Question....if Shanahan Wasn't His Last Name, Would He Be In The Nfl?

[Club212]

I wish there was a Matt Ryan progress chart since he's been in the NFL & see what Shanahan has done not only to him, but the other teams he Coached...PS: Who was open on that last interception? Calling for an over the middle play to a stopped RB? Just asking for trouble.

[E. T.]

Last I checked, Shanahan is not wearing #2. When will some of you guys start holding Matt accountable for his part.

[va2gafalcons]

To answer the thread title question. Probably not. But being that he was raised by Mike gives him the added advantage in reputation and knowledge as well.

[The Falcon Jedi Knight]

Shanahan doesnt throw INTs, or fumble the ball. His play-book is reportedly way complex, and i do think he needs to adjust it. His history isnt exactly sterling. However, he did make a star out of Devonta Freeman, and maybe helped put Julio in the Hall of Fame one day.

We just have mostly crummy players. A lot of the mistakes were his play-calling, but just as many were from the players playing like morons

[ManInBlack]

Devonta Freeman made a star out of himself. That wasn't Shanahan. He would be good anywhere.

[jlrfalcon]

Last I checked, Shanahan is not wearing #2. When will some of you guys start holding Matt accountable for his part.

When I am not able to look at multiple prior years where Matt was very accurate and ran an offense that easily scored 30+ points/game but now seems to struggle to get to 20.

When I am not able to look at multiple prior years where an OC named Shanahan was present when other QB's went downhill and when the offenses were not scoring machines.

Shanahan's Offense:

Long drives of multiple plays and minutes that wear out an offense more than the defense

The plays are never large-yardage plays but instead numerous short-yardage plays

The offense gains lots of yards between the 20's but never seems to score much

Seems to concentrate on maybe 1 receiver and a tight end and 1 running back

Matt Ryan should be blamed some for his failures this year but you have to consider he was maybe meant to drive a truck-styled offense not this sports car-styled offense that Shanahan has brought.

[The Great American]

Sometimes it's not what you know but WHO you know. Works that way in the real world too.

[THEHEADCOACH]

Devonta Freeman made himself a star. He can run in any offense. Like any good RB, he just needed a chance and decent blocking. At times, our blocking is decent at best, and poor alot. Freeman is a very dynamic back and he is doing it in alot of ways. Running hard,great vision, very shifty, can run through arm tackles, good receiver,great at blocking and picking up the blitz. He would have been a star with anyone and maybe have even better stats. Shanny's play calling is pure horrid at times. He does good for a little while, then it turns to trash. He will beat a dead horse to death alot of times.

And no, he wouldn't be in the NFL.

That int wasnt his fault ,nor was it really that bad of a play by matt. Look at the film, the guy was just hiding behind the line and jump the route. Matt just didnt see him. Good play by the defender. It happens! Bad time, but it happens. Matt has struggled in a new offense that really doesn't suite him. That is natural too.

And for the dumb ***** that were throwing matt under the bus for the off target deep throws, he hasnt throw none all freaking year, thanks to shanny and his pathetic oline. What do you expect? They were a little high. I see other Qbs miss them all the time, but you dumb highlight watchers only see the ones they hit. They are not high percentage throws, usually the QB will be a little off,wr drops it, or the defender makes a play. Through his career, matt has hit plenty of them. Now he never gets to throw them much. Hardly could in the past with our minimum wage olines. He would get killed.

Edited January 4, 2016 by THEHEADCOACH

[ManInBlack]

You mean kind of like if McKay wasn't his last name would he be in the NFL??

[Musikron]

No he would not.

[TheUsualStuff]

I wish there was a Matt Ryan progress chart since he's been in the NFL & see what Shanahan has done not only to him, but the other teams he Coached...PS: Who was open on that last interception? Calling for an over the middle play to a stopped RB? Just asking for trouble.

It may have been a bad play call but guess what..... players get covered. It's the QB's job to go through progressions and then throw it away or put the ball in a position where only our guy or no one can catch it if everyone is covered.

I think Shanny has made some pretty bad play calls, but Ryan is the one letting the ball go and deciding who to let it go to. There was nothing to be gained by trying to make that pass. Even if he had caught it there was not much more going to happen other than running some more clock off.

The only redeeming thing you can say about Ryan's big mistakes this year is that maybe he is just trying too hard to make something happen when nothing is there, but that was neither the time or place. He could have got rid of the ball and lived to play another down.

[lod01]

No. He'd be coaching High School football at best. Probably more likely a janitor at a high school.

[Andras]

Absolutely not. He also wouldn't have the train of defenders behind him either.

[*Old Pappy Falcon*]

Nope! Elway couldn't win the Super Bowl to save his life back then. He finally got a great back in Davis and won two at the end of his career.

[middlegatv]

You mean kind of like if McKay wasn't his last name would he be in the NFL??

Well played, sir ... and probably not in both cases.

[B_Lo_Touchdowns]

No

[cyofish]

To answer the thread title question. Probably not. But being that he was raised by Mike gives him the added advantage in reputation and knowledge as well.

He was raised by Mike? Coaches work 16- 18 hour days, when does he have time to raise kids?. Kyle was raised by Mrs. Shanahan.

[cyofish]

Maybe we should ask Brian Schottenhimer...

[Club212]

He was raised by Mike? Coaches work 16- 18 hour days, when does he have time to raise kids?. Kyle was raised by Mrs. Shanahan.

Agreed!...McKay had success in Tampa, I'll give him that much, the NFL also respects him....Kyle never saw success! Shula's kid is in this league how many years & is finaly getting it? What was our excuse with Sam Baker too?

[sdogg]

When I am not able to look at multiple prior years where Matt was very accurate and ran an offense that easily scored 30+ points/game but now seems to struggle to get to 20.

When I am not able to look at multiple prior years where an OC named Shanahan was present when other QB's went downhill and when the offenses were not scoring machines.

Shanahan's Offense:

Long drives of multiple plays and minutes that wear out an offense more than the defense

The plays are never large-yardage plays but instead numerous short-yardage plays

The offense gains lots of yards between the 20's but never seems to score much

Seems to concentrate on maybe 1 receiver and a tight end and 1 running back

Matt Ryan should be blamed some for his failures this year but you have to consider he was maybe meant to drive a truck-styled offense not this sports car-styled offense that Shanahan has brought.

This ^^

[newgafatboy]

Ryan and Shanahan go together like oil and water..... come to think of it name any QB that has played well in his system. the thing i really dislike about Shanahan is his stubborn arrogance. Matt is much more effective when he runs a no huddle offense and Shanahan was too freaking stubborn to utilize it

[va2gafalcons]

He was raised by Mike? Coaches work 16- 18 hour days, when does he have time to raise kids?. Kyle was raised by Mrs. Shanahan.

So kyle never saw his dad? Never been to a game, been on the sidelines at practice? Never talked football with his dad? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Working 18 hour days doesn't stop you from being a father. If it does, then you were never a good one to start with. I wonder how kyle's offense is so similar to his father's? Oh that's right because it is basically the same system with his own touch on it.

[Mr. Lubba Lubba©]

No... unless you're a super genius at X's and O's and getting the most out of players at multiple levels, it's hard to reach the level Kyle finds himself in at that age. Even with his current skillset, it'd still be rare to be in his position at such a young age. He went straight to the NFL and now since he has that experience under his belt, he's in the mix. But without the name and connections of his dad, he'd still be in college.

Whether this is a detriment or not, I don't know. I don't think college experience is necessary for learning more-so than it is building the network which he already had in place.

[Duff_Man]

So kyle never saw his dad? Never been to a game, been on the sidelines at practice? Never talked football with his dad? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Working 18 hour days doesn't stop you from being a father. If it does, then you were never a good one to start with. I wonder how kyle's offense is so similar to his father's? Oh that's right because it is basically the same system with his own touch on it.

I mean this is the same Mike Shanahan that had Elvis Grbac throw a football at Al Davis' head. It's not a crazy thought that he might not have been the best parent.

[Striker42]

Ryan and Shanahan go together like oil and water..... come to think of it name any QB that has played well in his system. the thing i really dislike about Shanahan is his stubborn arrogance. Matt is much more effective when he runs a no huddle offense and Shanahan was too freaking stubborn to utilize it

This is spot on. For some reason, the majority of coaches at any level are so in love with their own systems that they refuse to change what they do to fit their talent. Shanahan is one of the biggest offenders of this. His refusal to run the no huddle was baffling. The only explanation is that Shanahan simply doesn't emphasize that in his system and refuses to change things up to fit Ryan's strengths.

All season long it was like watching the square peg Ryan trying to be crammed into the round hole of the Shanahan offense.