MikeSmithsNotepad Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Just taking last year alone we were 6th in RZ in converting TD'syea but we sucked last year. and the year before that. Our problems are a fundamental lack of talent in the trenches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I like how he says Shanny is throwing the ball to x person when highlighting bad plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy5prings Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The book on Kyle Shanahan has always been "great between the 20s, struggles to score points". That said, he's DQ's hire and Quinn is not going to fire the first guy he called after getting the HC job. My bet is that the entire front office is replaced, we get a Quinn-preferred GM and they are given a chance to rebuild the OL, WRs and other key positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy5prings Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I like how he says Shanny is throwing the ball to x person when highlighting bad plays I don't think that's a bad choice of words. Even though Ryan is the QB, Shanny dictates who the ball goes to and clearly the play designs aren't getting anyone other than the #1 target (Julio) open. That's probably why Ryan is forcing the ball because he knows that the next play call might not be any better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssj5gal Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 HOLY **** NOOOOO WAY!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssj5gal Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 What is wrong with the Atlanta Falcons? A look into the offense. by CunniMingusThe Guy spent a lot of time on it,so I thought some of you might want to see it!Thanks for sharing this!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musikron Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 If Dairy Queen or Arthur Blanks won't do something about this, the players better folking mutiny this Sunday. Matts snap count better sound like "FUk Shanny FUk Shanny, MY team GO!". Just turn off the helmet headset, and call their own plays, I'm sure Matt, Roddy, and Julio know enough about routes and plays available that they wouldn't totally embarrass themselves. No way to go but up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 if this guy is this bad we got biggger problems, -- why the fk is he here?? HOW did this happen, this terribleness is so obvious and going on so long and we ffking bring him here. are fking kidding me !!>!>!> Ppl need to learn, we need a football owner, this **** has to stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Those redzone efficiency numbers doeLmao those are some very telling stats.10 ints combined over the span of mularkey and koetter. 4 already under Shanahan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK Manley Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 He makes some pretty good points and there is probably some truth in there, but that write-up reeks pretty bad of confirmation bias. In other words, he went into it with the conclusion that Shanahan is "the problem" and only recognized information that supports his conclusion.For instance, when talking about Shanahan's teams falling apart after a hot start, why did he ignore 2008, 2009, and 2012? Probably because if you include those seasons, they go...2008 - Started 0-4 and went 8-4 after2009 - Started 2-3, and went 7-4 after2012 - Started 3-6, and went 7-0 afterI'd give it more credit if it seemed like he was looking at it objectively, but he seemed to just throw out everything anti-Shanahan he could find. I'm always pretty skeptical when anyone thinks one person is "the problem" on a 53 player football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK Manley Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The analysis of Julio vs Ted Ginn's targets was pretty laughable too. You mean to tell me that arguably the most talented receiver in the league gets a lot more targets than the worst "#1 receiver" in the league?Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 K whiz for OC. What is Whiz's offensive philosophy? Does he employ ZBS up front? If so, then I would be on board with this hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBXFalcon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Excellent write-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Quinn needs to say let Ryan run the no huddle 90% of the time and let's just see if it is Shanahan's play calling. Probably a loss either way but we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Quinn needs to say let Ryan run the no huddle 90% of the time and let's just see if it is Shanahan's play calling. Probably a loss either way but we will see.He did. MR ran the no huddle on our 1st TD last week. Went down and scored with no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Nice writeup also. He basically said the same things I've been saying from the jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just a random thought but the Falcons can drive me nuts like nothing else. I swear we do the dumbest **** sometimes. Like everyone, including Julio, wanting some fade throws in the endzone. We don't do it at all but it would be so like us to attempt it Sunday against the longest freaking corner in Josh Norman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Thanks for posting this. There are also a lot of good breakdowns in the comments.One redditor points out that Shanahan has always racked up yards, but has historically been near the bottom of the league in red zone efficiency. Seems like this isn't the only place he has struggled to properly use his weapons inside the 20.the excuse was always he doesnt have weapons. turns out he just sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just had to read this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't think that's a bad choice of words. Even though Ryan is the QB, Shanny dictates who the ball goes to and clearly the play designs aren't getting anyone other than the #1 target (Julio) open. That's probably why Ryan is forcing the ball because he knows that the next play call might not be any betterSo the proof shown here countless times showing other open players is fake? So Ryan gets yelled at on the sideline when he throws to players not Julio?Where are ya seeing it said Shanahan tell Ryan to throw to Julio no matter what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So the proof shown here countless times showing other open players is fake? So Ryan gets yelled at on the sideline when he throws to players not Julio?Where are ya seeing it said Shanahan tell Ryan to throw to Julio no matter what?Between the lines. What? You can't see it? It's right there. In black and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Between the lines. What? You can't see it? It's right there. In black and white.Ryan might be the most mentally weak qb in the league if he ignores open receivers because Shanahan says throw it to a triple covered Julio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The problem with the offense is this. Shanahan centers the offense around Julio too much. You're thinking "Why is that a bad thing? You just told me that Julio isnt even being targeted in the redzone." Ill tell ya.The route trees he draws up are for Julio to get open. Thats it. So when Julio isnt open (which happens a lot since he's double covered all the ******* time), Matt Ryan has nowhere to throw the ball. He has to try to force passes he has no business in making. Shanahan is drawing up pass plays with 4 WR/3WR1TE sets, but only using 1 WR. When the first look isnt open, the play is more than likely dead. Hankerson cant catch the ball, and he refuses to implement Roddy into the gameplan even though he's been nothing but reliable this year. Justin Hardy isnt being used at all even he's shown to be competent, and Hankerson isnt. Hank has since been put on the IR, but Hardy + Roddy only got a combined 6 targets last week....what!?In the second half of the Colts game on Nov 22nd from being up 21-7 to being tied, Shannys play selection was as follows: 13 pass, 4 run. Now I know Devonta was out, but you have the lead. Gotta do better. And when the defense knows who youre gonna throw to no matter the situation, its not gonna work. No mid-game adjustments AT ALL.Shanny wont take criticism as evident by the fact that he opened the game in the no huddle and threw it to Roddy 3 straight times even when he wasnt open as a troll job to the fans. This is an example of something that’s been pervasive the whole year through. He dictates where the pass is thrown to a fault. I've never seen Ryan have this little of control over the offense. He's not audibling, not calling hot routes, and even in the no huddle which he's amazing at, Shanahan is calling the shots. Its infuriating. He has a lot of history of rubbing his former players and coaches the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Good running game, zone blocking scheme works. Red Zone inefficiencies, hot start with a latter season swoon, criticisms of stubbornness and unprofessional-ism, and unwillingness to adjust scheme no matter the circumstances.Keep seeing similar comments as this pop up on a weekly basis..there has to be something to it.It is amazing that throughout thick and thin for 7 straight years, with shoddy to abysmal pass protection in many of his seasons here, long in the tooth feature backs like TJax in some of his years, no defense to back him up, multiple coordinators, Ryan has performed an a very high and consistent level, no matter what.Then, you bring in an OC with a sketchy, inconsistent past, who's teams often start off good then restart to suck, with several players and local media reporting he doesn't get along with players, is stubborn, won't adjust his scheme, and his scheme has a pattern of failure in the red zone and suddenly our offense is playing sketchy, inconsistent football, started off strong then started to suck and is struggling in the red zone to score points.What does half of Falcon nation deduce from the information available? The problem must be Matt Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) It is amazing that throughout thick and thin for 7 straight years, with shoddy to abysmal pass protection in many of his seasons here, long in the tooth feature backs like TJax in some of his years, no defense to back him up, multiple coordinators, Ryan has performed an a very high and consistent level, no matter what.Then, you bring in an OC with a sketchy, inconsistent past, who's teams start off good then restart to suck, with several players and local media reporting he doesn't get along with players, is stubborn, won't adjust his scheme, and his scheme has a pattern of failure in the red zone and suddenly our offense is playing sketchy, inconsistent football, started off strong then started to suck and is struggling in the red zone to score points.What does half of Falcon nation deduce from the information available? The problem must be Matt Ryan.We have some really insane fans.I've come to the conclusion that the people blaming Matt for this mess are the same ones that were on the "Whatever you do don't draft Ryan" brigade 8 years ago.A good portion of our "fan base" has been clinging to any reason they could find to tear this dude down for almost a decade. Edited December 10, 2015 by RubberDucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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