datchrisb1 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) 1. Improve the pass rush along the front 7 period. I would like to use Beasley like Seattle uses Irvin, SLB in base, on passing downs put him at end. I'm one who doesn't necessarily see the upside of bringing Irvin in. Not saying that I out right disagree, I guess I'm just not as excited as most. Would rather have a Vinny Curry for the same price. 2. Improve the speed and athleticism at the linebacker level. 3. At the very least add competition along the O-line. We have some decent guys and they play great as a unit, but competition breeds excellence. I don't see this as such a pressing issue as the D-line but at the very least adding more talent along the interior O-line will go a long way.Let Go:Chris Chester OG, Kroy Biermann DE, Joplo Bartu LB, Adrian Clayborn DE/DT, Paul Worrilow LB, Jake Long OT, Bryce Harris OT, Tony MoeakiRetain:Ryan Schraeder OT, Gino Gradkowski, Philip Wheeler LB, Nathan Stupar LB, Ricardo Allen SCut:Tyson Jackson, Jon Asamoah, Devin HesterFree agent targest:1. Vinny Curry DE2. Kelechi Osemele OG3. Brandon Marshell ILB4. RayRay Armstrong OLB5. Ladarius Green TEDraft (pick 20 - 25)1. Johnathan Allen DT/DE (Alabama)- A pick devoted to affecting the QB. He can play the 3 on obvious passing downs and the 5 in our base and still be able to affect the QB. 2. Carl Nassib DE (Penn State)- We need to affect the QB on defense. Nassib is long, comfortable in space, and can rush the passer. 3. Lloyd Carrington CB/FS (Arizona State)- If you like Demarious Randell, then you will love this guy. Very versatile guy who could add the competition needed at safety and also fill a role at corner and special teams. (Only tape I could find) 4. LeRaven Clark OT (Texas Tech)- As far as athleticism, Clark has all the tools needed. He still needs to develop regarding having a stronger base, and technique namely keeping his shoulders paraellel to the LOS among other things, but he would add great depth and competition to the position. (Vs Emmanuel Ogbah) 7. Dillon Gordon TE (LSU)- He's a legit complete TE. He can run the routes needed for the position and is an immediate improvement to our running game. My personal opinion one of the most underrated players coming out, and a great value here.http://draftbreakdown.com/players/dillon-gordon/ Edited November 23, 2015 by datchrisb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I can't agree with releasing Worrilow. It just seems like your losing more than you're gaining there. You basically remade the entire LB core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I think that A'Shawn Robinson collapses the pocket as well as Allen. He is also a better run defender. We should sign a FA pass rusher. Irving makes too much sense for the SLB position. I believe that Beasley needs to stay at LEO. He needs to learn the craft and gain a little more strength. I think he is on the cusp of greatness. Green is not a bad idea. Worrilow is playing well. He is not a world-beater, but he is doing his job well. I favor drafting a Safety in the second round and a WLB (Deion Jones) in the third. But, I see your logic, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I think that A'Shawn Robinson collapses the pocket as well as Allen. He is also a better run defender.We should sign a FA pass rusher. Irving makes too much sense for the SLB position. I believe that Beasley needs to stay at LEO. He needs to learn the craft and gain a little more strength. I think he is on the cusp of greatness.Green is not a bad idea.Worrilow is playing well. He is not a world-beater, but he is doing his job well.I favor drafting a Safety in the second round and a WLB (Deion Jones) in the third. But, I see your logic, as well.I see Allen as more of a 3 than a run defender. Honestly I like him more as the opposite end to Beasley than at DT. Not looking to "improve" the running game dude, we already have the horses for that. Edited November 24, 2015 by datchrisb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I can't agree with releasing Worrilow. It just seems like your losing more than you're gaining there. You basically remade the entire LB core.Well this is also what I predict as well as what I think is best. We just went through a coaching change, the only guys on the roster right now that are "Quinn's" guys are the draft picks, and like 3 other guys. First 2 to 3 years of a coaching staff change there is always a 90-95% roster change, basically the only people left will probably be Tru, Ryan, Julio, and maybe 2 other guys at most. That standard, nothing new. Brandon Marshall and Worrilow contract will be basically the same IMO, not Jesus now I could be wrong. I like Marshall better in coverage. But I'd rather have him here than Worrilow. I only let go him and Joplo. That's not remaking the entire linebacker core. Do you really think keeping Joplo is a must do? I mean I barely see Joplo on the field aside from next man up and special teams, and Worrilow is good but not a "Oh my God we got to keep him". I just think Stupar is the better special teams player which is why I retained him. Edited November 24, 2015 by datchrisb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I think that A'Shawn Robinson collapses the pocket as well as Allen. He is also a better run defender.We should sign a FA pass rusher. Irving makes too much sense for the SLB position. I believe that Beasley needs to stay at LEO. He needs to learn the craft and gain a little more strength. I think he is on the cusp of greatness.Green is not a bad idea.Worrilow is playing well. He is not a world-beater, but he is doing his job well.I favor drafting a Safety in the second round and a WLB (Deion Jones) in the third. But, I see your logic, as well.What makes a good pass rusher to you at the DT position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm going to disagree with you that Worrilow is not a Quinn guy. All reports lead me to believe that this is a guy that Quinn wants to retain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 What makes a good pass rusher to you at the DT position? Robinson collapses the pocket, that is to say that he pushes his man (center/guard) backwards enough to affect the QB's comfort. We need a better pass rush from the outside, but the QB easily avoids the pressure by stepping up into the pocket. We need a guy that can collapse that pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 We are still 3-4 players on defense from being very good. Need another LE, DT, LB, and SS. On offense we need another Center, RG, TE, and WR. We are going to have to make our FA signings count because we will probably only get 3 possible starters from the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Nice draft. I like attacking the DL strong again. Creates more depth, versatility, and brings pressure from more spots on the line without having to rely on substitutions. Not a fan of Clark. I'd rather us keep Jake Long one more year and take a guy like Evan Broehm to give us a real center with upside. In this scenario, we're still relying on Stone or Person and that's worse than our OT depth situation. I think that would be a stronger OL. Also think letting Clayborn is a bad pre-draft move. He'd at least be back in TC for comp purposes if I could swing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Robinson collapses the pocket, that is to say that he pushes his man (center/guard) backwards enough to affect the QB's comfort.We need a better pass rush from the outside, but the QB easily avoids the pressure by stepping up into the pocket. We need a guy that can collapse that pocket.No, the QB doesn't always "step up in the pocket", go watch the tape, we are "collapsing the pocket", once we collapse the pocket we are not beating the guy in front of us, aka getting off blocks. YOU SERIOUSLY THINK A TEAM RANKED 3RD IN RUN DEFENSE HAS A PROBLEM COLLAPSING THE POCKET. The DTs are already driving there guys back into the QB, but driving a guy back into the QB and being able to get off the blocks is one thing. Beasley needs some time to learn to win on the outside, but seriously we are losing on the outsides. We already have that dude. It's like this, as far as a pass rusher, you want an up field guy, a Gerald McCoy, Geno Adkins, those type of guys, that's what you want in the middle. It's the style and play. Fast first then physical, Quinn wants fast and physical not because it's nice to say, but because fast first then violent players up front are the type that affect the QB the most. Robinson is just a younger Paul Soliai. Not interested.... Edited November 24, 2015 by datchrisb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I just think as far as affecting the passer between all of the Alabama D lineman, Allen is the better pick. If we had problems in the run game, then yeah Robinson would be a better pick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm going to disagree with you that Worrilow is not a Quinn guy. All reports lead me to believe that this is a guy that Quinn wants to retain.Good point... I do hear a lot of praise from Quinn about Worrilow. It's a good chance he will get retained, I was just thinking Marshall is a better pass coverage guy in the middle. I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he's here next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) http://draftbreakdown.com/video/ashawn-robinson-vs-lsu-2015/http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jonathan-allen-vs-lsu-2015/Same game Allen is receiving the most attention and is still more effective in my opinion. But that's just me. Edited November 24, 2015 by datchrisb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I like Nassib.Allen doesnt do it for me. He takes plays off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown bomber Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 No, the QB doesn't always "step up in the pocket", go watch the tape, we are "collapsing the pocket", once we collapse the pocket we are not beating the guy in front of us, aka getting off blocks. YOU SERIOUSLY THINK A TEAM RANKED 3RD IN RUN DEFENSE HAS A PROBLEM COLLAPSING THE POCKET. The DTs are already driving there guys back into the QB, but driving a guy back into the QB and being able to get off the blocks is one thing. Beasley needs some time to learn to win on the outside, but seriously we are losing on the outsides. We already have that dude. It's like this, as far as a pass rusher, you want an up field guy, a Gerald McCoy, Geno Adkins, those type of guys, that's what you want in the middle. It's the style and play. Fast first then physical, Quinn wants fast and physical not because it's nice to say, but because fast first then violent players up front are the type that affect the QB the most. Robinson is just a younger Paul Soliai. Not interested....I agree. We are good stopping the run, which all the Bama D-linemen are good at. But we need to get after the QB. If I did get one of them it would be Allen. But the guy I want is Billings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datchrisb1 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 REDO....Let go: Chris Chester OG, Kroy Biermann DE, Joplo Bartu LB, Adrian Clayborn DE/DT, Jake Long OT, Bryce Harris OT, Tony Moeaki TE, Nathan Stupar LBResign: Ryan Schraeder OT, Gino Gradkowski OC, Philip Wheeler LB, Ricardo Allen S, Paul Worrilow LBFree Agent Targets:1. Vinny Curry DE2. Derek Wolfe DE/DT3. Kelechi Osemele OG4. Ladarius Green TEDraft:1. Sua Craven OLB (USC)- coverage linebacker2. Carl Nassib DE (Penn State)- depth on D-line, and pass rusher3. Lloyd Carrington FS/CB (Arizona)- very underrated player depth at corner, competition at safety4. Luther Maddy DT (Virginia Tech)- 3 technique, pass rusher in the middle7. Dillon Gordon TE (LSU)- very underrated, above average run blocker, and can run all the routes needed in our system. A complete TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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