gradybaby33 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Releasing Joe Hawley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 A bad move yes, but there is no one single move that cost us the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I agree 100 percent . Was thinking this all weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talen Kylon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I've definitely learned to appreciate good center play. It seems like we were one of the few (if any) teams really struggling at the center position. It's hard to win when you can't even snap the ball, no doubt. I hope we resolve this issue in the offseason and never have to speak on it again. Center seems like a position where you'd prefer a veteran over a rookie, if that's true are there any centers in FA that we should absolutely be targeting? How do you guys think Gradkowski did? I watched the game and didn't see any errant snaps from him that I remember. Edited January 4, 2016 by Talen Kylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Maybe one extra win if Hawley was still here (still no playoffs). Gadkowski played pretty well today, they should've made the move for him to start earlier instead of Stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domed Outter Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Maybe one extra win if Hawley was still here (still no playoffs). Gadkowski played pretty well today, they should've made the move for him to start earlier instead of Stone.I guess the 2 consecutive games where Person didn't botch the snap put the blinkers on the coaching staff. Forget about him not being able to block particularly well, and cherish those couple of games without turning it over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I guess the 2 consecutive games where Person didn't botch the snap put the blinkers on the coaching staff. Forget about him not being able to block particularly well, and cherish those couple of games without turning it over.He botched a lot of snaps in the Eagles and Giants games, Matt just caught them. He almost hit Matt in the facemask a few times in the Philly game, then rolled a few on the ground. Matt was practically doing yoga to catch some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Deciding to completely overhaul the offense ( it just needed some tweaks) was the most glaring reason our season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domed Outter Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 He botched a lot of snaps in the Eagles and Giants games, Matt just caught them. He almost hit Matt in the facemask a few times in the Philly game, then rolled a few on the ground. Matt was practically doing yoga to catch some. A circus act at centre. We've got enough clowns to have one at such an important position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Releasing Joe Hawley.Bad move, I agree, but MR should have managed it.MR was as bad as the release of JH...so what difference did it make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOYLE Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 We value center play. That is why we drafted old "what's his name"in the 2nd round out Wisconsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Door Gunner Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It was a bad move for sure. Hope they get it fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Sure would have helped when calling line protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Deciding to completely overhaul the offense ( it just needed some tweaks) was the most glaring reason our season is over.Yep.It wasn't broke and they decided to fix it.Now it is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yep.It wasn't broke and they decided to fix it.Now it is broken.Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Exactly!!Falcons scored more points per game with Koetter and went from +5 in turnovers to -7.Oh and Tampa has the #5 offense now.Quinn/Shanahan 0-2 against Lovie/Koetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 YepOur snapping and blocking problems at Center started the Domino effect of killing our offense. CenterKickerLong Snapper3 positions you cannot **** with, these positions always need to be handled by experienced consistent vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 The idea that one move cost this team the season is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Bad move, I agree, but MR should have managed it.MR was as bad as the release of JH...so what difference did it make?Matt managed it as much as he could.When your center rolls the ball like he is trying to hit a 7-10 split there is literally nothing the QB can do about that.While there is never 1 single reason for things, the release of Hawley did have a domino effect.Not only did bad snaps happen, they threw off timing... even when they were snaps that were caught. and the WCO ( and most offenses for that matter) is all about timing.When the snap is not ideal that is like your receivers getting jammed at the LOS on a timing route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@ck Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 You know what I've been thinking? its been said Quinn chose Kyle because his offense was the hardest to gameplan for when he was the opposition.. Seems funny to me that, we used to OWN Seattle and the LOB every time we played, with the Offense we previously had. Wasn't Quinn there when we beat Seattle in the playoffs? Seems like our game plan of ripping the seams with the TE and challenging their guys deep was harder to plan for than this offense we are running now. I wonder why he felt change was needed? Koetter knew exactly what do do to beat us, they beat us twice LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 vel, myself and others tried to tell some folks but... (yeah, I know, I'm not one for I told ya so's but this one had to be done).That said, I thought Gradkowski looked very good yesterday. Don't know if I want to pin the future on one game but I would like to see him brought back to compete for the job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Maybe one extra win if Hawley was still here (still no playoffs). Gadkowski played pretty well today, they should've made the move for him to start earlier instead of Stone.Bad play at center cost us at least 3 games and was the root cause of our offense falling apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 vel, myself and others tried to tell some folks but... (yeah, I know, I'm not one for I told ya so's but this one had to be done).That said, I thought Gradkowski looked very good yesterday. Don't know if I want to pin the future on one game but I would like to see him brought back to compete for the job...Yeah, the question is whether they move on from Person entirely or just let him compete for a G job. Ideally, I'd like to see them bring in at least 1 starter-quality C and 1 starter-quality G, and then draft at least one interior lineman as well. While the offensive line was crappy this season, if we simply use the starters this year to build depth this could work out long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Matt managed it as much as he could.When your center rolls the ball like he is trying to hit a 7-10 split there is literally nothing the QB can do about that.While there is never 1 single reason for things, the release of Hawley did have a domino effect.Not only did bad snaps happen, they threw off timing... even when they were snaps that were caught. and the WCO ( and most offenses for that matter) is all about timing.When the snap is not ideal that is like your receivers getting jammed at the LOS on a timing route.Red Zone says otherwise. MR didn't manage ish this year...this is why one single move didn't cost us this year.Our 8 year vet...got figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Bad play at center cost us at least 3 games and was the root cause of our offense falling apart.Not true. It was Shanahan -- he kept calling that "Brown right, X-stick, Z-in fumble" play over and over and over….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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