Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

ket222

What Could We Get For Ryan? Would Anyone Trade?

63 posts in this topic

We could easily get a 1st +. But it would be the stupidest thing to do. Look how loaded the Rams are/have been over the last few years and they are stuck in mediocrity because they can't find a QB. Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired simple as that. Ryan isn't as bad as he's playing this year.

But is he good enough to win a championship. That's the question that needs to be answered.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, what suggests he isn't? That he hasn't won one yet?

That and if you look at where this team is and what is known to help him succeed we're far away from that. And if you take all that into consideration plus the years left on his contract and Artie's patience with this rebuild its not looking good for Ryan.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That and if you look at where this team is and what is known to help him succeed we're far away from that. And if you take all that into consideration plus the years left on his contract and Artie's patience with this rebuild its not looking good for Ryan.

?

The Panthers were below .500 last year. Then, they lost a number of contributors, lost their WR1 to injury and are currently sitting undefeated.

In the NFL, you're almost never "far away from that."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

you would not want to trade Matt Ryan now - if you know anything about trading you know you don't sell an asset at its absolute bottom - and the Matt Ryan stock is as low as it has been in 8 years.

Wait it out and keep him or trade him but don't trade him now. Besides, if we trade him, we might be 4-12 for the next 8 seasons - ask Cleveland how easy it is to win with no QB whatsoever.

Hey g-dawg, looks like we are headed in that direction with him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey g-dawg, looks like we are headed in that direction with him.

Well no argument there and Matt sucks right now but with better OL and 2nd WR, Matt can get it done. Without a decent QB, you can have a good team and still have a very bad season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shanahan is the problem. Quinn too for letting it happen. Players are supposed to be put in positions to succeed. Shanahan is stubborn. The three throws to Roddy on the first drive after everyone complained showed us that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

?

The Panthers were below .500 last year. Then, they lost a number of contributors, lost their WR1 to injury and are currently sitting undefeated.

In the NFL, you're almost never "far away from that."

Let's not act like they weren't dominate the season prior. We haven't been relevant since 2012. And even then we weren't good enough to win anything of significance. So with that in mind I say we build ourselves an identity and if Matt can succeed in this and prove himself over the next season or 2 then by all means resign him one more time, but if we continue to screw around at 9-7 or less then it's time to move on from him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The answer to the OP question is Ryan is likely worth two firsts +. The Palmer trade is a case in point. He had two mediocre years to close out his Cincy tenure (which was rather mediocre overall) and garnered a first and second. He was traded two years later after mediocre years in Oakland for another first. Cutler got Denver 2 firsts, a third, and Orton. Alex Smith netted 2 2nd round picks even after he'd been replaced by Kap.

The list goes on, but more significantly none of these guys were more accomplished than Ryan who is now fully in his prime. That's just the value of QB's in the trade market.

I can imagine the Rams, as only one example, would throw a ransom at the Falcons for Ryan. They have desirable picks to go along with a surplus of defensive talent. They only need a QB to get over the top. But why would any team trade a QB like Ryan unless they were ready for a complete rebuild? That's not the Falcons, and it would be foolish to trade him. Guys like Ryan are very hard to find.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Branch Rickey once told Ralph Kiner when he wanted to renegotiate his contract the following ‘We finished in last place with you…we can finish in last place without you’. He was traded. There are six (6) teams in the NFL with worse records than the Falcons (16-29) since 2013.

TEN: 12-33

JAX: 12-33

TB: 12-33

WAS: 13-32

OAK: 13-32

CLE: 14-31

The idea that Ryan should be considered off the table in any effort to improve the standing of the Falcons is ridiculous. The teams above have hemoraged at the QB position and did something about it, or at least tried. In that regard, they are ahead of the Falcons. The Falcons still think Ryan is a foundational building block. That's why we're doomed for the foreseeable future unless we work out a way to unload him.

As for compensation though...I honestly wouldn't have the first clue. HOU absolutely makes sense as a team that seems to have enough pieces in place to overpay for competency and perhaps upside at the position. And I think HOU would be good for Ryan too...he wouldn't be asked to be the franchise centerpiece and emotional/upfront leader. Problem is that HOU could just as easily decide to go the Teddy Bridgewater type route.

Several teams in the NFL would be super bowl contenders with a guy like Ryan under center. NYJ, STL, MIA, BUF, HOU, KC, DEN. Those 7 rosters minus the QB's are stacked in talent on both sides of the ball. Some of the talent is elite enough to OVERCOME the actual QB flaws. Ryan's problem is his roster is pretty deprived of talent. When it was talented, he was pretty good and so was the team. Ryan is NOT Rodgers or Luck who can elevate the team or get a mediocre squad to the playoffs. But, Ryan CAN win the super bowl if the team is correctly built around him. Getting rid of Ryan isn't going to help the team move forward faster. Building a team around Ryan and utilizing the best of his abilities is the smart thing to do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites