brown bomber Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 San Diego: Everything having to do with the Chargers feels like its in a state of flux given the potential relocation of the franchise to Los Angeles next year, but reading the tea leaves, head coach Mike McCoy seems like a long shot to make the short trip north on I-5 if the organization moves.McCoys team fell apart due to injuries and ineffectiveness this season, and to say that the head coach became unpopular with Chargers fans and the media is an understatement. McCoy is entering the final season of his four-year contract with San Diego, so the team is faced with the decision to either extend him or fire him, and its a difficult case to make that he deserves an extension with the Chargers having lost 13 of their past 18 games under McCoy after last seasons hopeful 84 start.Sundays home finale win against Miami might have helped McCoys case a little, and you can never underestimate the financial element that might be involved, meaning the teams ownership might not want to spend big money on a new coaching staff in the midst of a relocation. Then again, as one league source said: If they move to L.A., theyre going to want to start with a bigger-name coach. In L.A., theyre not the only game in town any more like in San Diego. They would need a bigger presence to make an impact.But who is that bigger name and would the Chargers be able to land him as part of their relocation to the bigger market? Like everything else with this team, the unanswered questions abound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown bomber Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/12/22/nfl-coaches-black-monday-sean-payton-josh-mcdaniels-tom-coughlinLink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown bomber Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Atlanta: My sense is that embattled Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff will return in his same job next year, thanks in part to first-season head coach Dan Quinn coming out with a strong statement of support for him. But not everybody I talked to for this Black Monday preview shared that optimism, with one source saying itll be a miracle if Dimitroff survives Atlantas second-half unraveling after the teams 50 start. Miracles do happen, even in the NFL, and I think Dimitroff is safe.From the same article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'd take him as our new OC if we can Shanahan, which I don't necessarily think will happen. McCoy got Phillip Rivers career back on track. Check out Rivers 2 years before McCoy and then check out what he's done since.2-Years Before - 32 G, 704/1,109 (63.5%), 8,230 YDS (7.4), 53 TD, 35 INT, 88.7 QB Rating3-Years Since - 46 G, 1,142/1,691 (67.5%), 13,051 YDS (7.7), 89 TD, 41 INT, 98.0 QB RatingThat is a massive difference!! Let's also not forget him being the Broncos OC before and the numbers they put up with Peyton in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Shanahan wants a hc position.. come and get him San Diego! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Shanahan wants a hc position.. come and get him San Diego!Yes! Let's go through yet another OC!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I'd take him as our new OC if we can Shanahan, which I don't necessarily think will happen. McCoy got Phillip Rivers career back on track. Check out Rivers 2 years before McCoy and then check out what he's done since.2-Years Before - 32 G, 704/1,109 (63.5%), 8,230 YDS (7.4), 53 TD, 35 INT, 88.7 QB Rating3-Years Since - 46 G, 1,142/1,691 (67.5%), 13,051 YDS (7.7), 89 TD, 41 INT, 98.0 QB RatingThat is a massive difference!! Let's also not forget him being the Broncos OC before and the numbers they put up with Peyton in 2012.What did rivers do year one of McCoy versus year two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Why would TD get blamed for the 6 game losing streak? That's baffling to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Why would TD get blamed for the 6 game losing streak? That's baffling to me...You didn't see TD out there turning the ball over in the redzone a league high amount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Shanahan wants a hc position.. come and get him San Diego!I would make that trade straight up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) What did rivers do year one of McCoy versus year two?2011 -366/582 (62.9%), 4624 YDS (7.9), 27 TD, 20 INT, 88.7 QB Rating2012 - 338/527 (64.1%), 3606 YDS (6.8), 26 TD, 15 INT, 88.6 QB Rating2013 - 378/544 (69.5%), 4478 YDS (8.2), 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating2014 - 379/570 (66.5%), 4286 YDS (7.5), 31 TD, 18 INT, 93.8 QB Rating2015 - 385/577 (66.7%), 4287 YDS (7.4), 26 TD, 12 INT, 95.0 QB RatingRivers is definitely not the reason for the Chargers losing. He's doing his job. Edited December 23, 2015 by Falconsfan567™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 2011 -366/582 (62.9%), 4624 YDS (7.9), 27 TD, 20 INT, 88.7 QB Rating2012 - 338/527 (64.1%), 3606 YDS (6.8), 26 TD, 15 INT, 88.6 QB Rating2013 - 378/544 (69.5%), 4478 YDS (8.2), 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating2014 - 379/570 (66.5%), 4286 YDS (7.5), 31 TD, 18 INT, 93.8 QB Rating2015 - 385/577 (66.7%), 4287 YDS (7.4), 26 TD, 12 INT, 95.0 QB RatingRivers is definitely not the reason for the Chargers losing. He's doing his job.I just wanted to see his year one stats versus year two to see if there was a marked improvement in his 2nd year in a new system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I just wanted to see his year one stats versus year two to see if there was a marked improvement in his 2nd year in a new systemWell then you need to look at Ben Roethlisberger to see what a difference year 2 in a new system can do. You can also look at Eli Manning to see what an OC change can do for a player's career. His case is even more drastic than Rivers.ELI MANNING2013 - Kevin Gilbride - 317/551 (57.5%), 3818 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 27 INT, 69.4 QB Rating2014 - Ben McAdoo - 379/601 (63.1%), 4410 YDS (7.3), 30 TD, 14 INT, 92.1 QB Rating2015 - Ben McAdoo - 348/546 (63.7%), 3900 YDS (7.1), 32 TD, 11 INT, 96.1 QB RatingBEN ROETHLISBERGER2012 - Todd Haley - 284/449 (63.3%), 3265 YDS (7.3), 26 TD, 8 INT - 97.0 QB Rating2013 - Todd Haley - 375/584 (64.2%), 4261 YDS (7.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.0 QB Rating2014 - Todd Haley - 408/608 (67.1%), 4952 YDS (8.1), 32 TD, 9 INT - 103.3 QB Rating2015 - Todd Haley - 271/399 (67.9%), 3369 YDS (8.4), 18 TD, 12 INT - 96.4 QB RatingThere was widely reported tension between Big Ben and Haley that first year or two but then once they got on the same page Big Ben has exploded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 There was widely reported tension between Big Ben and Haley that first year or two but then once they got on the same page Big Ben has exploded.that's the only thing giving me pause with Shanahanigans but Haley also compromised a bit and met Ben half way Shanny has to be willing and able to do that if there is gonna be continued success here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 You didn't see TD out there turning the ball over in the redzone a league high amount?Sure, some of its on players. But where ever Shanahan has been, except for 2010 and 2012, his offenses were in top 3-5 for most red zone turnovers. His Redzone success rate is forgettable in almost all the years may be except for one or two years. That story repeats again here with falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sure, some of its on players. But where ever Shanahan has been, except for 2010 and 2012, his offenses were in top 3-5 for most red zone turnovers. His Redzone success rate is forgettable in almost all the years may be except for one or two years. That story repeats again here with falcons. Where do you find such stats? I want to see it for myself. Because watching the Falcons this year I can't blame Shanahan for the Falcons red zone turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sure, some of its on players. But where ever Shanahan has been, except for 2010 and 2012, his offenses were in top 3-5 for most red zone turnovers. His Redzone success rate is forgettable in almost all the years may be except for one or two years. That story repeats again here with falcons. Shanny has been on nothing but losing franchises. He's never had any time to get players that will fit his system? Why? Because losing franchises think it's a good idea to go thru coaching staffs every other year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Shanny has been on nothing but losing franchises. He's never had any time to get players that will fit his system? Why? Because losing franchises think it's a good idea to go thru coaching staffs every other year.At some point the players have to held accountable. I see fumbles, missed blocking assignments, bone head interceptions, stupid penalties, etc. None of that is Shanahan's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBXFalcon Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 At some point the players have to held accountable. I see fumbles, missed blocking assignments, bone head interceptions, stupid penalties, etc. None of that is Shanahan's fault.True but we didn't see any of that (at least no where near the level we have this year) from Ryan until Shanahan got here. He didn't become a bad QB overnight. Ryan has changed coordinators a couple times now and there hasn't been a significant regression in his play until now. Ryan was putting up good numbers and playing good football in spite of the terrible O-line and injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast-N-Da-Sheetz Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Nothing against McCoy, but if he can't do nothing with Rivers, what the heII is he going to do with Ryan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 At some point the players have to held accountable. I see fumbles, missed blocking assignments, bone head interceptions, stupid penalties, etc. None of that is Shanahan's fault.Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 True but we didn't see any of that (at least no where near the level we have this year) from Ryan until Shanahan got here. He didn't become a bad QB overnight. Ryan has changed coordinators a couple times now and there hasn't been a significant regression in his play until now. Ryan was putting up good numbers and playing good football in spite of the terrible O-line and injuries.Ryan is probably just having a bad year. It happens. Eli Manning was with Kevin Gilbride for years and then all of a sudden had that 18 TD, 27 INT year in 2013. Did Gilbride all of a sudden turn into a terrible OC? Did Manning all of a sudden turn into a terrible QB? No and No. It was just a bad year. Professional athletes can have off years just like normal people can have bad days at work in their field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Nothing against McCoy, but if he can't do nothing with Rivers, what the heII is he going to do with Ryan?Did you miss this post? Philip Rivers isn't the reason the Chargers aren't winning. Rivers is throwing up great numbers.2011 -366/582 (62.9%), 4624 YDS (7.9), 27 TD, 20 INT, 88.7 QB Rating2012 - 338/527 (64.1%), 3606 YDS (6.8), 26 TD, 15 INT, 88.6 QB Rating2013 - 378/544 (69.5%), 4478 YDS (8.2), 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating2014 - 379/570 (66.5%), 4286 YDS (7.5), 31 TD, 18 INT, 93.8 QB Rating2015 - 385/577 (66.7%), 4287 YDS (7.4), 26 TD, 12 INT, 95.0 QB RatingRivers is definitely not the reason for the Chargers losing. He's doing his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast-N-Da-Sheetz Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Did you miss this post? Philip Rivers isn't the reason the Chargers aren't winning. Rivers is throwing up great numbers.Umm... That was kinda my point. The Chargers are losing despite Rivers putting up great numbers, in which he's also a better Qb than Ryan.Which brings me back to my original question. "What the heII is he going to do with Ryan?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrews31cain21 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 If the Chargers were smart, they would hire Josh McDaniel as next HC so he can get the very best out of Rivers in the last few years of his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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