bdog 29 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 All season the fans have been calling for us to use Roddy more. The calls became deafening enough that our coaches were asked about it in press conferences. Shanahan basically responded by saying he's all about forcing it to Julio and that Roddy isn't what he used to be. So what does he do on the first few plays of the game? Force it to Roddy. That whole sequence was just Shanahan basically saying, "This is what you wanted right?" We didn't mix in the running game or even target other guys and for someone who's been so enamored with Julio, I don't think this is a coincidence. What really drives this home to me is the fact that once again, we barely looked for Roddy after those first 3 plays. If those plays were indicative of Shanahan trying to better integrate Roddy into the offense, he would have gotten looks throughout the game. Instead, it was more forcing things to Julio and trying to make skillet hands Hankerson look like a legit receiver.Dan Quinn looks like he'll be a decent head coach but hiring Shanahan was a terrible decision which looks even worse now. That level of arrogance shouldn't be tolerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Mindreaders are the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since68andcounting Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah, it seems even more pointed in the fact that in most WCO's the first 10 plays or so are scripted. Not sure about us, but pretty $h1tty thing to do imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Flare Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 We got Roddy 9 targets yesterday. He caught 4 balls. Are y'all mad that he got the targets everyone said he should get and didn't produce? Is Shanahan a jackass because Ryan threw the ball to Roddy on several plays, including the 1st 3? We also got no huddle. It wasn't any better. We moved the ball best running up tempo from the huddle.Maybe the fans aren't as smart as they think they are and Shanahan can't make the players produce in any system, regardless of targets or no huddle or whatever. Turnovers lost that game yesterday. We moved the ball well for the most part until the 4th quarter, when it looked like the entire offense went into hibernation (and no, not because the scheme was bad -- Shanahan schemed Hankerson wide open, Ryan hit him, and he dropped it, and Shanahan schemed Julio wide open and Ryan threw the ball at the hot dog vendor in the 3rd row). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I said the exact same thing. screw this dude. we don't have time for this garbage. they're playing games with my team, and the fans. I don't know that I've ever felt this frustrated, and that says alot considering the past we've suffered. and the fact we're still above .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 "Shanahan is an idiot -- he needs to get Roddy the ball."(Shanahan gets Roddy the ball)"Shanahan is an ***hole for getting Roddy the ball -- he was just trying to mess with our heads."Do any of you read what you write and think "wow, that sounds really dumb?" My guess is you think Shanahan's the dumb one. Me, I think it's the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 We got Roddy 9 targets yesterday. He caught 4 balls. Are y'all mad that he got the targets everyone said he should get and didn't produce? Is Shanahan a jackass because Ryan threw the ball to Roddy on several plays, including the 1st 3? We also got no huddle. It wasn't any better. We moved the ball best running up tempo from the huddle.Maybe the fans aren't as smart as they think they are and Shanahan can't make the players produce in any system, regardless of targets or no huddle or whatever. Turnovers lost that game yesterday. We moved the ball well for the most part until the 4th quarter, when it looked like the entire offense went into hibernation (and no, not because the scheme was bad -- Shanahan schemed Hankerson wide open, Ryan hit him, and he dropped it, and Shanahan schemed Julio wide open and Ryan threw the ball at the hot dog vendor in the 3rd row).when has anyone demanded ryan force the ball to roddy three straight attempts on the opening drive. the criticism is coming from roddy being ignored as the game progresses as he gets less and less attention from the defense, so many opportunities were ignored. no one wants roddy to be the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 when has anyone demanded ryan force the ball to roddy three straight attempts on the opening drive. the criticism is coming from roddy being ignored as the game progresses as he gets less and less attention from the defense, so many opportunities were ignored. no one wants roddy to be the guy. You're talking about 3 plays. He got 9 targets.What did he do with the other 6? He caught half of them. Maybe y'all are just wrong about how awesomely open Roddy always is. Maybe he's just not a very good receiver any more. And I'm a huge Roddy White fan, I'm just saying you all want to have your cake and eat it too. No matter what Shanahan does, he's always wrong. Even if he does exactly what y'all say he should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since68andcounting Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 "Shanahan is an idiot -- he needs to get Roddy the ball."(Shanahan gets Roddy the ball)"Shanahan is an ***hole for getting Roddy the ball -- he was just trying to mess with our heads."Do any of you read what you write and think "wow, that sounds really dumb?" My guess is you think Shanahan's the dumb one. Me, I think it's the other way around.Most people never said we should FORCE the ball to Roddy. Which is what happened. That's no different than forcing it to Julio. You read the routes and throw to the OPEN man. Not the guy with the "1" on the squiggly line in the playbook. How freaking hard is that to figure out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You're talking about 3 plays. He got 9 targets.What did he do with the other 6? He caught half of them. Maybe y'all are just wrong about how awesomely open Roddy always is. Maybe he's just not a very good receiver any more. And I'm a huge Roddy White fan, I'm just saying you all want to have your cake and eat it too. No matter what Shanahan does, he's always wrong. Even if he does exactly what y'all say he should do.Yea those videos and pictures of roddy bring open must have been photoshopped lol. roddy isn't half as good as he once was. he isn't going to win many match ups, but when he's open he's open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krammmit Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 This is stupid! None of the fans complained because we weren't "forcing" the ball to Roddy. We are mad when we force it to Julio while Roddy is wide open. If Roddy is not open do not throw it to him. You know when you should throw it to him? When Julio is triple covered and it's 3rd and 11. Oh ****, we did. We got a first down out of it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yea those videos and pictures of roddy bring open must have been photoshopped lol. roddy isn't half as good as he once was. he isn't going to win many match ups, but when he's open he's open. And when he's targeted, he catches less than half the passes thrown his way. Y'all got what you wanted. Quit crying that your solution was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdog 29 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 You're talking about 3 plays. He got 9 targets.What did he do with the other 6? He caught half of them. Maybe y'all are just wrong about how awesomely open Roddy always is. Maybe he's just not a very good receiver any more. And I'm a huge Roddy White fan, I'm just saying you all want to have your cake and eat it too. No matter what Shanahan does, he's always wrong. Even if he does exactly what y'all say he should do.Open your eyes. This guy ignores Roddy for a whole season, then starts a game with 3 straight passing plays where he's the first read? That's either intentional arrogance or flat out stupidity. If he really believes Roddy has fallen off like he's alluded to in the past, he wouldn't be forcing the ball to him at the beginning of the game. He just wanted to get it out of the way the let the fans know, "Hey this guy's not as good as you think he is".I'm not looking at this in a vacuum either. This is after he basically said that he doesn't care what fans think when it comes to him calling his game and that he's focused on getting Julio the ball. There's no way it's just a coincidence and you're blind if you think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Open your eyes. This guy ignores Roddy for a whole season, then starts a game with 3 straight passing plays where he's the first read? That's either intentional arrogance or flat out stupidity. If he really believes Roddy has fallen off like he's alluded to in the past, he wouldn't be forcing the ball to him at the beginning of the game. He just wanted to get it out of the way the let the fans know, "Hey this guy's not as good as you think he is".I'm not looking at this in a vacuum either. This is after he basically said that he doesn't care what fans think when it comes to him calling his game and that he's focused on getting Julio the ball. There's no way it's just a coincidence and you're blind if you think it is.Roddy could have caught the two he dropped. So there's that.I'm not hating on Roddy White either. I just find it beyond ridiculous that people cry for him to get more targets, he does, and does exactly jack **** with them, and y'all blame the OC for getting him more looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdog 29 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Roddy could have caught the two he dropped. So there's that.I'm not hating on Roddy White either. I just find it beyond ridiculous that people cry for him to get more targets, he does, and does exactly jack **** with them, and y'all blame the OC for getting him more looks.By the same token, some of the passes were just defensed really well. And you're missing the big picture here. Even if Shanahan was completely sincere and wanted to get Roddy the ball, that's a terrible gameplan. People's issues were that we were forcing the ball to Julio when Roddy was open. I don't think anyone was advocating that we flip that and force the ball to Roddy no matter what and that's what happened on those first few plays. A good offense spreads the ball around, like we did under Dirk Koetter. If Shanahan can't designs plays that make manage to get multiple reads open then he's just not a good coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I had that feeling, "hey let's get Roddy outta the way the first series to shut people up"...I can't and never will prove that, but when is the last time we saw that and not start running the ball? Really now...think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmo_dlo Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Or maybe he wanted to set things straight with Roddy and the team that he's important in the game plan. And IIRC Roddy was the second or third read on one of those throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 By the same token, some of the passes were just defensed really well. And you're missing the big picture here. Even if Shanahan was completely sincere and wanted to get Roddy the ball, that's a terrible gameplan. People's issues were that we were forcing the ball to Julio when Roddy was open. I don't think anyone was advocating that we flip that and force the ball to Roddy no matter what and that's what happened on those first few plays. A good offense spreads the ball around, like we did under Dirk Koetter. If Shanahan can't designs plays that make manage to get multiple reads open then he's just not a good coach.I'm assuming you watched the game carefully. Did you notice how in that first series we hit Roddy 3 times and went 3-out?Did you then notice how they came out in 21 personnel running the football with Freeman until he got hurt?Then we came out and did some hurry up from the huddle?WCO coordinators script the first 15-20 plays of the game for a reason. The most likely explanation for all of those series is they were trying to gauge how the defense was going to defend them and adjust accordingly. Because that's what every other WCO coordinator in the history of the NFL does every single game.If anyone REALLY thinks that was Kyle Shanahan giving the middle finger to the fans, well, I'll just say again that that's really dumb, but I don't think he's the dumb one. Anyone who thinks an NFL offensive coordinator gives a flying rip what the fans think about who gets targets is being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since68andcounting Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Roddy could have caught the two he dropped. So there's that.I'm not hating on Roddy White either. I just find it beyond ridiculous that people cry for him to get more targets, he does, and does exactly jack **** with them, and y'all blame the OC for getting him more looks.He made a heck of a clutch 3rd down catch yesterday on a ball that was thrown waaaay behind him. The INT was high and hard. Would Gonzo have caught it? Probably. Would Roddy 3 years ago? Maybe. But that's not a given catch for any receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He made a heck of a clutch 3rd down catch yesterday on a ball that was thrown waaaay behind him. The INT was high and hard. Would Gonzo have caught it? Probably. Would Roddy 3 years ago? Maybe. But that's not a given catch for any receiver.I'm not saying he can never catch a pass. I'm saying he is inconsistent. Like most everyone else on the offense right now except Julio, and even Julio has had some drops (I'm not talking about the one yesterday in the 4th quarter, BTW). Yesterday, with 9 targets, he caught less than half of them. That's not an indication that he ought to be moving up in our gameplans. I love the dude, but he's not getting it done right now. He's not alone in that, but the idea that targeting Roddy more was going to cure our ills is demonstrably false. We did, it didn't. Not targeting him is the least of our concerns on offense right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Brian Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Another classic example of certain members changing the script to fit the narrative lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 lol, You gotta hand it to Shanahan man...he's a slick one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I thought Ryan called the plays in the no huddle? We opened in the no huddle and multiple posters here said we needed to go no huddle and let Ryan call the plays since that works. Now suddenly it's not that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I thought Ryan called the plays in the no huddle? We opened in the no huddle and multiple posters here said we needed to go no huddle and let Ryan call the plays since that works. Now suddenly it's not that. I said this a couple of weeks ago, and it's still true. For those who don't like Shanahan, the problem will ALWAYS be Shanahan. No matter what he does, no matter whether it works or not, he'll be the reason for any struggles we have.Same with Ryan -- for people who don't like Ryan, no explanation will do. Herr Beast just told me in another thread that being a top 10 QB means nothing. Okay.For people who don't like Dimitroff, everything will always be his fault.That's why the place is a cesspool. Instead of thinking rationally about what's going on, people want to blame someone. And it's usually just one person, which is why the arguments end up looking so ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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