Faithful Falcon Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Nobody has really pointed to this issue. I think that this may be the biggest issue for us on offense. The offensive line played well last season. It was not the best, but they showed some improvement. I know that we have some players that were not here previously, but they played better with the respected teams as well. This ZBS is confusing them, and Matt Ryan is probably feeling hated. Matt has had his issues in terms of throwing the ball, but his decision making confuses the **** out of me. That was one of his strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaFalconFan Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Maybe I'm wrong, but I have felt for a while now that using this ZBS it leaves too many holes for the defense to walk through and get to Matt Ryan when he's in an obvious passing situation. Especially when he goes into the shotgun and there isn't a single RB in the backfield, he's like a sitting duck back there by himself. Seems like when he goes into the shotgun that he can't even get the ball snapped to him before somebody is in his face for the sack. I think that's why Matt Ryan has had so many problems this year, he has no time hardly to even get the ball before the defense is in his face, I think he's just been trying to make something happen for the short time he has. The thing I wonder is considering how little time he has had to do anything is if it's going to make him gun shy moving forward even if the Offensive line blocking scheme changes or gives him more time protecting him. Everybody knew going into this season that more than likely there would be a few bumps in the road for the Falcons with a new coach, new coordinators and all that. But what really gets me the most is everybody knew the defensive lines and offensive lines needed some improvement, how did they approach it? By adding a new scheme instead of replacing players that needed replacing, to me that just spells disaster, taking players who were having trouble already protecting Matt Ryan and then asking them to do more. I just don't see the logic of signing a QB to a 100 million dollar contract and not making protecting him by securing a top notch offensive line as priority number one. Just my opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 When the defense makes a presnap read knowing where the ball is going and the offense doesn't adjust or audible the defense becomes nearly impossible to block regardless of the scheme. ZBS has won championships. Kyle Shanahan has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Kyle has messed with Matt's mechanics. That is why he looks as bad as he has. He did it to Donavan, RG3, Brian Hoyer, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Nobody has really pointed to this issue. I think that this may be the biggest issue for us on offense. The offensive line played well last season. It was not the best, but they showed some improvement. I know that we have some players that were not here previously, but they played better with the respected teams as well. This ZBS is confusing them, and Matt Ryan is probably feeling hated. Matt has had his issues in terms of throwing the ball, but his decision making confuses the **** out of me. That was one of his strengths.The offensive line did not play well last season...they were awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The offensive line did not play well last season...they were awful.Injuries....Starting LT lost in preseason.Lost both starting center and backup Starting RT was switched to LT then we lost the backup RTThe back LG was in there for a bit.The oline was so bad last year because injuries wiped it out. 4 guys on IR.This year they've been healthy but have just sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's an antiquated scheme that won't stand up to a season of the kind of athletes the league has now. So much of it is so slow to develop that it would take Houdini at QB to escape long enough to make plays. Quinn will never see the field as our HC at MBS if he doesn't ditch Shanahan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Injuries....Starting LT lost in preseason.Lost both starting center and backup Starting RT was switched to LT then we lost the backup RTThe back LG was in there for a bit.The oline was so bad last year because injuries wiped it out. 4 guys on IR.This year they've been healthy but have just sucked.They were very beat up, but point was they were still at least as bas as this year. Pass blocking was equally crappy, but run blocking was much worse on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller2Rison Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The ZBS is great for our backs, we had a ZBS back in the Dunn days but this is the biggest issue, the ZBS mixed with the WCO is really designed for speed, big runs,yacs, and really needs a mobile QB. It worked great in 2004 when we had an all pro RB, a change of pace back, a pro bowl TE, and a QB with 4.2 speed. This scheme could still be ok today I we actually ran the **** ball. Idk wtf u call that offense we have on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge_birds_fan Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The ZBS is great for our backs, we had a ZBS back in the Dunn days but this is the biggest issue, the ZBS mixed with the WCO is really designed for speed, big runs,yacs, and really needs a mobile QB. It worked great in 2004 when we had an all pro RB, a change of pace back, a pro bowl TE, and a QB with 4.2 speed. This scheme could still be ok today I we actually ran the **** ball. Idk wtf u call that offense we have on the field.This^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Kyle has messed with Matt's mechanics. That is why he looks as bad as he has. He did it to Donavan, RG3, Brian Hoyer, etc...the real right answer. it's amazing how people think that Matt went from being one of the most accurate QBs in the league to all of sudden sucking for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 The ZBS is great for our backs, we had a ZBS back in the Dunn days but this is the biggest issue, the ZBS mixed with the WCO is really designed for speed, big runs,yacs, and really needs a mobile QB. It worked great in 2004 when we had an all pro RB, a change of pace back, a pro bowl TE, and a QB with 4.2 speed. This scheme could still be ok today I we actually ran the **** ball. Idk wtf u call that offense we have on the field.If you remember my friend, when we first went to the ZBS. We were terrible. The entire OL lost weight, and got into shape for it. Most of those guys were cut in the offseason. Chris Chandler performed okay under it. It's not about a fast and extremely mobile QB. It's about the line knowing how to do it. These guys look completely lost. That part is a problem, but it's normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller2Rison Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 If you remember my friend, when we first went to the ZBS. We were terrible. The entire OL lost weight, and got into shape for it. Most of those guys were cut in the offseason. Chris Chandler performed okay under it. It's not about a fast and extremely mobile QB. It's about the line knowing how to do it. These guys look completely lost. That part is a problem, but it's normal. I don't think Shanny knows how to coach it honestly, I mean the ZBS biggest benefit is the run game but we don't run the ball, although we have a top rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBXFalcon Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I'm not an NFL coach or expert so I don't fully understand all that goes into play in the different offensive schemes in the NFL; but I think our franchise quarterback is best suited to a scheme where he has excellent pass protection and has time to survey the field and find the open receiver. Our offense was at its best when we had a power back (Turner) and a good pass protecting O-line (2012). It does seem the ZBS allows Ryan less time before pressure is in his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothan_birdman Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 IMHO, its that weakness does not allow for easy adjustment to pick up help and is not creating a true pocket of any kind anywhere. The edge rushers are i the backfield as well as the A gap rushers. Literally no real pass protection and forcing a quick release mindset no mater what. And that isnt MR2's strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm not an NFL coach or expert so I don't fully understand all that goes into play in the different offensive schemes in the NFL; but I think our franchise quarterback is best suited to a scheme where he has excellent pass protection and has time to survey the field and find the open receiver. Our offense was at its best when we had a power back (Turner) and a good pass protecting O-line (2012). It does seem the ZBS allows Ryan less time before pressure is in his face.You're right. The problem is that it kills your entire offensive scheme. Of course when we had Vick, we ran the ball 70% of the time. Vick was a threat, Dunn was a threat, Duckett was a threat, and Griffith was a beast blocking. This only works on bootlegs, but defenses seem to know this, and are well at reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird backer Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Agreed - I saw a couple of times today where MR rolled out and had a defender in his face immediately.... ZBS lineman can't hold blocks because they are too small as their desired traits are to be quick and mobile for the run game blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Kyle has messed with Matt's mechanics. That is why he looks as bad as he has. He did it to Donavan, RG3, Brian Hoyer, etc...You mean the RG3 that won ROY under KS and now can't make the active roster? You mean the Brian Hoyer that looked like a competent QB in Cleveland of all places? Donovan McNabb was washed up and Philly traded to a division rival?That's a weak argument in all honesty. Has nothing to do with anyone messing with anyone's mechanics. It has everything to do with the 3 knuckleheads that form the middle of our o-line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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