BirdWeisErrr_2 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I haven't logged in to this board in a few weeks until now, and I'm sure something about Matt Ryan is being talked about over and over but I'm so upset with what I see that I just cannot hold it in any longer.Now I'm sure someone is gonna say something like, "well look at this particular play, it didn't happen then". Well sure, so what. It happens way more than it should be.When Matt Ryan drops back to pass he is staring down the guy the ball will be thrown to. If the play is supposed to go to Tamme, he'll watch Tamme from the time he gets his hands on the ball until he throws it to Tamme. Now I do not claim to know as much about the game as many of you do. I'm just a casual fan with a little common sense. I know staring down a receiver is a no-no.What I don't know is why is he doing it? Has Shannahan taken responsibility away from Ryan and said do it my way? And I started a thread about this earlier in the year, why are we not throwing to Roddy? Lets, just for fun, say Roddy has lost it and just cannot play anymore. Then why the heck is he starting?? But that's just for fun because Roddy can STILL play at a high level in the NFL, maybe not as high as before before he's still a legit threat and we ignore him. Why??We are a better team, at least offensively, than what we are showing. Matt Ryan is a better QB than what he looks like right now. Roddy White is a better WR than what he looks like right now. I don't know and will not offer an explanation of why some of our players on the offensive side of the ball look so inept all of a sudden. I do know it needs to be fixed by the people that know how to fix it. Matt Ryan and Roddy are 2 of my favorite players on the team but if Matt Ryan keeps staring down the intended receiver I'm gonna have to stop watching for health reasons. Continue on. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Lol everyone has all the answers lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Beast Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) I can answer your question: Matt Ryan stares down his receiver because he likes to make pre snap decisions, playing the game like its a chess match. He wants to read the defense pre snap, figure out the coverage scheme and pass rush with snap counts, pre snap movement and adjustments and once he thinks he has all the information he needs, the play unravels in his mind... ball just needs to be snapped and he needs to make that pass he already figured out in his mind and wham, here we go. TD Falcons!!Unfortunately, defenses have figured HIM out roughly 2 years ago and fool him into all kind of traps. That play from the Indy LB on the pick 6 was specifically designed for Matt Ryan. Those other teams work every week to have those kind of plays, they study just as much as you do. They know what each QB likes and set their traps on it. Matt Ryan decided to make that throw way before the ball was snapped. He neither saw that the coverage on the target was actually decent nor that the LB, who initially showed blitz, would drop back into coverage. It didn't happen in his mind, so there was nothing to stop him from making that throw.Why does he depend so much on pre snap reads and pre snap decision on his target? Because he always has been afraid to go through his reads. He does not like to turn his head for a split second and be blind towards the pass rush from the other side. Edited November 23, 2015 by Herr Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSteeleboy Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I agreee, I think Ryan needs to stop trying to get the ball to whoever the play calls for it to go to. Instead what he needs to do is find the open receiver and if there isn't one either throw the ball away or lead the receiver into getting open. Matt's biggest problem is forcing throws into tight windows and not reading a defense like an 8 year veteran should. It breaks my heart that us fans have to put the blame on him but it's gotten to this. He needs to play better and he knows it. He can say he has to play better all he wants every week but lets see if he is all mouth or if he is going to do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Lol everyone has all the answers lmaoRyan needs to figure it out for our sake. he's nearing vick and romo statusjust in n terms of needing his own forum on the team message board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 haha, this is hilarious, there's 9 ryan threads on the first page right now with what could have been another post in an existing threadeverybody wants to be the guy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'll tell you like I've had to tell it in 30 other threads.Koetter and Matt Ryan did great together. The weakness of our offense under Koetter was our garbage OL because Dimitroff and Smitty had no ******* clue how to draft linemen on either side of the ball. MR made the pro bowl in 2012 and 2014.Koetter was not the problem. Matt Ryan is not the problem.The underlying factor is Shanahan and this WCO ********. It is the exact same reason Manning (who MR is similar to) is benched in Denver. It doesn't work for change at the LOS/field general QBs like Ryan, Romo, Manning, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 haha, this is hilarious, there's 9 ryan threads on the first page right now with what could have been another post in an existing threadeverybody wants to be the guy thoughThe crazy thing is everyone wants to point to that ONE THING.It's not one thing. It's a lot of things. People who blame Shanahan will make any excuse for him scheming guys open and our QB missing them. People who want to blame Ryan will ignore that he had several really good series yesterday hampered by several really bad ones, including the backbreaker of an INT. People who want to blame the o-line will ignore that they play well for the most part. People who want to blame Dimitroff will ignore the production from his picks.It's not one thing. If fixing it was as easy as firing Shanahan or benching Ryan or whatever, they'd have done it by now. You think Dan Quinn doesn't want to win? This team has a lot of problems, mostly on offense, but on ST and defense too. We aren't going to threaten anyone if we make the playoffs this season. That doesn't mean the sky is falling and there is no good to be found anywhere on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The crazy thing is everyone wants to point to that ONE THING.It's not one thing. It's a lot of things. People who blame Shanahan will make any excuse for him scheming guys open and our QB missing them. People who want to blame Ryan will ignore that he had several really good series yesterday hampered by several really bad ones, including the backbreaker of an INT. People who want to blame the o-line will ignore that they play well for the most part. People who want to blame Dimitroff will ignore the production from his picks.It's not one thing. If fixing it was as easy as firing Shanahan or benching Ryan or whatever, they'd have done it by now. You think Dan Quinn doesn't want to win? This team has a lot of problems, mostly on offense, but on ST and defense too. We aren't going to threaten anyone if we make the playoffs this season. That doesn't mean the sky is falling and there is no good to be found anywhere on the team.I think watching Manning trying to play under the exact same type of system in Denver is what people need to be doing. This system does not work for QBs like Manning and MR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'll tell you like I've had to tell it in 30 other threads.Koetter and Matt Ryan did great together. The weakness of our offense under Koetter was our garbage OL because Dimitroff and Smitty had no ******* clue how to draft linemen on either side of the ball. MR made the pro bowl in 2012 and 2014.Koetter was not the problem. Matt Ryan is not the problem.The underlying factor is Shanahan and this WCO ********. It is the exact same reason Manning (who MR is similar to) is benched in Denver. It doesn't work for change at the LOS/field general QBs like Ryan, Romo, Manning, etc...I thought Manning was injured..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'll tell you like I've had to tell it in 30 other threads.Koetter and Matt Ryan did great together. The weakness of our offense under Koetter was our garbage OL because Dimitroff and Smitty had no ******* clue how to draft linemen on either side of the ball. MR made the pro bowl in 2012 and 2014.Koetter was not the problem. Matt Ryan is not the problem.The underlying factor is Shanahan and this WCO ********. It is the exact same reason Manning (who MR is similar to) is benched in Denver. It doesn't work for change at the LOS/field general QBs like Ryan, Romo, Manning, etc...What a bizarre claim. If anything, those types of quarterbacks excel in this system because it allows them to move through their reads quickly and get the open man.What it doesn't work for is impatient fans who think a brand new, highly complex offensive system that is different from what they're used to running ought to look like the 2010 Packers the first year in the system. Those are the people who have a problem with the WCO.I think watching Manning trying to play under the exact same type of system in Denver is what people need to be doing. This system does not work for QBs like Manning and MR.Manning is injured. So there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Beast Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I actually agree with JDaveG for once, the WCO is not the worst idea for Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I thought Manning was injured.....Manning has looked awful all season lol - trust me, my buddy who drafted him first overall in fantasy wouldn't shut up about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 As others like to call others, the white Knights need to just face it. Matt is playing like complete **** this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawse Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'll tell you whats going, he has no stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGABOZ Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Lol everyone has all the answers lmaowell we know ryan does have any answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Manning has looked awful all season lol - trust me, my buddy who drafted him first overall in fantasy wouldn't shut up about it. that ain't got nothing to do with him not playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGABOZ Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Manning has looked awful all season lol - trust me, my buddy who drafted him first overall in fantasy wouldn't shut up about it. fantasy lol manning was 7-2 as a starter and was hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 that ain't got nothing to do with him not playing.Well yea he would be playing if he wasn't injured. My whole point is that he has looked really bad all season in this WCO system of Kubiak's. Matt Ryan is essentially a carbon copy of Manning with lesser leadership qualities. I don't think its coincidence that they both are struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Watch this video. If you want to shortcut it, go straight to the Rice TD starting about 1:48. Watch Montana go through the progressions.Then compare to Ryan. That's the problem -- Ryan isn't trusting his progressions. He's used to the receiver coming open. So he waits, then by the time he gets to the next read he's behind the ball. Rice was his 3rd or 4th read (it's hard to tell) on this play, and Montana goes boom...boom...boom....TD. When Ryan figures this out, he's going to excel in this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 fantasy lol manning was 7-2 as a starter and was hurtbecause their defense was playing absolutely lights out... look at his stats dude, he leads the league in INTswhat are we having issues with right now? Matt Ryan and his INTs. Denver has only 2 wins more than us with a league-leading defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Also, note how many times it looks like Montana is struggling, and yet he still trusts his looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Watch this video. If you want to shortcut it, go straight to the Rice TD starting about 1:48. Watch Montana go through the progressions.Then compare to Ryan. That's the problem -- Ryan isn't trusting his progressions. He's used to the receiver coming open. So he waits, then by the time he gets to the next read he's behind the ball. Rice was his 3rd or 4th read (it's hard to tell) on this play, and Montana goes boom...boom...boom....TD. When Ryan figures this out, he's going to excel in this system. And that is very likely true... but my issue is that Shanahan isn't letting him command at the LOS while he gets used to the system, he is stubbornly pushing his plays. That pass that Lowery got was a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think watching Manning trying to play under the exact same type of system in Denver is what people need to be doing. This system does not work for QBs like Manning and MR.Manning is old and doesn't have the arm strength anymore. Him and Ryan are not the same. Manning could probably still get the ball downfield farther and quicker than Ryan right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 And that is very likely true... but my issue is that Shanahan isn't letting him command at the LOS while he gets used to the system, he is stubbornly pushing his plays. That pass that Lowery got was a prime example. I don't think that's true though. You see that as a Shanahan issue. I see it as a Ryan issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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