Rise Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 TD and Pioli would have hired....Josh McDaniels....but Falcons staffers based their decision on fan response to the name..Ryan needed McDaniels to maximize his talent...Beasley would have been an OLB in the Patriots 3-4 scheme...Sometimes you need an Offensive Head Coach to solve the nemesis of THe Panthers....and The Saints were better agianst The Panthers than THe Falcons with Sean Payton, and THe worst defense in The NFL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 "Fast and Physical with Dan Quinn"He will be the coach for 2 more season at least... He has turned the defense around..Now the offense is gone... Falcon HIstory.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG2008 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 But we are soFAST & PHYSICAL !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Fan Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Quinn is learning as an HC, and I have faith in his ability to make the defense elite. But part of being a new HC is recognizing your mistakes and swallowing your pride. The Shanahan hire is not a good fit with Ryan. Quinn will earn my respect if he owns up to this and moves on to another OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Its a tough call in season but Shanny should have been gone 3 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanfranfalcon Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 no one criticizes their boss and hold onto their job...thats crazynot true. if your boss wants to win/produce and you hold some answers/constructive criticisms then they actually will thank you...of course provided they are not all ego...and i have no idea how the egos stretch out in the FO of the Falcons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Dude it's year 1, I think you are seriously, seriously getting way ahead of yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ7000 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Quinn has the gift of GAB... and it has worn off quick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Caldwell for OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Quinn is learning as an HC, and I have faith in his ability to make the defense elite. But part of being a new HC is recognizing your mistakes and swallowing your pride. The Shanahan hire is not a good fit with Ryan. Quinn will earn my respect if he owns up to this and moves on to another OC.This ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Coaching isn't saving this team. Talent will. Better talent will maximize the scheme, coaching, etc. There was a talent difference between Carolina and Atlanta and it showed today.I saw Wheeler.... a linebacker try to cover Ginn...... a WRA linebacker covering a wrThat is not talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyofish Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Remember our coaching search when Dan Quinn was supposed to be the savior according to a lot of pundits and posters?There was another guy in the hunt by the name of Teryl Austin who was getting consideration. The Detroit Lions DC interviewed here and got into a bit of a tift with Scott Pioli when he was asked about his tenure in the league and choice of OC. It was at that point he truly sealed his fate of not being hired because he showed that he wasnt going to fall in line with the good ol' boy system in place.Quinn, who already attatched his name with the awesome Kyle Shanahan, fell in line with what Blank, TD and Pioli wanted...a pawn.While in Detroit, Austin has done more with less as a DC and has been nowhere near as fortunate to have the overall level of talent that Dan Quinn had while in Seattle. It was a key reason I wanted him, knowing that the talent on our roster was hideous. But the rift with Pioli is what excited me more. It showed that Austin was going to be a HC that was more about instilling an attitude that would run from the top down.So what has Austin done? Here's an excerpt from an article written not too many hours ago:http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/12/ask_kyle_detroit_lions_21.htmlI'm going to be honest. I love saying I told you so. I said Quinn would be a flop and that Shanahan was hot garbage. Quinn was aided with having great talent in his system. Furthermore, Seattle has a better scouting system and GM as evidenced by taking guys like Tyler Lockett (who i begged for) and finding a Thomas Rawls as a udfa. Now we're atuck with a penalty filled team made up of a quarterback who doesnt fit the OC's scheme and a defense with talent that has been talentless for all 8 years we've had RyanThe point I want to make really is not to say I told you so, but to point out that this team will never be anything until some top heads roll. Until you change the attitude at the top of management we'll never be anything.Rising tide floats all boats. Falcons, like most teams, fell into the trap of hiring people from top tier organizations. Seattle, New England's success had a lot to do with the HC and personnel. Coordinators like Quinn and Assistants like TD, Pioli benefited from the association. Look at how many people from the Belichick coaching/front office tree went elsewhere and failed. Would Quinn had been successful if he was the DC of the Browns or Jacksonville? I think the key to hiring coaches and front office people is to seek out those guys who were able to get the most out of a tough situation. Mike Smith came from that mold when he was hired away from Jacksonville. Teryl Austin would have been a good gutsy hire. Unfortunately, he was not the yes men Pioli or Dimitroff was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I saw Wheeler.... a linebacker try to cover Ginn...... a WRA linebacker covering a wrThat is not talent.Yep that is a straight up bad coaching issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I saw Wheeler.... a linebacker try to cover Ginn...... a WRA linebacker covering a wrThat is not talent.I saw Thomas Davis... a linebacker... try to cover Julio.... a WRAnd succeeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I saw Thomas Davis... a linebacker... try to cover Julio.... a WRAnd succeeded. Thomas Davis vs Wheeler? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylanta99 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) The Seattle Seahawks was a struggling team until Carroll came, but Carroll went 7-9 his first 2 seasons as head coach and the media questioned his high energy approach. I give Quinn 1 more season, but Shanahan and Dimitroff has to go asap. Not all coaches will come straight in and win, it takes time. Look and ask Carolina's coach about it. Edited December 14, 2015 by Tylanta99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The Seattle Seahawks was a struggling team until Carroll came, but Carroll went 7-9 his first 2 seasons as head coach and the media questioned his high energy approach. I give Quinn one more season, but Shanahan and Dimitroff has to go asap.Pretty much this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Thomas Davis vs Wheeler? Seriously?He didn't say how good of a LB. Neither did you. If you think putting Thomas Davis on Julio is a good coaching move....You agreed that "A linebacker covering a wr" was a poor coaching move, but suddenly it's a difference if it's Davis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 He didn't say how good of a LB. Neither did you. If you think putting Thomas Davis on Julio is a good coaching move....You agreed that "A linebacker covering a wr" was a poor coaching move, but suddenly it's a difference if it's Davis? Whatever makes you feel better about the decision to put Wheeler on Ginn. Thomas Davis>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wheeler. No debating it. But you can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Thomas Davis vs Wheeler? Seriously?Ginn vs Julio?Though neither are ideal matchups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Whatever makes you feel better about the decision to put Wheeler on Ginn. Thomas Davis>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wheeler. No debating it. But you can try.Here's what falconsd56 said:A linebacker covering a wrThat is not talent.You agreed, quoting his post with:Yep that is a straight up bad coaching issue.Yet, I give you an example in the same game of the other team using a linebacker to cover a wide receiver and now it's a matter of talent. Lol I didn't say it! You did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It takes WAY more than one year! ONE YEAR!!!True.We are living in the era of instant gratification or else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Whatever makes you feel better about the decision to put Wheeler on Ginn. Thomas Davis>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wheeler. No debating it. But you can try.Julio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GinnLet's not do the double standard thing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Here's what falconsd56 said:You agreed, quoting his post with:Yet, I give you an example in the same game of the other team using a linebacker to cover a wide receiver and now it's a matter of talent. Lol I didn't say it! You did!Whatever makes you feel better dude. But I think you get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Wheeler covering Ginn... Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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