Ryan's Poor Play Is Not The Problem, It's A Symptom Of The Problem

[gazoo]

We all ackowledge Ryan is not playing anywhere near as good as he has since he got here. Through multiple head coaches and coordinators, multiple schemes, Matt Ryan has played at a consistently high level, through horrible offensive lines, bad running games some years, one dimensional running backs others, little pass protection and bad defenses he's ALWAYS PLAYED CONSISTENTLY WELL UNTIL THIS YEAR.

Now, we see mistakes on offense across the board. Mistakes from Ryan, ineffective game plans on offense, defenses saying in media after playing us they knew what plays we were running from watching film, horrible clock management, Falcons leading NFL in dropped passes, bobbled passes getting picked, terrible play calls in critical situations, a staggering number of offensive penalties, terrible mental mistakes in blocking leading to defenders blowing through the line virtually untouched, inconsistent pass protection, fumbles, bad snaps, opposing defensdees and head coaches say I g they have figured out our offense and know what plays we are running prior to snap and able to dictate what routes our receivers run and miscommunication on passing routes.

The number of mistakes is STAGGERING. Interceptions are only part of it, there are mistakes being made across the board including clock management and terrible playcalling on offense in critical situations.

Now, the entire NFL and message board unanimously agreed that the LACK of mistakes as outlined above was due to tight coaching by Smitty. How then, can fans claim all these mistakes being made across the board on offense are all on the players? The defense is playing much better, it's the ENTIRE OFFENSE that is a non stop mistake filled circus for weeks now.

[Falcons_own_nfc_south]

All this is true. When Ice is in trouble I never see an open checkdown or a screen to the RBs. Other teams are killing us with RB screens but I guess it is not in Shanny's playbook?

^^This

[Falcons_own_nfc_south]

All this is true. When Ice is in trouble I never see an open checkdown or a screen to the RBs. Other teams are killing us with RB screens but I guess it is not in Shanny's playbook?

^^This

[Andras]

Shanahanians seem to think people are saying the turnovers are ok and that Ryan is playing fine. They don't understand that this isn't just a surface problem when the personnel is not buying into the system. It's also a deeper problem when the QB we're talking about just sprouted his problems overnight in this new unproven Shanahan offense.

[tldr]

Give me Shanny and Kaep next year. Trade Matt to the Rams for a 3rd.

[Guest Gritz]

You take out Julio and the Falcons don't have much else to threaten you with...especially in games where Devonta doesn't play.

Ryan doesn't have the athletic ability to extend plays...Shanahan isn't nearly as creative as advertised before he got here...The O-line (with the exception of Matthews) is patched together due to poor drafting for years.

The Falcons are a hot dumpster fire mess right now.

[likeriver]

All this is true. When Ice is in trouble I never see an open checkdown or a screen to the RBs. Other teams are killing us with RB screens but I guess it is not in Shanny's playbook?

I was just thinking during the game: "WTF happened to all the screens?" They actually worked really well at the start of the season (even though we got some penalties)

[Guest Gritz]

Give me Shanny and Kaep next year. Trade Matt to the Rams for a 3rd.

Shanahan will go waaaaaaay before Ryan will. The Falcons (and Blank) have a much deeper emotional and financial commitment to Ryan than they do Shanahan.

[THEHEADCOACH]

We all ackowledge Ryan is not playing anywhere near as good as he has since he got here. Through multiple head coaches and coordinators, multiple schemes, Matt Ryan has played at a consistently high level, through horrible offensive lines, bad running games some years, one dimensional running backs others, little pass protection and bad defenses he's ALWAYS PLAYED CONSISTENTLY WELL UNTIL THIS YEAR.

Now, we see mistakes on offense across the board. Mistakes from Ryan, dropped passes, bobbled passes getting picked, terrible play calls in critical situations, a staggering number of penalties, terrible mistakes in blocking leading to defenders blowing through the line virtually untouched, inconsistent pass protection, fumbles, bad snaps and miscommunication on passing routes.

The number of mistakes is STAGGERING. Interceptions are only part of it, there are mistakes being made across the board including clock management and terrible playcalling on offense in critical situations.

Now, the entire NFL and message board unanimously agreed that the LACK of mistakes as outlined above was due to tight coaching by Smitty. How then, can fans claim all these mistakes being made across the board n offense are all on the players?

You are correct.

[marvinthemartian]

Give me Shanny and Kaep next year. Trade Matt to the Rams for a 3rd.

You've got to be kidding.

[since68andcounting]

Give me Shanny and Kaep next year. Trade Matt to the Rams for a 3rd.

Just go away. I think we need to draft a QB but there's a reason Kap is benched in SF. You think Ryan is bad at reading defenses??? Gimme a break. And Kap's personal issues have alienated his own teammates. They won't play for him.

Terrible idea.

[Clark Kent™]

Now, the entire NFL and message board unanimously agreed that the LACK of mistakes as outlined above was due to tight coaching by Smitty. How then, can fans claim all these mistakes being made across the board n offense are all on the players?

Its not black and white. Its a new system for Ryan to learn and people think he should just learn it flawlessly without mistakes? With a very average pass blocking unit? He can't even get consistent snapping. So snapping is on Shanahan as well? Fumbling issues are on Shanahan? If you want to say the routes are too long developing (complete bs) but you can put that on Shanahan, but the turnovers are on the players. And thats why we are losing games.

Anyone who has watched any Dan Quinn press conference has heard "its about the ball". He emphasizes it more than any other thing this entire season. Yet our team is still making the same mistakes which only proves that coaching only goes so far. At the end of the day, players are the ones who play.

Our offensive ranks going into this game:

#4 rush offense

#14 pass offense

Shanny isn't the problem. Its turnovers. And thats on players.

[gazoo]

Where can I find stats on offensive penalties? I don't care about defense or special teams, I want to see how our offense stacks up against all the rest on penalties.

[TheUsualStuff]

There's definitely an issue on our check downs... all being 1 yard.

There is also issue with play calling, and yes we need to run mire

screens (but a screen is not a "check down")

I agree with all that and I am beginning to seriously wonder about Shanahan, but Matt Ryan supporters need to own up to him making these god-awful turnovers. They may be bad play calls, but he is making inexcusable decisions.

Kudos for admitting he's not playing up to snuff in the opening post. I've seen too many others denying it.

Edited November 30, 2015 by TheUsualStuff

[UGABOZ]

We all ackowledge Ryan is not playing anywhere near as good as he has since he got here. Through multiple head coaches and coordinators, multiple schemes, Matt Ryan has played at a consistently high level, through horrible offensive lines, bad running games some years, one dimensional running backs others, little pass protection and bad defenses he's ALWAYS PLAYED CONSISTENTLY WELL UNTIL THIS YEAR.

Now, we see mistakes on offense across the board. Mistakes from Ryan, ineffective game plans on offense, horrible clock management, Falcons leading NFL in dropped passes, bobbled passes getting picked, terrible play calls in critical situations, a staggering number of offensive penalties, terrible mental mistakes in blocking leading to defenders blowing through the line virtually untouched, inconsistent pass protection, fumbles, bad snaps and miscommunication on passing routes.

The number of mistakes is STAGGERING. Interceptions are only part of it, there are mistakes being made across the board including clock management and terrible playcalling on offense in critical situations.

Now, the entire NFL and message board unanimously agreed that the LACK of mistakes as outlined above was due to tight coaching by Smitty. How then, can fans claim all these mistakes being made across the board on offense are all on the players? The defense is playing much better, it's the ENTIRE OFFENSE that is a non stop mistake filled circus for weeks now.

flats are always open

[urbanpabs]

Shanahan will go waaaaaaay before Ryan will. The Falcons (and Blank) have a much deeper emotional and financial commitment to Ryan than they do Shanahan.

Quinn and Blank both came out and made their supportive statements of Ryan today. Didn't hear any noise made about Shanny. And I do love that Ryan stands in the face of the media and says he screwed up. Not sure if Shanny has done such things other than make a mockery of the Atlanta fanbase and media.

[Karst41]

Send that son of a shanny to Barffalo and let him waller round the barn yard with Rexxy.

[Dirtybird56]

Exactly, why Shanny has Ice (our immobile QB) rolling out to his left and throwing 5 or 6 times a game is beyond me. He is awkward at it and he throws horribly rolling to his left!

It's why I started getting nervous in training camp. I told myself it was just because it was TC, but I knew Matt wasn't all of a sudden going to gain the quick twitch fibers he needs to turn the corner and release the ball a bit quicker. Today we fooled the edge defender well off the PA bootleg so he wasn't in Ryan's face as he tried to throw, but CB's are able to close in on the crossing routes at the last second because Ryan is a hair too slow getting around the corner/winding up the throw and unable to make up for it with velocity

Edit: and I should make it clear I think Ryan is a great QB and Shanny is a great OC. Really do. Just not convinced it's a match

Edited November 30, 2015 by Dirtybird56

[gazoo]

We now have two different post games shows where the opposing defenders said they knew what offensive plays we were running before the snap from watching film. They are also saying they can dictate our WRs routes!!!

Munnerlyn: I knew if I was getting leverage on the outside, they run inside routes. If Im inside, they run outside routes.

Zimmer said after tHe game he figured the Falcons offense out. It's a lot easier to get picks when the defensive coordinator has figured your offensive schem out.

We have very serious problems here when defensive coordinators are being able to predict our plays on offense from watching film.

[HEIST]

Its not black and white. Its a new system for Ryan to learn and people think he should just learn it flawlessly without mistakes? With a very average pass blocking unit? He can't even get consistent snapping. So snapping is on Shanahan as well? Fumbling issues are on Shanahan? If you want to say the routes are too long developing (complete bs) but you can put that on Shanahan, but the turnovers are on the players. And thats why we are losing games.

Anyone who has watched any Dan Quinn press conference has heard "its about the ball". He emphasizes it more than any other thing this entire season. Yet our team is still making the same mistakes which only proves that coaching only goes so far. At the end of the day, players are the ones who play.

Our offensive ranks going into this game:

#4 rush offense

#14 pass offense

Shanny isn't the problem. Its turnovers. And thats on players.

That Teco run was a great example. Worked to perfection, looked just like the runs from his college highlights. Then he fumbles it. According to these people, that's on Shanahan?

[Clark Kent™]

That Teco run was a great example. Worked to perfection, looked just like the runs from his college highlights. Then he fumbles it. According to these people, that's on Shanahan?

Yep. Shanahan ran down there and punched it out apparently.

And you have two different defenders coming out in post game interviews with one saying he baited Ryan into throwing the pick. And another saying he read Ryans eyes. But thats Shanahans fault i guess lol

[FalconFanSince1969]

Ryan's poor play is never, ever the problem.

Ryan must be the only player in the league that is never responsible for the losses, but is always responsible for the wins.

[gazoo]

That Teco run was a great example. Worked to perfection, looked just like the runs from his college highlights. Then he fumbles it. According to these people, that's on Shanahan?

no single mistake can be pinned on an OC. What can be pinned on him is a pattern of mistakes across the board from everyone including himself.

You can't claim Smitty ran such a tight ship he got credit for our team making few mistakes, then turn around and claim an offense making a staggering amount of mistakes all across the board is not on coaching.

If Ryan was the only one making mistakes it would be on him. Everyone on offense is making mistakes and lots of them including game planning, scheming, play calling and clock management.

[FalconFanSince1969]

no single mistake can be pinned on an OC. What can be pinned on him is a pattern of mistakes across the board from everyone including himself.

You can't claim Smitty ran such a tight ship he got credit for our team making few mistakes, then turn around and claim an offense making a staggering amount of mistakes all across the board is not on coaching.

If Ryan was the only one making mistakes it would be on him. Everyone on offense is making mistakes and lots of them including game planning, scheming, play calling and clock management.

Then how can you blame the OC on those mistakes when that should fall on the head coach?

Let's be consistent here.

[gazoo]

Then how can you blame the OC on those mistakes when that should fall on the head coach?

Let's be consistent here.

becuase they are not happening team wide, they are happening at a staggering level on offense only over the last several weeks. Defense cleaned most of the issues up over last few games but we're just as bad at one point.

Of course defense and teams still make mistakes, but the degree of them vs degree of them on offense is what I'm looking at.

We also haven't heard any offensive coordinator or offensive players who played against us come out after the game stating they had our defense figured out, this is happening on offense.