After All The Hurt, Hype And Venom--It Boils Down To One Person

[Nono]

Shanny

I read a thread about Shanahan being a QB killer starting with Mcnabb and progressing to RGIII and now us. I know this guy comes from good lineage and is Quinn's friend but as I went to bed and was still reeling over the Colts loss, I realized it boils down to one thing.

I jumped MR for weak arm, over paid and so on all day yesterday but he has never looked so bad and there has to be a reason and after Shanahan threw to Roddy 3 times in a row to start the game, I realize this guy is a jerk and a looser. He totally has to go now. He is ruining this team starting with the offense and and now killing the locker room.

F U Kyle Shanahan get out of town and leave this team you demon

Edited November 24, 2015 by Nono

[Tribal Chief]

Lol

[Sun Tzu 7]

Actually the blame always falls on one person... The head coach.

Especially when the team gets worse while the season goes on.

Who's decision was it to bring in the OC and who has had the power to overrule him?

If Shanahan ruins Matt Ryan it could take Quinn down with him.

[Lord Sarcomere]

Dude.

Shanny is not the one overthrowing, underthrowing, or throwing it to the wrong team. I've said this a million times. Ryan is the problem.

[Clark Kent™]

Shanny didn't make Coleman fumble.

Shanny didn't make Bryant miss a FG which turned out to be a big miss.

Shanny didn't make Ryan throw a terrible int on the goal line that was a game killer and 2 more.

Shanny didn't make the defense give up 24 points to a Matt Hasslebeck led offense.

I don't get the Shanny hate. Its turnovers more than anything and those are on players, not coaches.

[Duff_Man]

If watching football is hurting you, that's pretty sad, and also you should probably stop watching it.

[vel]

Shanny didn't make Coleman fumble.

Shanny didn't make Bryant miss a FG which turned out to be a big miss.

Shanny didn't make Ryan throw a terrible int on the goal line that was a game killer and 2 more.

Shanny didn't make the defense give up 24 points to a Matt Hasslebeck led offense.

I don't get the Shanny hate. Its turnovers more than anything and those are on players, not coaches.

Defense gave up 17 points. Kyle threw the pick six that got them the other 7 points.

[Clark Kent™]

Defense gave up 17 points. Kyle threw the pick six that got them the other 7 points.

Lol you would think thats what happened

[Falcanuck]

Shanny didn't make Coleman fumble.

Shanny didn't make Bryant miss a FG which turned out to be a big miss.

Shanny didn't make Ryan throw a terrible int on the goal line that was a game killer and 2 more.

Shanny didn't make the defense give up 24 points to a Matt Hasslebeck led offense.

I don't get the Shanny hate. Its turnovers more than anything and those are on players, not coaches.

I mean it's pretty biased as it is to even count the hail mary INT. Yes, Ryan is playing like trash. But this is not the norm at all. Coaching is 100% the reason more turnovers are happening.

[falconstwopercentsized]

The only problem I had with the last game was the playaction that had matt take his eyes off the defense in their end zone.

[Sun Tzu 7]

I mean it's pretty biased as it is to even count the hail mary INT. Yes, Ryan is playing like trash. But this is not the norm at all. Coaching is 100% the reason more turnovers are happening.

Remember the Broncos when Fox was the coach?

They ran one type of offense. Then when Tebow started playing they scrapped that and changed the offense to better fit what Tebow did and they won a couple of games. When they got rid of Tebow and brought in Manning they scrapped the old offense and changed it again to suit Manning.

That was good coaching. Changing the system so that it better suits the players.

When Koetter came in he talked with Ryan and found out what Rysn liked and then changed his system to better suit the personnel the Falcons had at the time.

I'm not sure if Shanahan did that.

You can't have a team get worse as the season goes along. If that doesn't change somebody is getting fired.

[vel]

I mean it's pretty biased as it is to even count the hail mary INT. Yes, Ryan is playing like trash. But this is not the norm at all. Coaching is 100% the reason more turnovers are happening.

I honestly don't think it's just coaching. I think Matt, just like most other QBs who learned the WCO in the NFL, is having growing pains and struggling to adjust. Missed reads, not playing settled, etc. Look at the difference in the two halves Sunday. Same team, same offense, same gameplan, Matt just came unglued.

The fumbles are coaching, but Matt's picks are a struggling, overwhelmed QB.

[Clark Kent™]

I mean it's pretty biased as it is to even count the hail mary INT. Yes, Ryan is playing like trash. But this is not the norm at all. Coaching is 100% the reason more turnovers are happening.

Coaching doesn't make Coleman fumble, Bryant miss that FG, or Ryan throw those picks. Particularly the one at the goal line.

Ryan has made some horrendous decisions this year that i can't see how anyone can blame on coaching. The turnover on our goal line for example. We did a PA which maybe was not a great call, but Ryan admitted in the press conference that he didn't see Jackson back up in coverage. Thats on him and he admitted it. He could have thrown it away. Or targeted another WR.

[Internetallstar]

If we had Koetter right now the offense would be fine.****, we would be looking pretty good with Mularkey.

We have a **** good quarterback who is clearly off of his game because Kyle's scheme is "Throw it to Julio, check down to Tamme, run it with Devonta". That is his entire scheme. If the defense KNOWS this then what chance does Matt have? Of course Matt looks terrible, we essentially have 2 receivers and a zone block running scheme.

Kyle is ****. Cleveland knows that, Washington knows that, we'll figure it out soon enough.

[vel]

Remember the Broncos when Fox was the coach?

They ran one type of offense. Then when Tebow started playing they scrapped that and changed the offense to better fit what Tebow did and they won a couple of games. When they got rid of Tebow and brought in Manning they scrapped the old offense and changed it again to suit Manning.

That was good coaching. Changing the system so that it better suits the players.

When Koetter came in he talked with Ryan and found out what Rysn liked and then changed his system to better suit the personnel the Falcons had at the time.

I'm not sure if Shanahan did that.

You can't have a team get worse as the season goes along. If that doesn't change somebody is getting fired.

Lol yall really want to paint Kyle as a headstrong tyrant. He's a quote from before the pre-season, per Matt Ryan himself:

“Kyle’s kind of been a chameleon, wherever he’s gone he’s had different guys to play with, and I think he’s shown that he will adjust to whatever kind of personnel they have,” Ryan said. “I think it’s been great, he’s really bright, really smart, has great ideas, and is open to kind of trying to do things that I like. I think the combination of the two has been really good.”

So clearly they sat down, discussed what Matt likes, and combined the two into something Matt was clearly comfortable with coming into the season. No need to try and create realities because you feel some type of way about the recent slump from our QB.

[Falcanuck]

I honestly don't think it's just coaching. I think Matt, just like most other QBs who learned the WCO in the NFL, is having growing pains and struggling to adjust. Missed reads, not playing settled, etc. Look at the difference in the two halves Sunday. Same team, same offense, same gameplan, Matt just came unglued.

The fumbles are coaching, but Matt's picks are a struggling, overwhelmed QB.

When has Matt Ryan ever been a turnover machine? When has the entire offence ever turned the ball over as much as they are? Not under Mike Smith, that's for sure. It's Quinn and Shanny 100%.

[Falcanuck]

Coaching doesn't make Coleman fumble, Bryant miss that FG, or Ryan throw those picks. Particularly the one at the goal line.

Ryan has made some horrendous decisions this year that i can't see how anyone can blame on coaching. The turnover on our goal line for example. We did a PA which maybe was not a great call, but Ryan admitted in the press conference that he didn't see Jackson back up in coverage. Thats on him and he admitted it. He could have thrown it away. Or targeted another WR.

Or he could have blamed play calling (which he won't, and never will). Coaching could stress the importance of holding onto the ball. Mike Smith seemed to grasp that concept.

[vel]

If we had Koetter right now the offense would be fine.****, we would be looking pretty good with Mularkey.

We have a **** good quarterback who is clearly off of his game because Kyle's scheme is "Throw it to Julio, check down to Tamme, run it with Devonta". That is his entire scheme. If the defense KNOWS this then what chance does Matt have? Of course Matt looks terrible, we essentially have 2 receivers and a zone block running scheme.

Kyle is ****. Cleveland knows that, Washington knows that, we'll figure it out soon enough.

Lol you must forget just how predictable we were with Koetter just twelve months ago. Same with Mularkey, who coordinated a 0 point effort in the playoffs...

If the scheme was so simple, we wouldn't be moving the ball at will up and down the field, only to piss ourselves in the redzone. Total Yards - #4. Total Points - #8. One shows movement, the other shows finishing. What aren't we doing? Finishing? Why?

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

Lol yall really want to paint Kyle as a headstrong tyrant. He's a quote from before the pre-season, per Matt Ryan himself:

So clearly they sat down, discussed what Matt likes, and combined the two into something Matt was clearly comfortable with coming into the season. No need to try and create realities because you feel some type of way about the recent slump from our QB.

Did you hear the one about how MR is injured?

LMFAO...excuse-a-tosis is running wild on TATF.

[Clark Kent™]

Or he could have blamed play calling (which he won't, and never will). Coaching could stress the importance of holding onto the ball. Mike Smith seemed to grasp that concept.

Really? What has Quinn said about 5 million times in every single press conference............

"Its about the ball"

I am pretty certain you can't stress it anymore than Quinn has.

And as far as the play call. Even a bad play call isn't responsible for an interception. Ryan could have audibled, thrown it another WR, called a timeout, thrown the ball away.

[vel]

When has Matt Ryan ever been a turnover machine? When has the entire offence ever turned the ball over as much as they are? Not under Mike Smith, that's for sure. It's Quinn and Shanny 100%.

Which part is on Kyle?

You see how you said "Not under Mike Smith" and not "Not under Mike Smith and Mularkey" or "Not under Mike Smith and Koetter". Which turnovers should Kyle be held accountable for? Because I don't think he is the one who sends the message to the entire team about limiting turnovers. That's the HC. I doubt he's not pointing out how terrible Matt's reads have been lately and been working with him on reading the right keys. Is Kyle teaching the RBs how to carry the ball or is that RB coach's job? Is he teaching the center how to snap the ball or is that the OL coach's job? How about teaching his QB how to handle the snap during a play action exchange so he doesn't drop it?

[Malachore]

Shanny didn't make Coleman fumble.

Shanny didn't make Bryant miss a FG which turned out to be a big miss.

Shanny didn't make Ryan throw a terrible int on the goal line that was a game killer and 2 more.

Shanny didn't make the defense give up 24 points to a Matt Hasslebeck led offense.

I don't get the Shanny hate. Its turnovers more than anything and those are on players, not coaches.

Defense gave up 17 points.

[vel]

Really? What has Quinn said about 5 million times in every single press conference............

"Its about the ball"

I am pretty certain you can't stress it anymore than Quinn has.

And as far as the play call. Even a bad play call isn't responsible for an interception. Ryan could have audibled, thrown it another WR, called a timeout, thrown the ball away.

Julio was open down the sideline and DiMarco was open leaking out as well on that pick six. And you can't blame pressure because there was none. Tamme wasn't even open enough to warrant a throw his way.

[Sun Tzu 7]

Lol you must forget just how predictable we were with Koetter just twelve months ago. Same with Mularkey, who coordinated a 0 point effort in the playoffs...

If the scheme was so simple, we wouldn't be moving the ball at will up and down the field, only to piss ourselves in the redzone. Total Yards - #4. Total Points - #8. One shows movement, the other shows finishing. What aren't we doing? Finishing? Why?

You also need to take into account we've been playing bad teams with bad defenses.

Ryan's play had taken a nose dive. No doubt about it.

However without him we are in a COMPLETE rebuilding mode and if that happens we're most likely going to have a new head coach as well.

The perception in the offseason was that Ryan was a franchise QB which is what made this the most attractive job. Like it or not if Ryan's play continues to decline the perception will be that Quinn and/or Shanahan ruined him.

[Internetallstar]

Lol you must forget just how predictable we were with Koetter just twelve months ago. Same with Mularkey, who coordinated a 0 point effort in the playoffs...

If the scheme was so simple, we wouldn't be moving the ball at will up and down the field, only to piss ourselves in the redzone. Total Yards - #4. Total Points - #8. One shows movement, the other shows finishing. What aren't we doing? Finishing? Why?

A) Yardage means nothing if you're turning it over all the time...which we do now

B ) We have the same personnel we had last year when the offense was the only reason we were in most games. You mean to tell me that our QB (which is just as much a part of that #8 ranked offense as any one) just lost it? He went from solid to trash on his own?

Say whatever you want, Shanahan has a reputation for killing QBS and ours looked just fine until he showed up. Kyle knows how to move the ball (force it to Julio) but he has completely abandoned the good parts from previous years. He is an arrogant little turd and he needs to go before he runs our franchise QB into the dirt.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Internetallstar