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Trump is on GMA right now. I can't believe anybody supports this loudmouth windbag. Like, seriously.

His argument: because of this latest incident, we have to stop Muslims from coming into the country.

Question: if an American citizen leaves the country are they not allowed to come back?

His answer: no, of course not, they're a citizen, that's different.

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Did he actually read anything about the latest incident?

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What if Trump is actually a shrewd power broker and negotiator? What if he is truly a master of the the "Art of the Deal"? What if he is golf buddies and long time Pals with Bill Clinton, who attended Trum's (third?) wedding?

Stick with me for a minute on this while I wax Conspiracy Theorist . . .

Maybe he is brilliantly building a coalition?

I think he has recognized that 10-15% of Americans, and 20-30% of Republican voters, are paranoid, xenophopic fools. Trumps goal is to REMOVE them from the Republican electorate for the general election.

With each outrageous statement, and every new poll that shows him consistently keeping 22-31% of Republican support, he forces Republican Party leadership to make a MORE concerted effort to prevent him from winning the nomination. Eventually, the party leadership and the "adult" candidates with join forces and unify their support behind one candidate (Rubio, Bush, Christie . . . or ROMNEY, probably not Kaisich).

Eventually, Trump will call upon his minions to reject the RINO candidate the Party has forced upon them, citing the failures of McCain and Romney in the recent past, and elicit their support as a third party candidate.

But to build that coalition, he does not WANT reasonable Conservatives to support him now. Because reasonable minds would know better than to sabotage their interests by splitting the party vote.

Trumps ever increasing offensiveness/outrageousness is an intentional filter (like Nigerian Prince emails) to appeal to only the zealots who will follow him later.

Absurd? Of course. But is there anything that makes MORE sense? Maybe I am underestimating the electorate's capacity for fascism, or overestimating Trump's intelligence, I just can't figure anything else out.

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Here's what is truly frightening about Donald Trump.

Most people are looking at his policy proposal and rightfully find it disgusting, which it is. But as bad as his policy proposal is, the basis and reasoning that leads up to it is even worse.

In justifying the ban on Muslims entering the country, Trump cites a poll about 25% of American Muslims supporting violence for jihad. That might sound familiar to some people on the boards. It is actually the exact same poll that dirtyhairy and others like him have cited many times on these boards in their claims against Islam and Muslims in general. That poll is prominently cited on far rightwing websites, especially anti-Islamic websites.

And as I've shown on the boards a few times, the poll is complete bunk. It is a non-random sample of people on the internet, and it was sponsored by Frank Gaffney, a conspiracy nut who has, among other things, claimed that Obama is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Trump is basing his policy proposals off of this kind of stuff. Which means that he's not carefully reviewing evidence, let alone the credibility of sources, to formulate his most important foreign policy positions. He's using stuff spouted by internet trolls and anti-Islamic conspiracy nuts to formulate his foreign policy.

And that is what's most frightening about the person leading the Republican primary race right now. It's not just that he's proposing whacked out policies, but he seems to be influenced by discredited sources from conspiracy nuts to formulate his whacked out policies.

Edit: Link about the poll Trump cited: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/fact-check.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#/factcheck-18

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Now he wants to "close up" certain parts of the internet to prevent terror:

Donald Trump wants to 'close up' the Internet

By David Goldman @DavidGoldmanCNN


Donald Trump has called for a shutdown of the Internet in certain areas to stop the spread of terror.

In a speech at the U.S.S. Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, on Monday, Trump referenced the use by ISIS of social media as a recruitment tool. He recommended a discussion with Bill Gates to shut off parts of the Internet.

"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet," Trump said. "We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."

Some totalitarian governments do it

The notion that the Internet could be shut off is not completely off base. North Korea does it. Some countries have been known to shut off Internet service to their citizens in times of crisis. Egypt restricted the Internet during the 2011 Arab Spring uprising.

Other countries block certain Internet services and sites. China is the most famous example, forbidding most social networking sites as well as websites that deal with subjects the government doesn't want its citizens to know about.

Most Western countries, including the United States, regulate the Internet very loosely. There are few restrictions about what American citizens can do and say on the Internet. Child pornography is one example of forbidden Internet activity in the United States -- Google is barred from linking to it, and websites cannot display images of it.

Why the United States can't do it

But a full-on "closing up" of the Internet "in certain areas" would be an impossible task. There are so many players with so much redundancy built into the system, that the Internet is not just something that can be turned off with a wave of a magic wand.

Virtually every part in the United States has multiple Internet service provider options.

Comcast, (CMCSA) Time Warner Cable (TWC) and the other major broadband companies don't overlap much. But Verizon (VZ, Tech30), AT&T (T, Tech30), Sprint (S) and T-Mobile (TMUS) all provide the same service to roughly the same areas. Satellite companies also provide Internet to most parts of the country.

Removing Internet service in certain areas of the U.S. would require those companies to turn off their cell towers and fiber networks, and to restrict satellite access to people living in those regions.

America can't shut off the Internet overseas either

Shutting down Internet service in foreign countries could be even more difficult.

Despite a common belief to the contrary, the United States does not control the global Internet. Servers on foreign soil serve up the Web and other Internet services to people living abroad.

So foreign Internet infrastructure would need to be disrupted or shut down to turn off service in certain areas -- already a tricky task made even harder if the countries and companies controlling those servers and cell towers abroad don't cooperate.

Whatever, Donald Trump wouldn't want the Internet shut off anyway. Then he couldn't tweet.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/technology/donald-trump-internet/index.html?sr=twCNN120815donald-trump-internet/index.html,donald-trump-internet/index.html%200243PMVODtopLink&linkId=19407595

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And as I've shown on the boards a few times, the poll is complete bunk. It is a non-random sample of people on the internet, and it was sponsored by Frank Gaffney, a conspiracy nut who has, among other things, claimed that Obama is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Gaffney accused Grover ******* Norquist of being affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah.

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I just listened to part of Trump's interview on CNN this morning. Dude's completely lost his mind and gone full blown nutgoofery. He was saying that we are blocking Christian refugees from Syria from coming in but making it very easy for Muslim refugees.

Given all of his comments over the past 24 hours, I don't envy the fact-checkers who have to sift through all this stuff.

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Here's what is truly frightening about Donald Trump.

Most people are looking at his policy proposal and rightfully find it disgusting, which it is. But as bad as his policy proposal is, the basis and reasoning that leads up to it is even worse.

In justifying the ban on Muslims entering the country, Trump cites a poll about 25% of American Muslims supporting violence for jihad. That might sound familiar to some people on the boards. It is actually the exact same poll that dirtyhairy and others like him have cited many times on these boards in their claims against Islam and Muslims in general. That poll is prominently cited on far rightwing websites, especially anti-Islamic websites.

And as I've shown on the boards a few times, the poll is complete bunk. It is a non-random sample of people on the internet, and it was sponsored by Frank Gaffney, a conspiracy nut who has, among other things, claimed that Obama is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Trump is basing his policy proposals off of this kind of stuff. Which means that he's not carefully reviewing evidence, let alone the credibility of sources, to formulate his most important foreign policy positions. He's using stuff spouted by internet trolls and anti-Islamic conspiracy nuts to formulate his foreign policy.

And that is what's most frightening about the person leading the Republican primary race right now. It's not just that he's proposing whacked out policies, but he seems to be influenced by discredited sources from conspiracy nuts to formulate his whacked out policies.

Edit: Link about the poll Trump cited: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/fact-check.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#/factcheck-18

People are eating it up. He's surging ahead in Iowa right now.

I'm legitimately, sincerely terrified of Trump. I keep thinking every day "this is the day his campaign will go off the train tracks, surely America won't tolerate this" and every day his lead grows.

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Now he wants to "close up" certain parts of the internet to prevent terror:

Donald Trump wants to 'close up' the Internet

By David Goldman @DavidGoldmanCNN

Donald Trump has called for a shutdown of the Internet in certain areas to stop the spread of terror.

In a speech at the U.S.S. Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, on Monday, Trump referenced the use by ISIS of social media as a recruitment tool. He recommended a discussion with Bill Gates to shut off parts of the Internet.

"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet," Trump said. "We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."

Some totalitarian governments do it

The notion that the Internet could be shut off is not completely off base. North Korea does it. Some countries have been known to shut off Internet service to their citizens in times of crisis. Egypt restricted the Internet during the 2011 Arab Spring uprising.

Other countries block certain Internet services and sites. China is the most famous example, forbidding most social networking sites as well as websites that deal with subjects the government doesn't want its citizens to know about.

Most Western countries, including the United States, regulate the Internet very loosely. There are few restrictions about what American citizens can do and say on the Internet. Child pornography is one example of forbidden Internet activity in the United States -- Google is barred from linking to it, and websites cannot display images of it.

Why the United States can't do it

But a full-on "closing up" of the Internet "in certain areas" would be an impossible task. There are so many players with so much redundancy built into the system, that the Internet is not just something that can be turned off with a wave of a magic wand.

Virtually every part in the United States has multiple Internet service provider options.

Comcast, (CMCSA) Time Warner Cable (TWC) and the other major broadband companies don't overlap much. But Verizon (VZ, Tech30), AT&T (T, Tech30), Sprint (S) and T-Mobile (TMUS) all provide the same service to roughly the same areas. Satellite companies also provide Internet to most parts of the country.

Removing Internet service in certain areas of the U.S. would require those companies to turn off their cell towers and fiber networks, and to restrict satellite access to people living in those regions.

America can't shut off the Internet overseas either

Shutting down Internet service in foreign countries could be even more difficult.

Despite a common belief to the contrary, the United States does not control the global Internet. Servers on foreign soil serve up the Web and other Internet services to people living abroad.

So foreign Internet infrastructure would need to be disrupted or shut down to turn off service in certain areas -- already a tricky task made even harder if the countries and companies controlling those servers and cell towers abroad don't cooperate.

Whatever, Donald Trump wouldn't want the Internet shut off anyway. Then he couldn't tweet.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/technology/donald-trump-internet/index.html?sr=twCNN120815donald-trump-internet/index.html,donald-trump-internet/index.html%200243PMVODtopLink&linkId=19407595

GAfan is going to **** an apple-shaped brick when he sees this.

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People are eating it up. He's surging ahead in Iowa right now.

I'm legitimately, sincerely terrified of Trump. I keep thinking every day "this is the day his campaign will go off the train tracks, surely America won't tolerate this" and every day his lead grows.

HIS people are eating it up. These are the folks who think 32 degress F. feels like room temperature. Trump makes them feel normal.

What is "surging in Iowa"? LINK?

Iowa is good people midwest. It is unique in that it is a purple to blue state WITHOUT a major metropolitan area. To a greater extent than elsewhere, the rural folk . . . SOME rural folk embrace moderate to progressive American Values.

However, on the Republican side, there are a certain percentage of zealots: That's why Huckabee and Santorum won the Republican caucuses in 2008 and 2012 respectively, but Obama won the state in the general election.

Don't let Trump's appeal to a plurality of Iowa Republican over estimate his electability. He is irreparably damaging himself every day.

He could get 35-40 percent of the vote in the Republican caucus and it would not be a concern.

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Trump's position is the polar opposite of Obama's.

Obama: Let's let as many Syrian refugees in as possible in very likely including terror threats.

Trump: Let's not let any Muslims in.

They both have extreme positions and they are both wrong.

That is not Obama's position. Not surprising from you. Just thought I'd point that out.
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What's going to be even funnier is the left losing their minds as the voters tell the establishment and the country, the Clintons are not wanted, regardless of the GOP candidate. This is what happens when the left allows a dictator to take hostage of our country for 8 years. You progressives have lost 1000 seats since Obama took his royal throne. This 1 man has destroyed the democrat party and every time he goes on TV you lose even more credibility. The left have eaten their own. The piper is warming up and all he.l is getting ready to break lose.

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