gets better...

Cap the majority think TD can't change his spots and are basing there comments accordingly.They basically dismiss the fact that The HC & Owner have aligned themselves with TD and are moving foward accordingly.

The naysayers also don't want to recognise the structure implemented and still think we are doing the same old hence again the reason why they comment like they do.

Basically the lack of overview is what gets me.

[thanat0s]

Senility.

[anewton]

some people forget what the smiths were really like as owners......just saying

[capologist]

Shanahan's offenses have had the same issues in other places - move the ball well between the 20's but difficulty scoring in the red zone.

And please name the good QB's he's had to work with to improve that. A washed up McNabb? Rex Grossman/John someoneoranother? Brian Hoyer? Somehow I think Matt Ryan can accomplish more than them...

[g-dawg]

And please name the good QB's he's had to work with to improve that. A washed up McNabb? Rex Grossman/John someoneoranother? Brian Hoyer? Somehow I think Matt Ryan can accomplish more than them...

I certainly hope so - but Shannahan presided over Matt's worst season in a long time. 21 TDs and 16 Ints - simply awful. This year was Shannahan's chance to step out of the shadows and he failed miserably - and, when his QB was struggling, Shannahan made almost no adjustments to help him. I am not blaming Shanny for all of Matt's issues this year, but certainly some of them fall on the OC.

[thanat0s]

some people forget what the smiths were really like as owners......just saying

The Smiths also worked in a vastly different era than Blank has enjoyed, both in access to scouting information and the financial structure of the new millennium.

Team building was a much harder chore most of the history of the league. They had their failings to be sure, but Blank has had a much easier environment in which to thrive, and still hasn't accomplished even as much as the Smith family.

I'll not give him a pass at the expense of the owners who did reach the super bowl. He also fired not only that SB coach, he also canned the winningest coach in our history.

[TSTolbert]

I guess that is because he owns the team. I would rather he pick the personnel than the Smiths. They were horrible and did not care about the team at all.

[Culain_04]

& why should we believe him this time. Sure he is the owner/dictator and we have to take accept what he decides, but not speaking on the state of the franchise after the season and playing silent leader is maddening especially when he is asking us to "Rise Up" and pay for PSL's and support his billion dollar dream.

Its even more frustrating for those of us who have bought into this team and pin our daily lives to this board to show our loyalty. Its also frustrating to the average fans, media and the rest of Atlanta to have gone through such a roller coaster season and then expecting some kind of explanation and nothing but silence, then a press release stating the there will be no coaching changes.

I know this franchise is in a much better condition and place with Mr. Blank as the owner but his strengths almost equal his weaknesses. He is first a business man and yes football is a business but the art of winning is an intangible that can't be bought and all the private meetings held after this average season finished to evaluate the coaching were about telling Mr. Blank "we know what we're doing and we have a commitment to winning". I say you we don't have a commitment to win here in Atlanta not as long as we can't make the tough choices like firing McKay or TD. I can see keeping Shanahan for now so we can get some stability going into 2016 but you have to admit Kyle was a miserable failure.

Bottom line, Arthur Blank is a businessman and concerned with making money. Sure he wants to win and has spent millions if not billions in hiring what he thinks is right personnel but his decision making is flawed. He values loyalty too much and can't make the right choices so we suffer and doomed to be no more than an average to sometime better than average team.

I'm sure the Taints could use a fan like yourself

[FalconFanSince1970]

I don't think an owner can ever be totally sure that he has the right people to win a super bowl, because so many things have to fall in to place to win it.

We have a GM who took a 4-12 mess that hadn't had a winning record for 3 seasons, and and turned it in to a team that had the best combined W/L record in the conference over the 5 years from 2008-12 and had the #1 seed in 2 of throes 5 years. TD built a team that could -and possibly should - have won a super bowl, but came up agonisingly short in 2012. People can moan about TD and what has gone wrong since then with some justification, but it's not difficult to see why an owner may wish to keep faith with a GM who has accomplished what we did from 08-12, rather than trust the rebuild to an inexperienced GM. The fact that Quinn clearly likes working with TD, and we were universally praised for having a very very good draft last year, are further reasons to keep the status quo.

Just because you want TD fired, that does not mean that we "lack a commitment to winning" for not doing so. Mr. Blank works with TD on a regular basis and sees exactly what he does. He is in a fatter better position to evaluate TD - and decide if he is the right man - than anybody on here? Besides, making changes to the coaching staff and front office every year isn't necessarily conducive to success. If anything, the lack of continuity makes it more difficult - if not impossible - to win. It is no coincidence that the most successful franchise in the modern era is the one that is most patient. The steelers gave Bill Cowher 15 years to win a super bowl.

How many times do I have to tell you this son? Dimi added some key pieces to a fairly talented roster he inherited in 2008 and went 56-24. When he replaced the players he inherited with his guys he went 18-30. What part of this do you not understand?

[Atlfanstckndenver]

How many times do I have to tell you this son? Dimi added some key pieces to a fairly talented roster he inherited in 2008 and went 56-24. When he replaced the players he inherited with his guys he went 18-30. What part of this do you not understand?

could you repeat that? Edited January 10, 2016 by Atlfanstckndenver