KRUNKuno Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Remember our coaching search when Dan Quinn was supposed to be the savior according to a lot of pundits and posters?There was another guy in the hunt by the name of Teryl Austin who was getting consideration. The Detroit Lions DC interviewed here and got into a bit of a tift with Scott Pioli when he was asked about his tenure in the league and choice of OC. It was at that point he truly sealed his fate of not being hired because he showed that he wasnt going to fall in line with the good ol' boy system in place.Quinn, who already attatched his name with the awesome Kyle Shanahan, fell in line with what Blank, TD and Pioli wanted...a pawn.While in Detroit, Austin has done more with less as a DC and has been nowhere near as fortunate to have the overall level of talent that Dan Quinn had while in Seattle. It was a key reason I wanted him, knowing that the talent on our roster was hideous. But the rift with Pioli is what excited me more. It showed that Austin was going to be a HC that was more about instilling an attitude that would run from the top down.So what has Austin done? Here's an excerpt from an article written not too many hours ago:Teryl Austin is the star of this staff, there is no doubt. He took over a middling defense last year and immediately turned it into the league's No. 2 outfit. That's the single biggest reason Detroit went 11-5.Then Austin lost his two best players, with Ndamukong Suh bolting in free agency and DeAndre Levy suffering a season-ending hip injury. And all he's done is turn in another impressive coaching job in the second half of this season.Despite losing those guys plus starters Rashean Mathis and Tyrunn Walker to injuries, Detroit is allowing just 17.5 points in the second half of this season. That's after allowing 30.6 points per game in the first half.The run defense has quietly climbed the charts too, stifling opponents for 58.5 yards per game over the past month. That's an even better clip than what Detroit established last year, when it was one of the best ever against the run.This is impressive stuff, once again, from Austin, who continues to prove he's a brilliant defensive mind. So impressive, you have to wonder if this is the year someone gives him a crack at his first head coaching job. He nearly got the Atlanta job last year, and probably will be a hot candidate again next offseason.http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/12/ask_kyle_detroit_lions_21.htmlI'm going to be honest. I love saying I told you so. I said Quinn would be a flop and that Shanahan was hot garbage. Quinn was aided with having great talent in his system. Furthermore, Seattle has a better scouting system and GM as evidenced by taking guys like Tyler Lockett (who i begged for) and finding a Thomas Rawls as a udfa. Now we're atuck with a penalty filled team made up of a quarterback who doesnt fit the OC's scheme and a defense with talent that has been talentless for all 8 years we've had RyanThe point I want to make really is not to say I told you so, but to point out that this team will never be anything until some top heads roll. Until you change the attitude at the top of management we'll never be anything. Edited December 13, 2015 by KRUNKuno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'm paraphrasing, but when he said "we need to get better, but won't do anything different", I knew the season was lost.Great coaches adapt. If that means changing and adapting the scheme, you do what ever it takes to win. He's become Jim Mora without the nifty NFCCG appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 What was that whole thing with Pioli again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He's the gimmicky fun guy personality of Mora mixed with the super soft philosophy of Smitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Child Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Remember our coaching search when Dan Quinn was supposed to be the savior according to a lot of pundits and posters?There was another guy in the hunt by the name of Teryl Austin who was getting consideration. The Detroit Lions DC interviewed here and got into a bit of a tift with Scott Pioli when he was asked about his tenure in the league and choice of OC, Adam Gase. It was at that point he truly sealed his fate of not being hired because he showed that he wasnt going to fall in line with the good ol' boy system in place.Quinn, who already attatched his name with the awesome Kyle Shanahan, fell in line with what Blank, TD and Pioli wanted...a pawn.While in Detroit, Austin has done more with less as a DC. It was a key reason I wanted him, knowing that the talent on our roster was hideous. But the rift with Pioli is what excited me more. It showed that Austin was going to be a HC that was more about instilling an attitude that would run from the top down.So what has Austin done? Here's an excerpt from an article written not too many hours ago:http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/12/ask_kyle_detroit_lions_21.htmlI'm going to be honest. I love saying I told you so. I said Quinn would be a flop and that Shanahan was hot garbage. Quinn was aided with having great talent in his system. Furthermore, Seattle has a better scouting system and GM as evidenced by taking guys like Tyler Lockett (who i begged for) and finding a Thomas Rawls as a udfa. Now we're atuck with a penalty filled team made up of a quarterback who doesnt fit the OC's scheme and a defense with talent that has been talentless for all 8 years we've had RyanThe point I want to make really is not to say I told you so, but to point out that this team will never be anything until some top heads roll. Until you change the attitude at the top of management we'll never be anything.This is a brilliant post. I hope that it doesn't go unnoticed. Quinn is indeed a pawn. There was no way that TD and Pioli were going to hire someone that would challenge them. As long as TD and Pioli are here, were are going to be suffering Falcon fans. These are Belichick coattail riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Remember our coaching search when Dan Quinn was supposed to be the savior according to a lot of pundits and posters?There was another guy in the hunt by the name of Teryl Austin who was getting consideration. The Detroit Lions DC interviewed here and got into a bit of a tift with Scott Pioli when he was asked about his tenure in the league and choice of OC, Adam Gase. It was at that point he truly sealed his fate of not being hired because he showed that he wasnt going to fall in line with the good ol' boy system in place.Quinn, who already attatched his name with the awesome Kyle Shanahan, fell in line with what Blank, TD and Pioli wanted...a pawn.While in Detroit, Austin has done more with less as a DC. It was a key reason I wanted him, knowing that the talent on our roster was hideous. But the rift with Pioli is what excited me more. It showed that Austin was going to be a HC that was more about instilling an attitude that would run from the top down.So what has Austin done? Here's an excerpt from an article written not too many hours ago:http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/12/ask_kyle_detroit_lions_21.htmlI'm going to be honest. I love saying I told you so. I said Quinn would be a flop and that Shanahan was hot garbage. Quinn was aided with having great talent in his system. Furthermore, Seattle has a better scouting system and GM as evidenced by taking guys like Tyler Lockett (who i begged for) and finding a Thomas Rawls as a udfa. Now we're atuck with a penalty filled team made up of a quarterback who doesnt fit the OC's scheme and a defense with talent that has been talentless for all 8 years we've had RyanThe point I want to make really is not to say I told you so, but to point out that this team will never be anything until some top heads roll. Until you change the attitude at the top of management we'll never be anything.Of course!Our GMs want a coach that can be submissive to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 TD didn't hire Quinn. Blank did with the help of his paid search committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was high on austin and still am but i'm not sure i buy the more with less argument when we compare that defense to Atlanta's.They have one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, they lost Suh but got Ngata. They lost Levy but Tulloch came back from injury and he is a tackling machine.I like Tru better than any of their corners but I'll take Quin and Ihedbo over anything the Falcons are working with in the seconday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is a brilliant post. I hope that it doesn't go unnoticed. Quinn is indeed a pawn. There was no way that TD and Pioli were going to hire someone that would challenge them. As long as TD and Pioli are here, were are going to be suffering Falcon fans. These are Belichick coattail riders.TD and Piolli didnt hire Quinn. He doesnt even work for the GM he works for the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfishtom Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Quinn has been exposed.That was a far worse performance than anything Smitty coached.Unworthy of a professional team to be that unprepared and unmotivated.I'm ok with a complete reset of the staff,but it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was high on austin and still am but i'm not sure i buy the more with less argument when we compare that defense to Atlanta's.They have one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, they lost Suh but got Ngata. They lost Levy but Tulloch came back from injury and he is a tackling machine.I like Tru better than any of their corners but I'll take Quin and Ihedbo over anything the Falcons are working with in the seconday.I apologize. I didnt mean more with less compared to Atlanta. I meant to convey that Austin did more with less than with what Quinn had while he was in Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 TD didn't hire Quinn. Blank did with the help of his paid search committee.TD and Pioli certainly had say. If I recall correctly TD and Pioli wanted another good ol' boy, Josh McDaniels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Need to fire the rah rah coach, TD and bring back Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Go check out Ron Rivera's history. Coordinated the #1 defense in San Diego before going to Carolina. Got to Carolina and coordinated the defense to a #28 overall finish, after they were #18 the year before, a ten spot decline. Drafted Luke Kuechly, Josh Norman, Star Lotuleilei, and Kawann Short over the next two seasons. What happened? Quinn has gone through 16 games and seen his offense fall apart. You can say "I told you so about Kyle" but thinking Austin would have done any better with this defense is a bit of a stretch, considering Quinn and Co have done a solid job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Falcons need to go all in for Harbough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Quinn has been exposed.That was a far worse performance than anything Smitty coached.Unworthy of a professional team to be that unprepared and unmotivated.I'm ok with a complete reset of the staff,but it won't happen.34-3 with a playoff spot on the line? Or 24-2 in an actual playoff game? I wouldn't say far worse. Complete reset after one year has worked how many times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 TD and Pioli certainly had say. If I recall correctly TD and Pioli wanted another good ol' boy, Josh McDaniels.They had a say yet didn't get who they wanted? You're reaching here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Quinn has been exposed.That was a far worse performance than anything Smitty coached.Unworthy of a professional team to be that unprepared and unmotivated.I'm ok with a complete reset of the staff,but it won't happen.I actually looked at all the scores since 2008 and we've never been blown out like that. The closest was the Eagles in 2009, but even then we scored a TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfishtom Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 34-3 with a playoff spot on the line? Or 24-2 in an actual playoff game? I wouldn't say far worse. Complete reset after one year has worked how many times? your right those may have been worse because of the playoff implications , but a 38 point shutout......disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 They had a say yet didn't get who they wanted? You're reaching here.Again, IIRC, Josh McDaniels dropped out of the race early to stay with Brady and Bellichik. Otherwise I'm sure they wouldve pushed hard for him. If TD and Quinn had no say they wouldn't have been in the hiring process in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I actually looked at all the scores since 2008 and we've never been blown out like that. The closest was the Eagles in 2009, but even then we scored a TDErr.. You only had to look back at the last time we played the Panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I actually looked at all the scores since 2008 and we've never been blown out like that. The closest was the Eagles in 2009, but even then we scored a TDThe last thing this embarrassing IMO was that game against KC when Mora was around where they ran something like 8 rushing TDs on us.Although the beating we took against GB and the Giants in the playoffs were pretty harsh, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 What was that whole thing with Pioli again?Teryl Austin has reportedly brought a wild card to the table in his second interview with the Atlanta Falcons. According to ESPN, the Lions defensive coordinator has indicated he would bring in Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase to run the Falcons offense.Having an experienced offensive coordinator would significantly strengthen Austin's case for the Falcons job. There was a previous report from Atlanta's 680-AM that Austin had suggested two first-year coordinators during his initial interview with the team, something that irked assistant general manager Scott Pioli.Along with Gase, it is being reported Austin would tab Ravens linebackers coach Ted Monachino as his defensive coordinator. Gase has interviewed for the Falcons, Bills, 49ers and Bears head coaching positions. He, along with Austin, are also in the mix for the Broncos job that opened up when John Fox resigned from the position last week.Gase is still under contract with the Broncos, but he, along with the team's other assistant coaches, have been given permission to seek other offers as the team prepares to transition to a new staff. Defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio has already been hired to be the Oakland Raiders head coach. Austin has also interviewed for multiple head coaching jobs this offseason, but only Atlanta has requested a second interview to this point. He is scheduled to meet with the Broncos for the first time this Friday.The kicker in the Austin-Gase pairing is that Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, the Falcons' reported top candidate, has also reached out to Gase to be his offensive coordinator, according to ESPN. If Atlanta wants to hire Quinn, they'll need to wait until Seattle has been eliminated from the playoffs. That could put the team in a precarious holding pattern until the first week of February.http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/01/report_teryl_austin_strengthen.htmlWhich makes it even more of an indictment on Quinn for not following through with Gase and sticking with Shanahan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Err.. You only had to look back at the last time we played the PanthersWell yea, I was discounting that because Smitty basically knew he was being fired so he said **** it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Our #1 problem is drafting drafting drafting. Until we get excellent at that, we'll always be mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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