Getting Rid Of Td

[UnrealfalcoN]

I'm still trying figure that out.

get all the blame

[sdogg]

get all the blame

Because he's been here for 8 years and has yet to figure out how to add serious talent, particularly to the OL and front 7 of the D.

[sassy_bird]

So if TD doesn't manage our cap space and contracts... then WTF does he do???

Rides his bike.

[g-dawg]

Gdawg pointing out all these different people do all these different things but still refuses to believe it's a collaboration rofl.

just showing that TD has even less talent than some thought - "well at least he is good w/ the cap" - WRONG!

you seem to have a hard time understanding business/management. When you are IN CHARGE of personnel for 8 years, and you have a bottom 5-10 roster - it does not matter how many scouts or cap gurus you have - you are responsible - the responsibility comes with the title and the paycheck.

according to folks like you, the GM should never be accountable for anything - your response to "what's your favorite color?" would be "collaborative".

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

good question - LOL.

He is still involved on the personnel side - more of the day-to-day has been delegated to Scott Pioli but TD still makes the final call and I believe TD interacts w/ Dan Quinn as almost a "go-between" or an intermediary.

Dimitroff's job title and salary is not really commensurate with his duties right now. Dimitroff is more than likely a GM in "name only" right now. Dimitroff fans will likely say "then what are you complaining about G-Dawg?" - but Dimitroff still is responsible for Pioli and the scouting staff and making the final calls on draft picks - although it could be guessed that Quinn is making more of those calls right now - hard to say for sure. Quinn has the call on the "final 53" but nowhere in his job authority does it say he has last call on players selected in draft/free agency - however, he has much more power than Smitty ever conceived of having.

You pry coulda saved yourself a lot of finger lifts by typing "I don't know"

[g-dawg]

Rides his bike.

look how good he rides in the parking lot

[g-dawg]

You pry coulda saved yourself a lot of finger lifts by typing "I don't know"

You pry coulda saved yourself a lot of finger lifts by typing "I don't know"

Falcons organizational chart:

[sdogg]

just showing that TD has even less talent than some thought - "well at least he is good w/ the cap" - WRONG!

you seem to have a hard time understanding business/management. When you are IN CHARGE of personnel for 8 years, and you have a bottom 5-10 roster - it does not matter how many scouts or cap gurus you have - you are responsible - the responsibility comes with the title and the paycheck.

according to folks like you, the GM should never be accountable for anything - your response to "what's your favorite color?" would be "collaborative".

This ^^

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Falcons organizational chart:

I'm sure the Falcons org chart is pretty straightforward and clear for everyone involved.

I'm not sure why "we" feel we're entitled to a thorough understanding of the org chart.

I'm even less sure why some would make **** up to fill in the gaps when they arent sure.

[g-dawg]

I'm sure the Falcons org chart is pretty straightforward and clear for everyone involved.

I'm not sure why "we" feel we're entitled to a thorough understanding of the org chart.

I'm even less sure why some would make **** up to fill in the gaps when they arent sure.

gaps like:

Ray Edwards

Dunta Robinson

Steven Jackson

Osi Umenyiora

Brooks Reed

Justin Durant

Tyson Jackson

Paul Soliai

Sam Baker

Chevis Jackson

Peria Jerry

Christopher Owens

Akeem Dent

Mike Johnson

Peter Konz

Lamar Holmes

those gaps?

[E. T.]

It baffles me that a GM that has been stripped of certain "GM" duties is still a GM.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

gaps like:

Ray Edwards

Dunta Robinson

Steven Jackson

Osi Umenyiora

Brooks Reed

Justin Durant

Tyson Jackson

Paul Soliai

Sam Baker

Chevis Jackson

Peria Jerry

Christopher Owens

Akeem Dent

Mike Johnson

Peter Konz

Lamar Holmes

those gaps?

Derp derp for good, eh?

**** shame...

[g-dawg]

It baffles me that a GM that has been stripped of certain "GM" duties is still a GM.

Arthur Blank never fires anyone. It has been kept a secret but what the heck.......Mike Smith comes into Flowery Branch on Tuesdays and does laundry and cuts the grass.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

It baffles me that a GM that has been stripped of certain "GM" duties is still a GM.

The disconnect would be the underlying assumption that "GM duties" refers to a universal set of things.

GMs in this league do all sorts of different things. Overall, their job is to manage the operation. But beyond that? It varies from team to team, org to org.

[k-train]

Mike Vick did the same to the Falcons when he went to jail but know one mentioned that when TD & the FO was trying to re-build the team convienently he got a pass.

I can only speak for myself, but I sure as sh!t didn't give Vick a pass for what he did to this team, and I'm sure I probably voiced my concern & disappointment on here with having to still pay for the guy after his selfishness & carelessness ripped the franchise apart.

[kiwifalcon]

I can only speak for myself, but I sure as sh!t didn't give Vick a pass for what he did to this team, and I'm sure I probably voiced my concern & disappointment on here with having to still pay for the guy after his selfishness & carelessness ripped the franchise apart.

Bad reference on my part really as I lumped everyone in when really I know I probably could have worded it better.

To me the black n white mentality of posting here with regards to responsibilities and all is frustrating me as there are many causes and effects that effect a decision good or bad but in reality it's swept under the carpet.

For me it's the why that gets me going not the just fire this guy just because to me that's looking at the surface I want to know what's underneath and how the FO GM or whoever got there.This gives me more clarity when I post.

[g-dawg]

Bad reference on my part really as I lumped everyone in when really I know I probably could have worded it better.

To me the black n white mentality of posting here with regards to responsibilities and all is frustrating me as there are many causes and effects that effect a decision good or bad but in reality it's swept under the carpet.

For me it's the why that gets me going not the just fire this guy just because to me that's looking at the surface I want to know what's underneath and how the FO GM or whoever got there.This gives me more clarity when I post.

good luck getting the back-story in Flowery Branch or any NFL franchise. Heck how many times in corporate america or australia where you live - do you get the whole story?

[UnrealfalcoN]

Because he's been here for 8 years and has yet to figure out how to add serious talent, particularly to the OL and front 7 of the D.

did we just not establish he has nothing to do with this team at all including scouting (pioli) drafting (apparently pioli and quinn unless it's a bust), development (quinn) or salary negotiations ?

[k-train]

Bad reference on my part really as I lumped everyone in when really I know I probably could have worded it better.

To me the black n white mentality of posting here with regards to responsibilities and all is frustrating me as there are many causes and effects that effect a decision good or bad but in reality it's swept under the carpet.

For me it's the why that gets me going not the just fire this guy just because to me that's looking at the surface I want to know what's underneath and how the FO GM or whoever got there.This gives me more clarity when I post.

I can get with this.

We live in an overly reactionary society IMO. Probably because technology has sped things up faster than our minds can adapt... everything available instantly by just pushing a few buttons, etc.

Personally, I like to look at the big picture, not just one or two elements, and try to understand the cause & effect of all the different variables. Then, I make a decision based on my observations & considerations of as many viewpoints as I can.

It's hard & takes a lot of effort, but I think in the long haul, it beats being reactionary & making misinformed, short-sighted statements.

[Da_Truth]

good question - LOL.

He is still involved on the personnel side - more of the day-to-day has been delegated to Scott Pioli but TD still makes the final call and I believe TD interacts w/ Dan Quinn as almost a "go-between" or an intermediary.

Dimitroff's job title and salary is not really commensurate with his duties right now. Dimitroff is more than likely a GM in "name only" right now. Dimitroff fans will likely say "then what are you complaining about G-Dawg?" - but Dimitroff still is responsible for Pioli and the scouting staff and making the final calls on draft picks - although it could be guessed that Quinn is making more of those calls right now - hard to say for sure. Quinn has the call on the "final 53" but nowhere in his job authority does it say he has last call on players selected in draft/free agency - however, he has much more power than Smitty ever conceived of having.

G-Dawg, you hit the nail on the head. Dimitroff is Arthur's puppet boy is what it amounts to. Arthur is the main issue in this whole thing--this is why I believe he won't bring a strong football person in to run the team. Arthur is beginning to turn out more like Jerry Jones with his hand in everything, yet wants to act as though these guys he brought in makes all the football decisions. Dimitroff is still here because he doesn't make a decision on his own, but gets buy-in from the HC, Personnel/Scouting Directors. Quinn already came out and said he doesn't want to be involved in scouting and selecting of players--which is smart on his part. No more scapegoats (like Smitty) for TD when players don't work out.

[g-dawg]

G-Dawg, you hit the nail on the head. Dimitroff is Arthur's puppet boy is what it amounts to. Arthur is the main issue in this whole thing--this is why I believe he won't bring a strong football person in to run the team. Arthur is beginning to turn out more like Jerry Jones with his hand in everything, yet wants to act as though these guys he brought in makes all the football decisions. Dimitroff is still here because he doesn't make a decision on his own, but gets buy-in from the HC, Personnel/Scouting Directors. Quinn already came out and said he doesn't want to be involved in scouting and selecting of players--which is smart on his part. No more scapegoats (like Smitty) for TD when players don't work out.

I bet if Smitty was not given such a nice going away present with this severance/contract balance - and if he was not such a classy guy - if you gave Smitty truth serum, I bet he would let you know what he thought about TD trying to pass the buck back to Smitty on personnel failures. TD consulted w/ Smitty - but they were very clearly TDs picks and TD's vision of the team and personnel - Gazoo and his ilk have seized upon the exception to the rule (Soliai/TJax/2014) and have turned it into something it was not - some kind of 50/50 partnership on personnel. TD would draft players that fit whatever system Smitty wanted - but I believe that is about as far as it went.

[FalconFanForLife]

just showing that TD has even less talent than some thought - "well at least he is good w/ the cap" - WRONG!

you seem to have a hard time understanding business/management. When you are IN CHARGE of personnel for 8 years, and you have a bottom 5-10 roster - it does not matter how many scouts or cap gurus you have - you are responsible - the responsibility comes with the title and the paycheck.

according to folks like you, the GM should never be accountable for anything - your response to "what's your favorite color?" would be "collaborative".

It is pointless to debate TD anymore as it is obvious he is going nowhere, and why is that? Because Arthur Blank does not hold his GM's accountable at all. After McKay made us the laughing stocks of the NFL by the worst coaching hire in NFL history with Petrino, Blanks response was to promote him to whatever title he had in charge of the salary cap, and later in charge of the new stadium.

After it became crystal clear that we had one of the worst rosters in the NFL, Blank fired Smith and brought in Quinn and Pioli while saying that Quinn had final say over the roster. The real problem in Atlanta is clearly the owner who hides the incompetence of his GM hirings behind a charade of corporate title shuffling.

My main concern is not TD: he is obviously removed as a true GM. My concern is who is in charge of actual scouting as it is clear to me that THIS is the fundamental problem with our personnel failures. These are the clowns how convinced TD that Lamar Holmes was a round 3 talent when every other scout in the NFL knew he was 7th round at best. Our scouting department is the ultimate failure of TDs tenure here. Quinn can have all the final say Blank wants in the hiring, but if he is given horrible evaluations regarding players, then all is for naught.

BTW, the reference to Blank looking more like a Jerry Jones owner is ringing more true with me each day. Blank just appears to hide his meddling more.

[kiwifalcon]

good luck getting the back-story in Flowery Branch or any NFL franchise. Heck how many times in corporate america or australia where you live - do you get the whole story?

Australia hmmmm geographically your a couple of thousand miles to the EAST off.

[kiwifalcon]

It is pointless to debate TD anymore as it is obvious he is going nowhere, and why is that? Because Arthur Blank does not hold his GM's accountable at all. After McKay made us the laughing stocks of the NFL by the worst coaching hire in NFL history with Petrino, Blanks response was to promote him to whatever title he had in charge of the salary cap, and later in charge of the new stadium.

After it became crystal clear that we had one of the worst rosters in the NFL, Blank fired Smith and brought in Quinn and Pioli while saying that Quinn had final say over the roster. The real problem in Atlanta is clearly the owner who hides the incompetence of his GM hirings behind a charade of corporate title shuffling.

My main concern is not TD: he is obviously removed as a true GM. My concern is who is in charge of actual scouting as it is clear to me that THIS is the fundamental problem with our personnel failures. These are the clowns how convinced TD that Lamar Holmes was a round 3 talent when every other scout in the NFL knew he was 7th round at best. Our scouting department is the ultimate failure of TDs tenure here. Quinn can have all the final say Blank wants in the hiring, but if he is given horrible evaluations regarding players, then all is for naught.

BTW, the reference to Blank looking more like a Jerry Jones owner is ringing more true with me each day. Blank just appears to hide his meddling more.

That's basically Pioli's role in this new structure isn't it he's basically the head of college scouting and all the scouts report to him and TD oversees him and vice a versa with with DQ with regards to the team.

Basically DQ has nothing to do with Pioli the latter works under TD.

TD is basically the fulcrum where the 2 parties meet.

Completely agree Falconsfanforlife AB in my eyes is where this all iminates from he uses his business models to try and make F/Ball decisions.Its an issue for sure and you've just proven this with his past dealings with McKay.

[g-dawg]

It is pointless to debate TD anymore as it is obvious he is going nowhere, and why is that? Because Arthur Blank does not hold his GM's accountable at all. After McKay made us the laughing stocks of the NFL by the worst coaching hire in NFL history with Petrino, Blanks response was to promote him to whatever title he had in charge of the salary cap, and later in charge of the new stadium.

After it became crystal clear that we had one of the worst rosters in the NFL, Blank fired Smith and brought in Quinn and Pioli while saying that Quinn had final say over the roster. The real problem in Atlanta is clearly the owner who hides the incompetence of his GM hirings behind a charade of corporate title shuffling.

My main concern is not TD: he is obviously removed as a true GM. My concern is who is in charge of actual scouting as it is clear to me that THIS is the fundamental problem with our personnel failures. These are the clowns how convinced TD that Lamar Holmes was a round 3 talent when every other scout in the NFL knew he was 7th round at best. Our scouting department is the ultimate failure of TDs tenure here. Quinn can have all the final say Blank wants in the hiring, but if he is given horrible evaluations regarding players, then all is for naught.

BTW, the reference to Blank looking more like a Jerry Jones owner is ringing more true with me each day. Blank just appears to hide his meddling more.

good post. I tend to agree w/ much of what you have said here. The corporate culture is so muddled because of Blank's heavy hand and watching over everyone's shoulders - that I believe he is paralyzing the entire organization. Maybe we are both wrong about it, but I doubt it. While it would be fun to own the Falcons, I don't believe most other owners just hang out at team headquarters everyday like Blank does. Many NFL owners still have there main corporations, etc. and they run those day-to-day - or are retired and are content to sit in the owner's box and visit from time-to-time. Not Artie boy - he retired from his fortune business when he cashed out and made Falcons his full-time hobby.....of course it is his right to do so, I just don't believe it helpful to the day-to-day operations. I believe the less time Arthur Blank spends in Flowery Branch, the better - maybe the new fiancee' will get him out of there once they get married.

We all like Arthur because he is an owner that cares - unlike Liberty Media(Braves) for example. However, if the "owner that cares" is also very meddlesome - the advantage of a passionate owner is somewhat eliminated.